Bebop and Rocksteady Discussion Thread

[pennydreadful]

Originally Posted by bushido

Am I the only one to think they suck and are overrated ?

You're not alone in this. I won't deny that they're the most iconic and memorable of most of the mutant rogue's gallery, but I don't understand the love for them - I view them as dumb muscle. Not hating, I just don't understand why some fans think that they need to be included in every incarnation in the franchise. I don't find them all that interesting.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by pennydreadful

You're not alone in this. I won't deny that they're the most iconic and memorable of most of the mutant rogue's gallery, but I don't understand the love for them - I view them as dumb muscle. Not hating, I just don't understand why some fans think that they need to be included in every incarnation in the franchise. I don't find them all that interesting.

Originally Posted by turtlefanforever

So iconic! But kinda wish they stayed solely in the OT and TF movie

All this, man. Def love the guys but I love them as things of the past. I don't like that they've been brought back in all the new versions (I say all because they've been confirmed for the second film). I mean, they work in their respective series, they look cool & all that stuff, but I just resent them & their inclusion because they're skeleton characters who typically only return for the sole purpose of appeasing casuals.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

Yeah, IDW's version of them isn't too bad. But I never liked their characterisation in the 87 show, which would be the only reason anybody would be super attached to them as characters. I liked their designs, but I never understood why so many people went crazy for two dumbass villains.

Bumbling henchmen villains are staples of kids cartoons back then. Same with Team Rocket in Pokemon. You don't see much of this anymore because times have changed, but it was very common in the 80's and 90's.

Also I find a lot of their dialogue in the OT to be very funny depending on which episode it is.

[Xav]

But that's the thing it's not the 80's or 90's anymore. So I don't get why people are demanding that Shredder have bumbling henchmen.

[Jester]

Would it be too ridiculous to say.....

"This thread needs to be locked...."

Ok....title changed to something a little less Cybercubed-esque.

[THGhost]

Erm... duh? Was there ever any doubt?

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Jester

Ok....title changed to something a little less Cybercubed-esque.

Aw, you changed the title to make it more neutral. I liked my title better because I was stating my opinion as fact. I enjoy doing that.

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Aw, you changed the title to make it more neutral. I liked my title better because I was stating my opinion as fact. I enjoy doing that.

We've noticed.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Aw, you changed the title to make it more neutral. I liked my title better because I was stating my opinion as fact. I enjoy doing that.

How very- Cubed of you. (Well, at least he's staying in character....)

I dunno, I always loved those two for the very reasons so many DON'T like them- their incompetence, their brutality, even their personalities. Sure, they were bumbling idiots, and little more than hired muscle, but they were FUN, and the lack of detailed background made it easy to imagine your own history for the pair. They were a bit like the Abbott and Costello of TMNT, which made them more interesting and enjoyable than most of the other mutant villains who have followed them.

[PangolinFeets]

I've always liked them because they made me laugh when I was a kid. IDW reignited my love for them. Their micro is probably my favorite because they're so damn funny. I love the running gag that Rocksteady thinks a Rhino is a dinosaur and refers to himself as a 'Rhinosaurus'.

They're just fun. I'd be all over an IDW B&R spin-off series where they just go on adventures.

[Jester]

I'll say one thing...I think Archie may have been the least kind to B&R.

[Coola Yagami]

I wonder how these guys are gonna fare in the new show since they are completely different characters. In the IDW, despite being powerhouses that just won't go down they still kept their main defining feature, their stupidity.

Steranko and Anton are far from stupid. Steranko is a boss-type being forced to work for a bigger boss and Anton is just... totally out there.... but not incompetent in the same way the classic Bebop was.

Point is, Rocksteady was not a Russian weapons collector and Bebop was not a breakdancing wild and crazy funster. I personally like them this way and embrace how different they are from past incarnations, but let's see what everyone else says. I personally like Anton's crazy style, and the only reason most people don't like is cause 'that's not Bebop', but whatever. Rahzar was never a martial arts movie star either.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Jester

I'll say one thing...I think Archie may have been the least kind to B&R.

Not really. They had a happy ending after all.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Point is, Rocksteady was not a Russian weapons collector and Bebop was not a breakdancing wild and crazy funster. I personally like them this way and embrace how different they are from past incarnations, but let's see what everyone else says. I personally like Anton's crazy style, and the only reason most people don't like is cause 'that's not Bebop', but whatever. Rahzar was never a martial arts movie star either.

They're still the same characters in essence with new quirks. For all we know Rocksteady could have been Russian in the OT as well, at least they both have blonde hair. And Bebop is black with a purple mohawk and shades, so he's the same to me.

But it is a nice change that they're not just street punks for once. Even IDW kept them as street punks

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Not really. They had a happy ending after all.

True, but they ended up kinda neutering them. They became kinda "mamby-pamby" in their Archie incarnations.

[shuriken]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Point is, Rocksteady was not a Russian weapons collector and Bebop was not a breakdancing wild and crazy funster. I personally like them this way and embrace how different they are from past incarnations, but let's see what everyone else says. I personally like Anton's crazy style, and the only reason most people don't like is cause 'that's not Bebop', but whatever. Rahzar was never a martial arts movie star either.

^^ Not crazy about their redesigns and backstory changes. Same with Rahzar. But meh. Love their IDW versions as well as their OT selves. Easliy the strongest villains in terms of Brute strength at this point. Maybe a bit behind Slash.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

They're still the same characters in essence with new quirks. For all we know Rocksteady could have been Russian in the OT as well, at least they both have blonde hair. And Bebop is black with a purple mohawk and shades, so he's the same to me.

But it is a nice change that they're not just street punks for once. Even IDW kept them as street punks

I'm not talking appearance, I'm talking personality and character traits. Plus there's no way classic Rocksteady was Russian, that's really... realllllly stretching it pal. Looks aside, these are completely different characters. You can't see Steranko's episode in season 1 and straight up say 'yeah, that'd def gonna be Rocksteady'. You were probably the one arguing the most with everyone here when we were connecting the dots that Steranko was gonna be Rocksteady just because of the Russian accent.

They could have made Rahzar look exactly did he did in the movie instead of this bony mess, but it doesn't change the fact that movie Rahzar wasn't a Chuck Norris superstar.

I see people complaining about how Bebop is so skinny all over facebook. I bet they haven't even seen the Anton episodes. They're really gonna pitch a fit when Bebop starts breakdancing and firing off mohawk-shaped laser blasts.

I'm looking forward to seeing these two in action, but I know and understand that these are a whole new take on the characters. If I wanted 80's Bebop an Rocksteady in a modern setting, I'd read the IDW comics.

[senpai]

I've never been a huge fan of Rocksteady and Bebop but, for some reason, I was super hyped when I saw them finally make their debut in the '12 series. So much yes!!! I was waiting for them to show up!

[shuriken]

^^ I was kinda hoping they didn't make an appearance to be honest. I get its a different take on the characters but I dunno. Haven't seen anything past the Chimera episode so I'll wait before passing judgment.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by shuriken

^^ Not crazy about their redesigns and backstory changes. Same with Rahzar. But meh. Love their IDW versions as well as their OT selves. Easliy the strongest villains in terms of Brute strength at this point. Maybe a bit behind Slash.

Slash got taken out like a punk. That sucked.

Personally, call me a foolish optimistic, but I am excited to see what Bay's sequel next year will do with Bebop and Rocksteady. I know all of you guys hated the Turtles' designs, but I loved them. Well, except for the fact that they were stupidly large... and that Donny wore glasses because NERD.