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**Karpo_007** · 06-21-2003, 02:42 PM

Quite a compilation but I think it goes to much into details. Cheesy writing, "Disneyism" and under performing actors are the main faults of Phantom Menace, Same with Episode 2 except the Disneyism seems to be gone.

ironhelix · 06-21-2003, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Eye of Sarnath

People could care less if it's "dark" as long as it's good. Personally, I think this "dark" thing is load of sh**. Maybe that's why I enjoyed The Phantom Menace so much. I didn't go in thinking (like so many people did) "OMG, it's gotta be super-dark! Anakin's gotta be a rapist and a serial killer!"

LOL 9 year-old rapist and serial killer! That's a first!

ironhelix · 06-21-2003, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Eye of Sarnath

People complain about bad acting. Well, was Frank Oz's performance half-assed? Was Ahmed Best's performance half-assed? How many of the CGI characters have bad voice work? Make no mistake, the real stars of the prequels are very much the CGI characters and the brilliant animators behind them.

Well said Mr. Sarnath. It's fine to critique the talents of an actor, actress, director, or basically anybody in a profession that you are not in. But it's an entirely different thing to be dissing it constantly and not offering any kind of constructive criticism. For these individuals I would say show us something better since it's obvious you have more talent than the best in Hollywood.

ironhelix · 06-21-2003, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Karpo_007

About the music, you have a good point there. John Williams is probably the Best composer in the movies business, The music is probably the best thing about New Star Wars movies.

A close second would be Danny Elfman.

ironhelix · 06-21-2003, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Karpo_007

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why the hell do people want "dark" movies? Just because something is "dark" doesn't mean it's better, and you're crazy if you think otherwise. Are "dark" movies more successful? No. People could care less if it's "dark" as long as it's good.

Sorry if you didn't mean that, that the impression I got. And you are right it's not the darkness that makes movies like Terminator or Matrix good, it's good story, good actors and directing etc etc. But the lack of darkness is not the reason why New Star Wars movies arent very good. It's the lack of good story, and actor performances. Most actors there are could do a lot better, And I do belive it's strongly beacuse Lucas's directing.

New episodes won't be remembered after 20 years like original trilogy, but if you aren't expecting them to be great movies, but accept them as just a piece of good entertainment, you can enjoy the movies. This has been my attitude after Episode I, but the oldest Star Wars fans can't seem to see the new episodes that way.

All this talk of bad acting reminds me of Mark Hamill in Episode IV. I can do a pretty good impression of him in that one scene when Owen tells him to clean up the droids. "But I was supposed to go to Toshii station to pick up some power converters!" LOL I loved that moment...

**Karpo_007** · 06-21-2003, 03:37 PM

Side Note: Episode IV was written by Lucas like I and II

. You are right, the actors aren't that Strong in New Hope, they are lot better in Empire and Jedi.

New epsidode have good actors, but they are clearly under performing their roles. Like I said before thats probably due to Lucas' direction. Only really bad actor I can think of, is Hayden Kristenssen.

Knuckles · 06-22-2003, 07:49 AM

Your knowledge is impressive, Karpo_007. You put up the argument that few I have debated this with have used. It is in fact, perfectly justified, and basically the only type of argument I can take seriously regarding SW. I, of course, agree with you on certain parts. Lucas is definitely lacking in the directing area--ESB and ROTJ definitely show what other directors can do with SW. I am of course, a big SW fan, and I'm the type of fan that can see the flaws, but I still accept it all as valid entries in the saga, and it doesn't diminish the entertainment value for me. I am very much looking forward to Episode III, as Lucas has said that it will be darker and not appeal to some people, which basically means it will appeal more to people than TPM or AOTC, as Lucas is sort of out of touch with how people perceive the movies. But I digress. Anyway, I am pleased to see that some people can actually make valid arguments criticizing the prequels, rather than just hopping on the SW-hating bandwagon, (which, no, I'm not saying that's what every critic of the new movies does, but in my experience it seems that way a lot). Kudos to you, Karpo, and kudos again. May the Force be with you.

ironhelix · 06-22-2003, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Knuckles

Your knowledge is impressive, Karpo_007. You put up the argument that few I have debated this with have used. It is in fact, perfectly justified, and basically the only type of argument I can take seriously regarding SW. I, of course, agree with you on certain parts. Lucas is definitely lacking in the directing area--ESB and ROTJ definitely show what other directors can do with SW. I am of course, a big SW fan, and I'm the type of fan that can see the flaws, but I still accept it all as valid entries in the saga, and it doesn't diminish the entertainment value for me. I am very much looking forward to Episode III, as Lucas has said that it will be darker and not appeal to some people, which basically means it will appeal more to people than TPM or AOTC, as Lucas is sort of out of touch with how people perceive the movies. But I digress. Anyway, I am pleased to see that some people can actually make valid arguments criticizing the prequels, rather than just hopping on the SW-hating bandwagon, (which, no, I'm not saying that's what every critic of the new movies does, but in my experience it seems that way a lot). Kudos to you, Karpo, and kudos again. May the Force be with you.

Of course you have to accept it as valid entries in the saga, because there are no other valid entries.

**Karpo_007** · 06-22-2003, 10:29 AM

Yeah, Episode 3 has potential to become a good movie, and Im pretty sure it will be the best of New episodes. It has been said that it will have more lighsaber battles than any SW movie before, So hopefully Hayden fights more than talks.

Ghidorah2000 · 06-23-2003, 01:48 PM

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I concur. My biggest problem with the prequels isn't the story, it's the fact that big bad Anakin Skywalker has been portrayed as a whiny punk who *I* could kick the crap out of. But that's more because of the fact that Hayden Christensen is a lousy actor. But ah well, actors aren't as good as they were 20 years ago and that, my friends, is fact. Lucas had a LOT more to work with when he cast the movies back then... even if Carrie Fischer was coked out of her head for most of it.

I know this is a bit late but I had to add something here. I just can't be,lieve that Lucas chose whiny Hayden Christiansen over the kid who played Pyro in X2. I forget the actor's name but he auditioned for the role. Why Lucas did not choose him is beyond me unless he wanted to show us where Luike got his whininess from. Anyone remember Luke's whiny line from Star Wars?

**Karpo_007** · 06-23-2003, 01:55 PM

Nothing coms to mind, But New Hope had many cheesy lines, as do every SW movie written by Lucas. The guy who plaued Pyro is Aaron Stanford, and he would have been a muc better choice for the role of Anakin. I hope they take Kristennsen to actor school before they start shooting episode 3.

Aaron Stanford

Ghidorah2000 · 06-23-2003, 03:12 PM

It just boggles my mind why Lucas didn't choose him. I hope after seeing X2 he's kicking himself.

**Karpo_007** · 06-23-2003, 03:18 PM

Yeah, it's a shame. Unlike Christenssen, Stanford can really act.

Ghidorah2000 · 06-23-2003, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Karpo_007

Yeah, it's a shame. Unlike Christenssen, Stanford can really act.

Maybe that was the problem. He could act.

**Karpo_007** · 06-23-2003, 03:34 PM

Heh.. I heard the official reason is that Christenssen looks Good with Portman. That was more important to Lucas than the fact can he act or not.

ironhelix · 06-23-2003, 03:55 PM

I don't recall Aaron Stanford ever being in the running. Anyway, the line was "But I was supposed to go to Toshii station to pick up some power converters!!!" I've been told I do a hilarious impersonation...

**Karpo_007** · 06-23-2003, 04:03 PM

If he wasn't, then he should have been.

ironhelix · 06-23-2003, 04:51 PM

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If he wasn't, then he should have been.

Agreed.

Ghidorah2000 · 06-24-2003, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ironhelix

I don't recall Aaron Stanford ever being in the running. Anyway, the line was "But I was supposed to go to Toshii station to pick up some power converters!!!" I've been told I do a hilarious impersonation...

I find that hilarious. Like father, like son. Think about it won't you?

~~Reznorite420~~ · 06-24-2003, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Knuckles

Your knowledge is impressive, Karpo_007. You put up the argument that few I have debated this with have used. It is in fact, perfectly justified, and basically the only type of argument I can take seriously regarding SW. I, of course, agree with you on certain parts. Lucas is definitely lacking in the directing area--ESB and ROTJ definitely show what other directors can do with SW. I am of course, a big SW fan, and I'm the type of fan that can see the flaws, but I still accept it all as valid entries in the saga, and it doesn't diminish the entertainment value for me. I am very much looking forward to Episode III, as Lucas has said that it will be darker and not appeal to some people, which basically means it will appeal more to people than TPM or AOTC, as Lucas is sort of out of touch with how people perceive the movies. But I digress. Anyway, I am pleased to see that some people can actually make valid arguments criticizing the prequels, rather than just hopping on the SW-hating bandwagon, (which, no, I'm not saying that's what every critic of the new movies does, but in my experience it seems that way a lot). Kudos to you, Karpo, and kudos again. May the Force be with you.

I hope you were being sarcastic. Karpo's claiming his own opinions about the prequels are solid facts of the universe, which he does to a lot of things as well. However, I for one tend to lean on the side that despite my own opinions about Karpo's criticism, I and II were definitely NOT the best movies ever made. A New Hope is as of now still my most favorite.

06-23-2003, 03:12 PM	#72
Ghidorah2000 Foot Soldier Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Monster Island Posts: 189	It just boggles my mind why Lucas didn't choose him. I hope after seeing X2 he's kicking himself. __________________ Tom Servo: It's just a simple matter of "What the h* is going on?!"**

06-23-2003, 03:55 PM	#76
ironhelix Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 321	I don't recall Aaron Stanford ever being in the running. Anyway, the line was "But I was supposed to go to Toshii station to pick up some power converters!!!" I've been told I do a hilarious impersonation... __________________ Never missed Melrose Place or Lost In Space I've seen each Amazing Race and Without A Trace But I've only watched Will & Grace one time, one day Wish I hadn't, cuz Tivo now thinks I'm gay

06-21-2003, 02:42 PM	#61
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Quite a compilation but I think it goes to much into details. Cheesy writing, "Disneyism" and under performing actors are the main faults of Phantom Menace, Same with Episode 2 except the Disneyism seems to be gone.

06-21-2003, 03:37 PM	#66
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Side Note: Episode IV was written by Lucas like I and II . You are right, the actors aren't that Strong in New Hope, they are lot better in Empire and Jedi. New epsidode have good actors, but they are clearly under performing their roles. Like I said before thats probably due to Lucas' direction. Only really bad actor I can think of, is Hayden Kristenssen.

06-22-2003, 07:49 AM	#67
Knuckles Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 260	Your knowledge is impressive, Karpo_007. You put up the argument that few I have debated this with have used. It is in fact, perfectly justified, and basically the only type of argument I can take seriously regarding SW. I, of course, agree with you on certain parts. Lucas is definitely lacking in the directing area--ESB and ROTJ definitely show what other directors can do with SW. I am of course, a big SW fan, and I'm the type of fan that can see the flaws, but I still accept it all as valid entries in the saga, and it doesn't diminish the entertainment value for me. I am very much looking forward to Episode III, as Lucas has said that it will be darker and not appeal to some people, which basically means it will appeal more to people than TPM or AOTC, as Lucas is sort of out of touch with how people perceive the movies. But I digress. Anyway, I am pleased to see that some people can actually make valid arguments criticizing the prequels, rather than just hopping on the SW-hating bandwagon, (which, no, I'm not saying that's what every critic of the new movies does, but in my experience it seems that way a lot). Kudos to you, Karpo, and kudos again. May the Force be with you.

06-22-2003, 10:29 AM	#69
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Yeah, Episode 3 has potential to become a good movie, and Im pretty sure it will be the best of New episodes. It has been said that it will have more lighsaber battles than any SW movie before, So hopefully Hayden fights more than talks.

06-23-2003, 01:55 PM	#71
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Nothing coms to mind, But New Hope had many cheesy lines, as do every SW movie written by Lucas. The guy who plaued Pyro is Aaron Stanford, and he would have been a muc better choice for the role of Anakin. I hope they take Kristennsen to actor school before they start shooting episode 3. Aaron Stanford

06-23-2003, 03:18 PM	#73
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Yeah, it's a shame. Unlike Christenssen, Stanford can really act.

06-23-2003, 03:34 PM	#75
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Heh.. I heard the official reason is that Christenssen looks Good with Portman. That was more important to Lucas than the fact can he act or not.

06-23-2003, 04:03 PM	#77
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	If he wasn't, then he should have been.