Things you do not want to see return but everyone else is yearning/hype for

[Luckyday]

I know. Confusing wordy title but basically, tell me what stuff from the past of the franchise or mythos that are universally beloved by fans, who are really yearning to see them return in this show, but you other the hand or not only indifferent towards but really oppose to ever seeing them on screen.

I really don't want a nick tmnt version of "Sons of the Silent Age". I know this tmnt can handle disturbing, and maybe even emotional scenes (I guess but that's for another debate) but by god, subtlety and depth is not their strong suit.

Plus, it also one of the few things that I want to be done exactly like the comic. Dialogue, scene shots, the raw acting delivery talent 100% and even down to value of the lighting. I'm seriously not joking. Everything has to be execute just right which weird, because I'm usually very support of them doing their own thing. Characters like Rat King, Karai, Bebop and Rocksteady, and etc but seriously they should never try to do "Sons of the Silent Age". They will drop the ball so hard that it will permanently leave a huge crater in the quality of the entire show.

[Creativemind]

Venus the fifth turtle from Next Mutation. Never again.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

In before the 2k14 haters!

Honestly, up until we first heard about IDW's latest miniseries, I would've said the Mutanimals or anything tying back to the Archie series.

But I still stand strong: NO CUDLEY THE COWLICK. Was that Steve Murphy's creation? Whoever it was, I take Cudley as proof that somebody on the TMNT staff experimented with LSD, bath-salts, and ketracel-white.

Oh, and I'm gonna add Ninjara to that as well. Alopex, sure... Ninjara, nope.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by Creativemind

Venus the fifth turtle from Next Mutation. Never again.

I mean stuff that universally beloved by all fans.

[Creativemind]

Originally Posted by Luckyday

I mean stuff that universally beloved by all fans.

Yeah? Well I've seen quite a few fans of her on this site. I didn't even know there were any fans until I joined this site.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Honestly, I think this thread could be moved to General TMNT, as Nick and IDW both are mining that which has gone before for new stories, and even 2k14 might could be said (or rather, hoped) to do the same.

[neatoman]

I don't want to see a bigger crossover with the Fred Wolf Turtles, I'm mostly fine with them bringing back elements of that era but I felt those two clips in the Wormquake 2-parter crossed the line a bit. Turtles Forever was fine because it was the ending to the 4Kids series and let's remember, the 4Kids series had as few elements from the Fred Wolf series as possible in it's entire seven season run, so having it return for that special only made it a bit more special.

[Powder]

There's a chunk of people crying over Irma, wanting her to be brought back (presumably with the idea being that she was not a robot but rather kidnapped, & used as the basis for a robot) & I'm really against that. What's done is done. Don't appease the whiners.

I've also seen a few clamoring for Ninjara, Mona Lisa, & Alopex, but I'd rather they create their own female mutants or choose those who have less of a Deviantart furry following.

[Cure]

Originally Posted by Powder

There's a chunk of people crying over Irma, wanting her to be brought back (presumably with the idea being that she was not a robot but rather kidnapped, & used as the basis for a robot) & I'm really against that. What's done is done. Don't appease the whiners.

I've also seen a few clamoring for Ninjara, Mona Lisa, & Alopex, but I'd rather they create their own female mutants or choose those who have less of a Deviantart furry following.

I agree with both points.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Powder

I've also seen a few clamoring for Ninjara, Mona Lisa, & Alopex, but I'd rather they create their own female mutants or choose those who have less of a Deviantart furry following.

Amen, brother!

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by neatoman

I don't want to see a bigger crossover with the Fred Wolf Turtles, I'm mostly fine with them bringing back elements of that era but I felt those two clips in the Wormquake 2-parter crossed the line a bit. Turtles Forever was fine because it was the ending to the 4Kids series and let's remember, the 4Kids series had as few elements from the Fred Wolf series as possible in it's entire seven season run, so having it return for that special only made it a bit more special.

well Turtles Forever sucked because they couldn't get the OG voice actors to play the fred wolf turtles. Not to mention Turtles forever basically made fun of the Fred Wolf turtles in some aspects.

Its going to be awesome having the actual voice actors this time around.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by Powder

There's a chunk of people crying over Irma, wanting her to be brought back (presumably with the idea being that she was not a robot but rather kidnapped, & used as the basis for a robot)

There was that episode of the OT where Irma was kidnapped by the Foot Clan and replaced with a robot that was programmed to hunt down and destroy the Turtles. But as we already knew that Irma was a fake and the show was played for laughs the it played to be fairly obvious that Irma was not human.

In this current version Irma didn't start asking about April's secret friends until Pizza Face. So maybe that unknown thing that grabbed her in Rat's and Men which we assumed to be one of the Rat King's Hench-Rat's may have been something else.

The Irma-Bot in this version is a more competent substitute for Irma because it was meant to throw us for a loop that she was actually Kraang Sub-Prime.

[IndigoErth]

Not all that much really, I've been kinda "meh" on the idea of some of the side characters showing up, such as the frogs, but they turned out ok.

Much of the additional characters just never impressed me much. Just hope Renet and Mondo aren't annoying. Esp the latter sine he's in the new opening so guess he may be sticking around a while.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by Powder

There's a chunk of people crying over Irma, wanting her to be brought back (presumably with the idea being that she was not a robot but rather kidnapped, & used as the basis for a robot) & I'm really against that. What's done is done. Don't appease the whiners.

I've also seen a few clamoring for Ninjara, Mona Lisa, & Alopex, but I'd rather they create their own female mutants or choose those who have less of a Deviantart furry following.

Most characters at this point are re-imagine and changed to fit in this universe so I don't mind so much as long they do something interesting with them. If they shown for the sake of fan service like Irma or setting as just a love interest then they don't serve any real purpose in terms of story or even character dynamic or least not to me.

I know I sound a little jaded when comes to romance but unless rating goes to PG so that it can be used for character development like Adventure Time or maybe put in the background rather then the focus like season 3 of Korra then..yeah go for it but with the way writing is in this show then NO! Oh god no. Please just focus on the story.

It would be nice to see more OCs like Fishface. I guess there are female mutant characters but I honestly want human or talking mutant characters if that makes sense.

Then again monster female mutants are interesting because they are often not weigh down by female tropes.

[pennydreadful]

I know everyone seems to get really excited any time we get a hint of anything crossover related, but I'm not into it. It was fine in Turtles Forever, I like Turtles Forever just fine... but I don't want to keep seeing it over and over again. Leave it as a one-off thing. I've got zero interest in seeing reoccurring crossover stuff in the Nick series.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

well Turtles Forever sucked because they couldn't get the OG voice actors to play the fred wolf turtles. Not to mention Turtles forever basically made fun of the Fred Wolf turtles in some aspects.

Its going to be awesome having the actual voice actors this time around.

I have never felt it to be uncalled for the way the Fred Wolf Turtles were potrayed in that movie.

Yes it is somewhat inaccurate to show them as incapable of taking the situation seriously, but the point was that they came from a universe in which they always won, never suffered any losses, any attack could be repelled the day it arose, the ultimate weapon in the universe could be stopped eight times, they faced absurd scenarios all the time like anti-mutagen cookies and they constantly made jokes even in serious situations.


The point was to show a satirical comparison, the Fred Wolf Turtles weren't able to take anything seriously because statistically, why would they? They came out on top 100% of the time! If they were shown to take the situation more seriously it would have been more accurate, so much I agree with but then the satirical comparison between an episodic 80's/90's cartoon and a serialised 00's cartoon would have been lost and then what would the point of the crossover have been? What would a more accurate FW depiction interacting with the 4Kids Turtles have looked like? A slightly goofier but mostly similar team of Turtles show up to help? That's pointless!

As for the voice actors? I guess that sucks but it doesn't really distract from anything.

Spoiler:

Also, based on how they were written in Wormquake, I seriously doubt the Nick crew wouldn't make fun of the FW Turtles.

"Why do we look like... Dorks?"

Spoiler:

Another example, Tiger Claw totally kicked their asses on his way back to the Nickverse.

Spoiler:

And... Well let's face it, the Fred Wolf Turtles are pretty easy to make fun of.

[Metalwolf]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

well Turtles Forever sucked because they couldn't get the OG voice actors to play the fred wolf turtles. Not to mention Turtles forever basically made fun of the Fred Wolf turtles in some aspects.

Its going to be awesome having the actual voice actors this time around.

I don't think they are worried about the having the original voice actors this time, I think it is more that there are some of us that are simply getting bored of the heavy OT references in what is supposed to be a new iteration. I know there are a bunch of other fans on here that that want it, but to us, it's just... boring. I would even say that there are some of us that are distinctly not happy about it, because it's the once-every-ten-years chance of seeing some new Turtle adventures on-screen, but instead you get a bunch of 30+ years old folks wanting the writers to re-enact the OT all over again (even some of the flaws too.)

It's hard not to get a little pissed, honestly, because it's not that it's having homages that are the problem, it's that people are starting to demand them at the expense of having something original instead.

I don't want to see the OT make (another) cameo. Knowing that they are already going to do that makes me hold this show as high as I used to. I know the writers are trying to cater to (some of) the fans, but I'd rather they took the time to create something original instead. Make the Turtles do something we've never seen before, heck, have the four old voice actors do a set of four 'good guy' Triceratons in semi-OT voices. Something quirky and cute, but not to the point of people looking like they can't let go of the glories of their childhoods.

Originally Posted by pennydreadful

I know everyone seems to get really excited any time we get a hint of anything crossover related, but I'm not into it. It was fine in Turtles Forever, I like Turtles Forever just fine... but I don't want to keep seeing it over and over again. Leave it as a one-off thing. I've got zero interest in seeing reoccurring crossover stuff in the Nick series.

Same here, and it's pretty much why I kind of protest against it now. I didn't mind it in Turtles Forever, but I just don't care to see it happening over and over again like it appears some on here want. One time is fine, but more then that starts looking too unoriginal.

[BubblyShell22]

I agree about Irma. I never cared about her that much, so if we never see her again, I'll be fine with that.

[Ninturtle]

Originally Posted by neatoman

I have never felt it to be uncalled for the way the Fred Wolf Turtles were potrayed in that movie.

Yes it is somewhat inaccurate to show them as incapable of taking the situation seriously, but the point was that they came from a universe in which they always won, never suffered any losses, any attack could be repelled the day it arose, the ultimate weapon in the universe could be stopped eight times, they faced absurd scenarios all the time like anti-mutagen cookies and they constantly made jokes even in serious situations.


The point was to show a satirical comparison, the Fred Wolf Turtles weren't able to take anything seriously because statistically, why would they? They came out on top 100% of the time! If they were shown to take the situation more seriously it would have been more accurate, so much I agree with but then the satirical comparison between an episodic 80's/90's cartoon and a serialised 00's cartoon would have been lost and then what would the point of the crossover have been? What would a more accurate FW depiction interacting with the 4Kids Turtles have looked like? A slightly goofier but mostly similar team of Turtles show up to help? That's pointless!

As for the voice actors? I guess that sucks but it doesn't really distract from anything.

Spoiler:

Also, based on how they were written in Wormquake, I seriously doubt the Nick crew wouldn't make fun of the FW Turtles.

"Why do we look like... Dorks?"

Spoiler:

Another example, Tiger Claw totally kicked their asses on his way back to the Nickverse.

Spoiler:

And... Well let's face it, the Fred Wolf Turtles are pretty easy to make fun of.

How does Tiger Claw beating the OT turtles disrespect to OT turtles. Tiger Claw beat the Nick turtles in that same episode.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Ninturtle

How does Tiger Claw beating the OT turtles disrespect to OT turtles. Tiger Claw beat the Nick turtles in that same episode.

Yes but he carried out a vendetta against the Nick Turtles, the FW Turtles were just a stepping stone.