Sony Pictures Entertainment Brings Marvel Studios Into The Amazing World Of Spider-Ma

[CyberCubed]

They look so ugly especially with the green eyes. They remind me of those British posh singers, what were their names again? Windie or something? One direction?

I think the guy right above Spiderman's pic is probably the best choice.

[ToTheNines]

They remind me of those British posh singers

The **** are you talking about?

[NinjaPug]

Lord & Miller are doing an animated Spider-Man movie that won't be set in continuity with the new reboot

http://variety.com/2015/film/news/sp...18-1201477933/

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

Lord & Miller are doing an animated Spider-Man movie that won't be set in continuity with the new reboot

http://variety.com/2015/film/news/sp...18-1201477933/

......whaa......an animated movie...with a live action movie??

can the animated movie at least be about Miles to shake it up....cause that's alot of Peter.

I can't resist animated movies so I'll totally see it XD

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

Update on the casting. These five are rumored to be in the running.

http://p1cdn01.thewrap.com/images/20...-shortlist.jpg

http://www.thewrap.com/spider-man-sh...eld-exclusive/

I don't know who ANY of them are, but the first one on top looks like the best choice, IMHO. Peter's not a "pretty-boy", he's the "every-man". That guy looks closest to that "face in the crowd" kind of guy. Whether he can ACT remains to be seen.

Which is also one of the reasons Miles will never work as Spidey long-term. He's not an "everyman", he's the "replacement/next-gen type. With an affirmative action cred....

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

I don't know who ANY of them are, but the first one on top looks like the best choice, IMHO. Peter's not a "pretty-boy", he's the "every-man". That guy looks closest to that "face in the crowd" kind of guy. Whether he can ACT remains to be seen.

Which is also one of the reasons Miles will never work as Spidey long-term. He's not an "everyman", he's the "replacement/next-gen type. With an affirmative action cred....

hold up hold up.....why isn't Miles an "everyman" again?

and please let's not start that affirmative action/PC stuff.

just because a person takes over the mantle of a superhero and he doesn't happen to be white doesn't make it affirmative action if anything it's more realistic. What are the chances of another white dude getting bit by a spider.

[Cure]

Considering white people are the majority, I'd say the chances are high it'd be another white dude.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

hold up hold up.....why isn't Miles an "everyman" again?

and please let's not start that affirmative action/PC stuff.

just because a person takes over the mantle of a superhero and he doesn't happen to be white doesn't make it affirmative action if anything it's more realistic. What are the chances of another white dude getting bit by a spider.

Peter is and has always been the ordinary, random guy that nobody would look twice at if he passed on the street, who also happens to be a nerd, but nobody would ever know that just from seeing him at a distance, or even on first meeting. (Unless he drops a "nerd-bomb" of some sort of obscure pop-culture or science reference.) He's basically "normal" (outwardly) in most respects, so much so that he's been ignored by villains when seen out of "uniform" on many occasions. Ock has brushed him off as unimportant more than once, and so have many other villains. Only the ones who KNOW his secret (GG, Kraven, Venom) have ever paid him much attention AS Peter.

Contrast with Miles, who by his minority status alone is automatically more noticeable, and would only "blend" into a crowd in a heavily minority-populated neighborhood. Peter's upbringing in a middle-class, semi-suburban home, also makes him more "unremarkable". Can't say the same for Miles, sadly, no matter what his upbringing. People will automatically remember "he's black" before ANYTHING else. I'm not saying this to be racist, but it's pretty much a point against him that while Peter is just the "white guy with average build, brown hair, and not especially tall/short", (which could describe the vast majority of US men) Miles is OBVIOUSLY "a skinny black kid" who would be more likely to be remembered in better detail by those who might see him in Spider-Man's vicinity, or worse, villains who see him repeatedly out of costume either before or after a fight would be more likely to put the pieces together for that reason. Basically, he's easier to pick out of a crowd.

Peter's presence has also always been much easier to explain- he's a photographer working for a newspaper, a job that takes him all over the city. Miles? He's a KID, who SHOULD be in school. That's much harder to explain, and his being in so many places near Spidey is more likely to raise flags with anyone who sees him, especially when people realize that the "new" Spidey is ALSO young and skinny. It's like all those years where Superman was hiding in plain sight, and no one noticed??!! Miles shows up somewhere, a villain appears, Miles disappears and suddenly a YOUNG skinny Spidey shows up? At least Peter always had the excuse that he was getting pics or finding help. Or both. And that's not even going into the issue of costume tears. Harder to hide the fact that you're a minority when skin shows through rips.

Back when Peter was in high school, he can dangerously close to being caught out several times, which is probably why Stan and Ditko moved him on to college years fairly early on. That wouldn't work now, because of the interconnectedness of Marvel comics currently. Miles would have to suddenly age SEVERAL years, and even that would be noticeable. It just doesn't work for the story, and it's harder to find reasons for him to be wherever the villains are, because he SHOULD still be in school!

[plastroncafe]

"White male as default" is a concept that can't die fast enough.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Why? Because it's a trait of the majority of people in this country? Or because it's just not inclusive enough? I'm all for ORIGINAL minority characters, but to just take an ESTABLISHED one and either kill them off or retire them just to put in a younger minority version? With the SAME origin??!! That's lazy writing. Let's just black/red/yellow/brown/green-wash EVERY established comic book character while we're at it!

[plastroncafe]

1) False equivalency. This Jar Is Full of Major Characters

2) The majority of this country isn't white and male.

3) Spider-Man takes place in New York City, one of the most diverse cities on the planet. Myles' face wouldn't stick out in a crowd. In fact, depending on which neighborhood you're in, it's Peter who would stand out.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

2) The majority of this country isn't white and male.

Pretty sure white men outnumber minorities. Do you have census data?

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Pretty sure white men outnumber minorities. Do you have census data?

Women outnumber men.

Male 138,053,563 49.1
Female 143,368,343 50.9
http://www.infoplease.com/us/census/...mographic.html

[CyberCubed]

Well male superheroes will always get better treatment than female superheroes in movies, so its no a surprise. Nobody expects a Spider-Girl in Avengers over Peter Parker Spiderman, do they?

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Contrast with Miles, who by his minority status alone is automatically more noticeable, and would only "blend" into a crowd in a heavily minority-populated neighborhood. Peter's upbringing in a middle-class, semi-suburban home, also makes him more "unremarkable". Can't say the same for Miles, sadly, no matter what his upbringing. People will automatically remember "he's black" before ANYTHING else. I'm not saying this to be racist, but it's pretty much a point against him that while Peter is just the "white guy with average build, brown hair, and not especially tall/short", (which could describe the vast majority of US men) Miles is OBVIOUSLY "a skinny black kid" who would be more likely to be remembered in better detail by those who might see him in Spider-Man's vicinity, or worse, villains who see him repeatedly out of costume either before or after a fight would be more likely to put the pieces together for that reason. Basically, he's easier to pick out of a crowd.

So Miles is less relatable because he is black.

you know.... this is EXACTLY the reason WHY we need characters like Miles

so we can get the idea of "the black character" out of our heads. The more we have the more ORDINARY as you put it....it will be.

we have to start somewhere.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

So Miles is less relatable because he is black.

you know.... this is EXACTLY the reason WHY we need characters like Miles

so we can get the idea of "the black character" out of our heads. The more we have the more ORDINARY as you put it....it will be.

The only reason Miles was created was for tokenism. Just like they introduce gay characters in comics just for the sake of saying there's a gay character now. Iceman just came out as gay in the recent X-men comics out of nowhere.

[plastroncafe]

I'm going to start saying every new white male character is a blatant pandering to a minority demographic.

[Leo656]

What if I said that most women would have enough common sense to NOT be super-heroes, and that's why there are fewer of them? Is that still offensive?

I kind of don't "buy" female super-heroes because it seems like a thing that only guys would wanna do. Guys or indestructible Amazon princesses. Like, I *like* Black Canary, but I don't *believe* Black Canary, y'know?

I'unno; you're young, you're fit, you're pretty, you might want kids one day... seems like the absolute last thing you'd ever wanna do is put on some fishnets and heels and punch muggers and rapists in the face. Seems like a pretty good way to get killed. Guys see a dude in a cape jumping off a roof, they go "Ahhh, that's cool! I wanna do that!" Because guys are kind of stupid. Most girls, I think, would not engage in pursuits of a super-heroic nature.

I mean, a few of the nutty chicks might, but they'd probably end up turning heel sooner or later anyway, on account of their chemical imbalance which makes them so unstable so as to put on fancy dress and punch people in the first place.

In brief, I'm fine with most super-heroes being men because I think most chicks would know better. Is that offensive, or supportive?

I know we were mostly discussing racial minorities as super-heroes, but I had a more immediate thought with regards to females.

[plastroncafe]

I'd call it offensive, but the last thing I need is Cyber going all LemonGrab on me.
Women aren't smarter. Men aren't stupider. That's outdated binary gender role talk that keeps everyone down.

One of the things I prefer about the Marvel Universe, as opposed to DC, is that there is so much variation. That they haven't gone out of their way to unify their universes, or well...not yet at least. That there's room to change, and people can play with characters in a much more creative way.

I love that we have two Hawkeyes. That Wolverine is Logan and Patch. That Ms Marvel can be Captain Marvel opening Ms Marvel up to be someone else is awesome. I don't even like all the Ultimates books, but I love that they're there. Keeping everything in pristine condition is boring. Peter Parker always being Spider-Man, always working for the Bugle, and always being in that nebulous "young adult" age is boring.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

I'm going to start saying every new white male character is a blatant pandering to a minority demographic.

hmm, Me too.