TMNT Volume 5?

[oldmanwinters]

Maybe the Regenta is the kind of creature that eats most of her babies and only three hatchlings survived throughout infancy?

[PurpleMusic]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

Maybe the Regenta is the kind of creature that eats most of her babies and only three hatchlings survived throughout infancy?

haha, I could actually see that playing out. I like this whole train of thought of making up the rest of the story

[ToTheNines]

It's cool that Jim was so passionate about it, and it's a great piece but most of that is really stupid. Mainly Splinter coming back.

And yeah I seem to remember everyone agreed she was lying about those eggs being Mike's. And I know it's fiction but really... a Mutated earth turtle reproducing with an alien dinosaur? I don't think so.

[bushido]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

And yeah I seem to remember everyone agreed she was lying about those eggs being Mike's. And I know it's fiction but really... a Mutated earth turtle reproducing with an alien dinosaur? I don't think so.

Mickey's reaction :

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Tazi

Well, it wouldn't be such a big thing, if the comic were getting released at normal speed instead of 1 issue per two year. "Splinter's" death just happened a few issues ago, and I'm sure PL has a reason for doing this "fake death" storyline. I just hope that one day we will know what it is...

Splinter died in issue 10. The last issue released was #32.

Splinter's death was far more than "a few issues ago." Try over 20 issues ago.

[Tazi]

Oh wow, I thought it was less time ago...
But still 20 issues for an average comic book would be less then 2 years, but it was 11 years for TMNT.

[spookycookies]

I like seeing Mikey with his brothers. I really hate how Mirage just leaves him in space and everyone sort of wondering what happened to him. Probably the most tragic thing that happened to any of the TMNT. I think out of all of them though, that Mikey would be the best suited to be a father later in life and I think that legitimate or not he would attempt to raise those kids as his own.

Volume 4 and Tales 2 paint a really bleak future for the TMNT but the concept that the family wouldn't end with the Turtles themselves really is more hopeful than them leaving their legacy to Shadow alone. Mikey's son wanting to be a Jedi seems right too.

[Chris]

Brilliant.

I hope that Peter Laird still finishes the series one day, but if not then at least this gives us some sort of closure.

Oh, and I totally want a Volume 5 by Lawson & Berger now!

[CyberCubed]

There won't be an actual canon published Volume 5, my guess is Jim will just draw various art based on ideas he would have had for a proposed volume, like now.

Mirage won't publish Volume 5 (PL can't even be bothered to finish 4), and IDW wouldn't either.

[Chris]

I know

Doesn't stop me wanting it though

[rwg22]

Greetings Everyone, my name is Robert and my father and I commissioned Mr. Lawson to do this drawing. Having talked with Mr. Lawson I would like to say on the topic of Splinter, he was not dead, at least not the original Splinter. As was revealed in the last issue of TMNT, Donnie revealed that Splinter's DNA did not match up with that of their father; and if more comics were to come this would have been revealed for better or for worse. In the case of Mikey, I agree with Mr. Lawson that Mikey probably would be battling with some PTSD like symptoms after everything he went through while in space.
Now I would like to say, like many fellow Shellheads would probably agree, that Mr. Laird will probably never finish TMNT, but that just my own opinion and I would prefer to be wrong. with that said my father and I, and I'm sure others would agree, that we would like some kind of closer; its true that we have the IDW turtles but they are not the original Mirage turtles that have continued since issue 1 of vol 1 all those years ago.
In my mind only Mrs's Laird or Lawson were up to par to end the series, since they have been working steady since vol 2 together and knowing that I could never convince Mr. Laird to do a commision I contacted Mr. Lawson and after about 5 months he agreed. Not everyone will like it but it was my hope that it would atleast give closer to myself and to those who have been reading the series all these years.
Thank You, -Robert

[Xav]

So what did you tell him to draw? Like how much of it is your idea and how much is his?

[Peter Palmer]

2 Things:

1) Great commission! I've never seen a commission that prompted this kind of discussion. Whether you like it or not, the piece is very interesting and thought-provoking for readers of Volume 4. This speaks to Jim Lawson's ability as an artist.

2) If Image is considered Volume 3, why wouldn't IDW's series be considered Volume 5? Both volumes exist outside of Mirage continuity and are published by different companies? I figure Jim doesn't pay much mind to the IDW books, but I saw people here continually refer to a hypothetical Volume 5 when we're already 30+ issues deep into one. Just curious.

[mrmaczaps]

I would say its because initially Image's run was wanted to be "the next step" and follow along from volume two and it was always tagged as volume three. Only after (or during?) it was not well liked (at least by Peter, from what I've read) and considered non canon.

IDW started as an entirely self contained new ball game... I've seen other folks on here refer to it as volume five but I would not consider it as such myself.

And then, if Peter ever catches some inspiration and finishes volume four, he technically could still do more and have a Mirage volume five. (One can hope... More Mirage Universe anyways...)

Make sense?

[Peter Palmer]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

Make sense?

Not really...

So you're saying the difference is initial intent? That seems a little flimsy to me. So because Volume 3 intended to continue the story from Volume 2 (unsuccessfully in the eyes of Peter Laird) and IDW intended to take the story in a different direction, that's the reason Image counts as volume 3 and IDW is not volume 5? In the end, volume 4 ignored the events of Image's run. I would assume that if Laird or Lawson or anyone wanted to continue the stories beyond a conclusion to Volume 4, they would ignore the events of IDW's run. Agreed?

I'm just trying to understand. The way I see this working out in a perfect world would be for Volume 4 to be renamed as Volume 3 and Image's run on the title to no longer carry the "Volume 3" moniker. This would mean that volumes 1-3 would form one cohesive story and Image and IDW would not be considered in the "volume" naming convention.

Of course, this isn't going to happen as, like you said, Image's run has be called "Volume 3" since the beginning. Rather than muddy the waters, I think consistency should win out and IDW should continue the pattern and be labeled as Volume 5. Just my personal opinion, of course.

I do like that the Mirage site calls the Image books "Volume 3" with quotation marks fully intact. It makes be believe they're not fully on board with the naming either.

[CyberCubed]

IDW isn't Volume 5 because its an all-new series. Image was originally written as a canon part of Mirage universe.

[Joey Kamikaze]

If you're going to start trying to call non-Mirage continuity stuff "Volume This or That" then you're going to have to account for TMNTA in there too.

But nope, TMNTA and TMNT IDW are their own things, not numbered volumes in line with the original universe.

[Peter Palmer]

Originally Posted by Joey Kamikaze

If you're going to start trying to call non-Mirage continuity stuff "Volume This or That" then you're going to have to account for TMNTA in there too.

But nope, TMNTA and TMNT IDW are their own things, not numbered volumes in line with the original universe.

Not necessarily. The distinction is that the titles are different even if the core characters are the same. Same goes with Tales of the TMNT, Times Pipeline, Turtle Soup...none of them are considered a volume of TMNT because the title of the book is not "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" (or just TMNT in the case of Volume 4).

Thinking more critically, you'll remember that many of the stories that take place within volume 1 do not exist in the Mirage continuity. Many of those stories were treated as if they never happened in later stories yet they still count as "Volume 1". Why? Mirage continuity or not, the book was titled "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles". The same logic applies to the Image & IDW series'.

[CyberCubed]

What is so difficult to understand? If its not about the Mirage Turtles it shouldn't be considered a "volume" which is why IDW and Archie are not.

Tales of the TMNT was a companion book, along with all those one-shot specials and mini-series. It doesn't matter which issues are canon or not, they were all in the Mirage universe.

IDW and Archie are completely separate, neither one would be a Volume 5

[Powder]

Cubed's got it. To think otherwise is silly.