Mikey's ADHD/ADD

[Keroscene]

Originally Posted by Amaranthus

Fat people. Amirite guise?

Not interested in ruining a thread that's mostly been on topic just for episode 2 of the Amaranthus and Friends Variety BS Hour.

But it's interesting how the same people 3 people keep jumping in on this stuff.

[DarkLightDragon]

Because you instigate them.

[CaliperCat]

From what I can recall of that episode, Mikey was witness to more of mom-thing's more questionable moments than most of the others, at least at first, so naturally he'd be more suspicious of her (thus having less to do with how perceptive he is and more to do with luck). Admittedly, I didn't much care for mom-thing either: She had this overly clingy-controlling vibe, and having known people with parents like that, that made me suspicious of her motives pretty early on. So Mikey not liking her much makes sense to me, no matter how he came about such feelings.

I could see Mikey being ADD/ADHD, and I could also see him just being that immature. I don't think Mikey is truly stupid- I think he makes several questionable decisions, but that seems more impulsive to me than just raw stupidity. Splinter pointed out that he doesn't do a whole lot of thinking, but this doesn't make him any dumber than his busier-minded brothers: It just makes him a more relaxed fellow. I can see him being slower to mature than the other turtles, though, because he does keep such an innocent, childish outlook on life, while his brothers take everything much more seriously.

I liked how it seemed as though Mikey had made great steps in maturity between seasons one and two, and I'm sorry that he seems to be regressing. I don't dislike Mikey, but he's probably my least favorite turtle in this particular version (which is odd, because I thought I was going to end up liking him the most). I wish they'd make him a bit less slapstick, with more focused humor, and that they'd focus a little more on just how much raw talent he really does have. He's my favorite turtle to watch in battle scenes, because he's just so flamboyant while also being extremely effective.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by Keroscene

You are mis-remembering the old toon MASSIVELY here. Mikey in the old toon would get enthusiastic about absolutely any old crap - magic, April being on TV, pizza, random TV shows, surfing, skating, toys, fuzzy dice... And he frequently did things that led both his brothers and the entire audience to mischaracterise him as "dumb," just as they do with 2k12 Mikey. Seriously, about 25% of Raph's jokes in the old toon are about Mikey being "the dumb one."

It's hilarious how people are talking about 2k12 Mike as if the character's never been called "dumb" before.

It doesn't count as canon just because some intern makes a remark about ADHD in promo stuff. If they'd thought it through, they would have realised that slapping a label like that on a character in a kids TV show isn't a good idea. Nonetheless, hyperactivity and lack of focus can be seen as ADHD traits, whether they're consistent or not.

For me, Nick have taken all the BEST stuff and turned it up to 11. I don't see any problem with hyperactivity, or extreme naivety, or being unconventional or not paying attention to everything that's said. These things make him entertaining and cartoons exist to provide entertainment.

They are BORING. Mikey is an after-thought in Mirage and IDW. The focus on Mirage was always on Raph and Leo and occasionally on Don. Mikey's personality in the comics was always driven by "oh we better give him something to do." He had hardly any role compared to the others.

You are not naming interesting character traits here, you are naming plot developments. And in all of these plot developments, the same role could have been easily adopted by any of the other Turtles. It could have just as easily been Raph doing all those things. Again, this was about "giving Mikey something to do."

He wrote one story in one issue and the reason people have made it into a significant character-trait is because they're scratching around for ANYTHING in the comics which suggests an actual personality. Keeping a pet is not a "trait" especially when your relationship with that pet is boring and cliched.

As for keeping the others from "sinking into despair." Look over the years, fandom has taken traits that were hardly ever evident from the comics and turned them into a big deal. It does this because admitting that Mikey isn't really a main character in the comics is unappealing. And unfortunately, fandom has been telling itself this is true for so long that they've bought into it. But Mikey does hardly anything compared to the other Turtles, who all have big arcs and comparatively complex arcs.

What the cartoons have done is to provide an actual personality in lieu of the almost-blank template presented by Mirage. And it says a lot that the character became the most iconic of the four as a result.

Um, NO, I'm not. I own about half the seasons of the OT, and watch them frequently, so my memory on the subject of Mikey (my favorite turtle, BTW) is pretty darn good- it HAS to be, as I use that show as the basis for a lot of my fic-writing! I've gone through about half the series more than once in the past year to seek out bits to "borrow" for my fics, and most of those deal with Mikey's personality or instances where he has done things on his own, or even just specific plot arcs and situations that work into what I'm currently writing. So, yeah, I'd say my memory of the OT (and 2K3, too, as I've blended ALL versions of the TMNT into my AU) is pretty clear and RECENT.

Mikey was never outright "dumb" in that series at all, and in fact, the episode "What's Michelangelo Good For" is a perfect example of why. "Funny, They Shrunk Michelangelo" is another. In both instances, he was on his own, and handled the situations in those episodes very well. I will also point out that there is a BIG difference between being enthusiastic about things one enjoys, and being "spastic" or hyper-active. He loved comics to the point he once kept reading an issue while on a mission, and was reprimanded for not helping/paying attention during that entire episode, but that has nothing to do with being ADHD, any more than someone who walks around with their nose plastered to their cell phone 24/7 does. It's the same thing. And that's not being "dumb" it's simply a case of not using one's common sense, or as another poster put it, Mikey is very spontaneous and impulsive. Impulsive behavior could certainly be MISTAKEN for being ADHD, but that in itself is no basis for being labeled as such.

The funny thing about Raph (or anyone else) calling him dumb in ANY version, is that he proves them wrong time and time again. It's part of the running humor of both those shows that Raph likes to refer to Mikey as an idiot, lame-brain, etc- all the while, Mikey continually points out things the others miss, proves to be expert in areas the others dismiss, or just ends up coming up with the absurdly brilliant ideas that save the day as often as Donnie's well-thought out schemes. So that's a ridiculous argument in the fist place, as it's patently not true. Several posters have called him immature, and I whole-heartedly agree with that, but that is NOT the same as being "dumb"!! A child prodigy can still be immature, or the most mature kid in school can still be dumber than a box of rocks- you're pulling straws here, my friend.

As for whether Nick's writers slapped the label on him or someone on the site did, it hardly matters. It's part of their site, and their "take" on the character, right or wrong. No, there's nothing wrong with immaturity or naivety, but taking it to such extremes just diminishes the character by turning him into a walking joke. No one is THAT dumb, immature, hyper, and naïve ALL the time! Even his supposedly good traits are made to be "funny", like how he licks ICK (um, REALLY??!!) unchains Leatherhead without consulting his family, or his "bad vibes" about April's mom coming seemingly out of nowhere after only just meeting her. It's absurd and ridiculous to expect anyone to act like that. Movie Mikey never did any of that kind of dumb crap. And HE was based off of Mirage and the OT!

Also, what you call "boring" is actually "deep". He was much more subdued and laid-back in Mirage, with a "come-what-may" attitude and an optimistic outlook that was rarely ever shaken. He was quieter, yes, but hardly boring. There is a short story in Tales that sums him up perfectly, and it has become one of my favorite Mikey comic stories. It's only six pages, but it beautifully shows who he is. In it, he's telling his brothers a long, complicated joke about a turtle going into a bar day after day asking if they have turtle food, only to be rebuffed by the bartender each time, until the man loses his temper and threatens to nail him to the floor. The next day, the turtle goes into the bar again, and this time asks if they have any nails. After getting the expected angry negative response, he proceeds to ask again in they have any turtle food! And over this joke, Mikey is explaining why he tells jokes, goofs off, and pulls pranks- because he believes that humor is the ultimate tool for peace. He explains that one of his role models is Charlie Chaplin, who supposedly stopped WWI for a couple of hours when one of his movies premiered, and everyone was too busy laughing in the theaters to fight. That's Mikey, right there. His quote of "Can't throw a punch, can't shoot a gun, when your gut's got a guffaw it's just got to get out. Laughter lessens war. Humor helps foster peace." and a little later- "the struggle for peace with the least resistance and the most fun. Humor is that power." Right there, we see a far deeper, more complex, and more insightful Mikey (in Mirage!) than Nick could ever BEGIN to show us. What you call "boring", I call layered.

Incidentally, IDW's Mikey could NOT be replaced in ANY of those situations, certainly not by Raph! Mikey was the FIRST to take any initiative to rescue Princess Trib, something none of the others had any interest in doing. Raph even calls it Mikey "playing hero". Which it IS, as he appears to be having his own "Star Wars" moment at that time when he sees the Stone Warriors kidnapping her. None of the others would have done that. Neither would anyone else have tried to befriend Slash by offering him a candy bar. These are not just "plot developments", they are character traits and development shown THROUGH plot points. Big difference.

As for the fandom taking traits that were "hardly evident" in the comics, it IS evident- just look at the "Tales" issues where the others are older and each has gone his own way- they are often very melancholy in narration, outside of the stories themselves. This is likely due to not having his influence around, though this is perhaps subjective- but that one issue of Tales in which he is telling the joke about the turtle shows that he keeps them laughing to bring peace and happiness into their lives, and it makes perfect sense that without his influence, they would be far more nostalgic and depressed.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by CaliperCat

From what I can recall of that episode, Mikey was witness to more of mom-thing's more questionable moments than most of the others, at least at first, so naturally he'd be more suspicious of her (thus having less to do with how perceptive he is and more to do with luck). Admittedly, I didn't much care for mom-thing either: She had this overly clingy-controlling vibe, and having known people with parents like that, that made me suspicious of her motives pretty early on. So Mikey not liking her much makes sense to me, no matter how he came about such feelings.

I could see Mikey being ADD/ADHD, and I could also see him just being that immature. I don't think Mikey is truly stupid- I think he makes several questionable decisions, but that seems more impulsive to me than just raw stupidity. Splinter pointed out that he doesn't do a whole lot of thinking, but this doesn't make him any dumber than his busier-minded brothers: It just makes him a more relaxed fellow. I can see him being slower to mature than the other turtles, though, because he does keep such an innocent, childish outlook on life, while his brothers take everything much more seriously.

I liked how it seemed as though Mikey had made great steps in maturity between seasons one and two, and I'm sorry that he seems to be regressing. I don't dislike Mikey, but he's probably my least favorite turtle in this particular version (which is odd, because I thought I was going to end up liking him the most). I wish they'd make him a bit less slapstick, with more focused humor, and that they'd focus a little more on just how much raw talent he really does have. He's my favorite turtle to watch in battle scenes, because he's just so flamboyant while also being extremely effective.

I agree with this. Also, Mikey seemed to sense something was off after looking into her eyes. Mikey is very intuitive. Maybe it's an ongoing thing...Mikey can easily sense something is off with a person (Momthing) or when a person isn't actually a threat despite their loom (Leatherhead) or maybe Mikey is a bit more sensitive to Dimension X creatures since he was trapped there for so long or maybe it's a green eye thing. Irma's eyes were green and so was momthing's.

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by CaliperCat

From what I can recall of that episode, Mikey was witness to more of mom-thing's more questionable moments than most of the others, at least at first, so naturally he'd be more suspicious of her (thus having less to do with how perceptive he is and more to do with luck). Admittedly, I didn't much care for mom-thing either: She had this overly clingy-controlling vibe, and having known people with parents like that, that made me suspicious of her motives pretty early on. So Mikey not liking her much makes sense to me, no matter how he came about such feelings.

Mom-Thing did nothing suspicious until after he attacked her in front of April.
How many times do I have to repeat this?

[Jester]

I'm rewatching the episode as I type, and Amaranthus is right. Mikey just has "a bad feeling about this" and sees April's mom staring at moon or something...but otherwise he is just suspicious for no clear reason.

[Keroscene]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Um, NO, I'm not. I own about half the seasons of the OT, and watch them frequently, so my memory on the subject of Mikey (my favorite turtle, BTW) is pretty darn good- it HAS to be, as I use that show as the basis for a lot of my fic-writing!

I'm not saying that you've recalled the details incorrectly, I'm saying that we tend to look at the OT through rose-tinted spectacles or we hold onto ideas we had about the characters when we first watched it. We cut those OT characters a lot more slack than we do when we see them, often doing very similar things, in 2k12.

Mikey was never outright "dumb" in that series at all"

I haven't said that he was dumb. I'm saying OT Mikey also had other characters saying he was dumb and also had people in the audience thinking he was dumb. The sentiments displayed towards 2k12 Mikey are nothing new. And from rewatching those old episodes for years and years, I don't really think there's a big intellectual difference between OT Mikey and 2k12 Mikey.

It's revealing that fans were concerned that 2k12 Mikey might be "dumb" even before the show premiered. That concern stemmed from the fact that some people had interpreted OT Mikey that way years before. And so it becomes a confirmation bias thing, whereas the dumb things that other characters do are dismissed much more easily.

It's absurd and ridiculous to expect anyone to act like that.

I don't agree because most of those decisions worked out pretty well and real people do strange things all the time, but even if it was totally absurd and ridiculous, does it matter? This is a cartoon, why does it need to present a realistic portrayal of behaviour? Realism doesn't automatically make something more entertaining and it doesn't automatically make a character more endearing or engaging.

He explains that one of his role models is Charlie Chaplin, who supposedly stopped WWI for a couple of hours when one of his movies premiered

Yeah I know the issue and I'm afraid this is a personal taste thing: you think it's a deep intellectual story and I don't. For me, stories which try to explain character traits are misguided and pretentious. Nobody needs a reason to make jokes, it's something that people do.

Also - the character had a 20 year history within Mirage alone. The odd story here or there can't be used as a definitive guide to "what the character is like."

Mikey was the FIRST to take any initiative to rescue Princess Trib, something none of the others had any interest in doing.

Because the writer wanted the story to go that way. There's no "character reason" that another character couldn't have done the same thing, it was just in the interests of the story.

Which is fine, writers can use characters however they want in order to serve the story as far as I'm concerned. But if you're going to point to plot developments and say "this tells us something about the character," then there needs to be a legit reason that another character couldn't have been inserted into their place.

[Shiro Kame]

True, but some of the things he's done is NO EXCUSE.

He almost destroyed months of work on Donatello's retromutagen in the last 2-parter. When he should have knew better than to mess with Donatello's things (like in Shellacne and when Ice Cream Kitty was created).

A bit pet peeve for me was the Croaking, where Mikey basically caused a plot that could have been avoided. He suffers basically no consequences for running away after being told to clean up a mess that HE made. Great moral to treat kids.

Also in Buried Secrets, the infiltrator should have done something suspicious. She did seem a little cold to April in that frame, but that was not a good enough reason for Mikey to attack her. Although, I have my suspicions of what Mikey's "false claims" were resulted from.

[BubblyShell22]

Originally Posted by Amaranthus

Yes, because the preview looked bad. While the clone acted completely normal.
I don't understand how you fail to see the issue. Unless Mikey's a psychic him attacking the clone was uncalled for.

What the hell do you mean by the preview? Are you saying the preview of the show?

You don't have to be a psychic to get a bad vibe about something. I'm proof of that because I've gotten bad vibes about things before and they've always been right. I had a bad vibe that the guy my sister dated wasn't a good person and that the relationship would fail, and it did. So that's the point I'm trying to make here.

[DarkLightDragon]

But he's talking about seeing mom-thing do or say something that would indicate she's maybe not April's mom. Him getting a "bad vibe" without sufficient evidence/proof of what he saw or believes isn't a good enough excuse as to why they should automatically believe him.

[Vicky82]

I do think that Mikey's bad vibes in Buried Secrets is foreshadowing and will be brought up again later and maybe his bad vibes will be more stronger and his brothers will listen to him this time.

I wonder if Mikey will sense something is wrong with Raph if he ends up under the Mind Control Serum. Raph could act normal at first but then will act strangely later and Mikey could pick up on that.

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

What the hell do you mean by the preview? Are you saying the preview of the show?

You don't have to be a psychic to get a bad vibe about something. I'm proof of that because I've gotten bad vibes about things before and they've always been right. I had a bad vibe that the guy my sister dated wasn't a good person and that the relationship would fail, and it did. So that's the point I'm trying to make here.

You were talking about the preview of the 2014 movie. You said your gut told you it would be bad. Do not compare disliking a preview of a movie to magically knowing if someone is trustworthy or not. Seriously.

[DarkLightDragon]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

I do think that Mikey's bad vibes in Buried Secrets is foreshadowing and will be brought up again later and maybe his bad vibes will be more stronger and his brothers will listen to him this time.

I wonder if Mikey will sense something is wrong with Raph if he ends up under the Mind Control Serum. Raph could act normal at first but then will act strangely later and Mikey could pick up on that.

That would require this show to not have plot amnesia for once for something that miniscule of Mikey's character to have.

[Amaranthus]

Isn't it funny? In the first episode of this show Mikey was fascinated by the lights in the window of a psychic, and now he's a psychic himself!
How cool is that?!!
I'm not even joking. It's a poor screenshot but it says fortune-teller.
Mikey was destined to tell the future.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by DarkLightDragon

That would require this show to not have plot amnesia for once for something that miniscule of Mikey's character to have.

Well they didn't have plot amnesia on his other moments.

Like in Mikey gets Shellacne, they didn't take Mikey seriously when he had an idea about going to find Stockman in his old lab. Now they do listen to his ideas.

In Parasistica Mikey wasn't alowed to fire Shell Razor weapons, he did at the end and ever since that episode you see him fire the weapons reguarly even in new turtle van.

Don't forget he lead the team in Into Dimension X and then again in Battle for New York part 2 so there was no plot amnesia here.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by Keroscene

I'm not saying that you've recalled the details incorrectly, I'm saying that we tend to look at the OT through rose-tinted spectacles or we hold onto ideas we had about the characters when we first watched it. We cut those OT characters a lot more slack than we do when we see them, often doing very similar things, in 2k12.

I haven't said that he was dumb. I'm saying OT Mikey also had other characters saying he was dumb and also had people in the audience thinking he was dumb. The sentiments displayed towards 2k12 Mikey are nothing new. And from rewatching those old episodes for years and years, I don't really think there's a big intellectual difference between OT Mikey and 2k12 Mikey.

It's revealing that fans were concerned that 2k12 Mikey might be "dumb" even before the show premiered. That concern stemmed from the fact that some people had interpreted OT Mikey that way years before. And so it becomes a confirmation bias thing, whereas the dumb things that other characters do are dismissed much more easily.

I don't agree because most of those decisions worked out pretty well and real people do strange things all the time, but even if it was totally absurd and ridiculous, does it matter? This is a cartoon, why does it need to present a realistic portrayal of behaviour? Realism doesn't automatically make something more entertaining and it doesn't automatically make a character more endearing or engaging.

Yeah I know the issue and I'm afraid this is a personal taste thing: you think it's a deep intellectual story and I don't. For me, stories which try to explain character traits are misguided and pretentious. Nobody needs a reason to make jokes, it's something that people do.

Also - the character had a 20 year history within Mirage alone. The odd story here or there can't be used as a definitive guide to "what the character is like."

Because the writer wanted the story to go that way. There's no "character reason" that another character couldn't have done the same thing, it was just in the interests of the story.

Which is fine, writers can use characters however they want in order to serve the story as far as I'm concerned. But if you're going to point to plot developments and say "this tells us something about the character," then there needs to be a legit reason that another character couldn't have been inserted into their place.

See, it's not "rose-tinted spectacles" if it's a recent viewing used to objectively dissect the character's personality, which is precisely my point. I'm going into those episodes LOOKING for traits to use, particularly those that are regarded as part of the core "canon" personality of those characters. Things that actually FIT the character's accepted personality and behavior. And I don't cut them any slack at all- I tend to notice all the more where writers have made them over-the-top or extreme in certain portayals, like when Mikey was reading his comic in the middle of a fight in the OT.

As for being dumb vs. being SEEN as dumb- that's a big distinction, and honestly, OT Mikey was never actually dumb in practice- he was only seen that way because of his manner of speech, which was that of a laid-back surfer/slacker type, or to put it simply, a beach-bum. But just because he has that low-key, simple way of speaking (which he only had in THAT version, BTW- 2K3 Mikey was less extreme in his surfer talk) doesn't mean he isn't still intelligent. Perception is often colored by personal bias, and it seems that fans who think of him as dumb because of how he talks, are biased to begin with. He's been compared to Spicoli a number of times, but the only REAL similarity is the tone of voice and ultra-chilled manner.

Fan concerns about Nick Mike being dumb before it premiered probably had a lot to do with the previews, which only showed him being immature and goofy. So that would have been a legitimate concern, and it's been borne out by his portrayal in the series- only much WORSE than the previews ever let on!

Cartoon or not, it's really just ridiculous for him to act that way so often, it's just- silly. Which is apparently what they are going for in this version. He's the one intended to bring in the young kids, just as he was in the OT- except that in the older cartoon, he was at least written to be more mature and intelligent overall, with the occasional goofiness being just a more subtle part of the overall tone of the show, rather than being blatantly shoved in viewers face in EVERY SINGLE EPISODE.

Wow, so stories that center around characterization rather than a defined plot are pretentious now? Because that's exactly what that story was. It was a character study- a bit late in coming, but still just as telling. It showed his thought process and what he believes in. So was the one where he's reading his book to Klunk. These are not plot-driven stories, but CHARACTER-driven ones. There are others, I'm sure, but I haven't read enough of Mirage to point them out, since I only own a few of the Classics and Tales TPB's. IDW, however, I've been following from the beginning, and can pull any arc out and re-read at any time- they sit right next to my PC for easy access when I need to look something up. (So do my few Mirage issues and my one volume each of the Archie and Dreamwave comics.)

As for Mikey in IDW, he's been consistently shown much more like the Mikey from the original movies. And no, no other character could or WOULD have done those things- it's not IN their characters to behave in that way. It's not a matter of the writer wanting the story to go that way, it's a question of which character would act like that and "play hero" to rescue a princess he JUST MET?! Oh, that's right, Mikey would. Because he's preoccupied with comic books and superheroes, and wants to do more than just hide in the shadows. You want a legit reason another character couldn't have done it? Because they had no INTEREST in doing so!

Mikey is the ONLY one who shows any vested interest in doing the "heroic" thing, because it's part of his character, and HAS BEEN since the OT. *cough, Bugman, cough* Or did you forget he was Turtle Titan in 2K3? They did several episodes all about his desire to "be the hero". Because he has that desire to be recognized and accepted more than any of the others. (Except perhaps Raph, but he doesn't have the patience or temperament to go in for those sort of theatrics.) IDW was merely playing off that trait with Trib, and his compassionate nature with Slash. Both of which are more in line with HIS character than any of the other three. So NO, none of the others would have "fit" in either of those situations. That's pretty obvious.

[yellowmario27]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Well they didn't have plot amnesia on his other moments.

Like in Mikey gets Shellacne, they didn't take Mikey seriously when he had an idea about going to find Stockman in his old lab. Now they do listen to his ideas.

In Parasistica Mikey wasn't alowed to fire Shell Razor weapons, he did at the end and ever since that episode you see him fire the weapons reguarly even in new turtle van.

Don't forget he lead the team in Into Dimension X and then again in Battle for New York part 2 so there was no plot amnesia here.

You're right, and I know this doesn't really have anything to do with your point, but the thing about these situations, Mikey gave everyone a reason not to trust him/take him seriously.

Shellacne- he does something reckless, and then has an idea. No one listens to him so he goes buy himself, despite them him not to. Even though it he was right, they had a right not to listen to him 100%

Parasistica- I'm not sure if I'm remembering correctly, but he said if he was in charge of weapons, he would fire them all the time~ (or something reckless, again) which is why they don't let him/don't want him too

I guess this a whole other topic, but I feel like when he does something wrong, they always reward him...or forget about the stupid thing he did because something good came out of it.

Another example is seen when he was playing with the retromutagen in the pig and rhino episode....which previously turned a cat into a mutant, and gave him him shell acne

[BubblyShell22]

Originally Posted by Amaranthus

You were talking about the preview of the 2014 movie. You said your gut told you it would be bad. Do not compare disliking a preview of a movie to magically knowing if someone is trustworthy or not. Seriously.

Yes, I did say that, and I was right. My point is that bad vibes shouldn't be discounted, and if Mikey had a bad vibe about her, he had every right to act on it. Sure, he could have handled it better like maybe pulling April aside or telling her he felt something off, but she probably wouldn't have listened to him. And he was right because it wasn't really her mom anyway, so I'm sure everyone felt bad about the whole thing knowing that Mikey was right all along.

But whatever. If you don't want to agree with me, that's fine. I'm just calling it like I see it.

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Yes, I did say that, and I was right. My point is that bad vibes shouldn't be discounted, and if Mikey had a bad vibe about her, he had every right to act on it. Sure, he could have handled it better like maybe pulling April aside or telling her he felt something off, but she probably wouldn't have listened to him. And he was right because it wasn't really her mom anyway, so I'm sure everyone felt bad about the whole thing knowing that Mikey was right all along.

But whatever. If you don't want to agree with me, that's fine. I'm just calling it like I see it.

If I started to beat up random people on the street and one of them happens to have stolen some old lady's purse. Would that excuse my behaviour?