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[Leo656]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Is that the "Dick Greyson, Age Twelve" story?

Dark Knight Strikes Again is the "Nobody Asked For This" sequel to the already supremely overrated and honestly not-that-special Dark Knight Returns. Pretty much the pinnacle of the whole "Batman Can Beat Up The Universe" lunacy. Grayson ends up being the ultimate villain and an invincible shape-shifter. Superman and Wonder Woman f*ck so hard they break a mountain. Plastic Man is in it. It's baaaaaaaaaad.

You may be thinking of "All-Star Batman and Robin," which is almost as awful from a totally different direction, but is kind of the "prequel" to DKR and DKSA, as Miller claims all his Batman stories are in the same continuity.

I kinda think Frank Miller sucks really hard and I hold those two books as evidence.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

No, that's All-Star Batman & Robin.

Also have the lovely quote from... The guy supposed to be Batman
"What are you, dense? Are you retarded or something? Who the hell do you think I am? I'm the goddamn Batman!"

Both by crazy Miller

That poor man. Drunk and poisoned on his own Kool-Aid.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Also have the lovely quote from... The guy supposed to be Batman
"What are you, dense? Are you retarded or something? Who the hell do you think I am? I'm the goddamn Batman!"

If you read ASB&R, DKR, and DKSR in a row, by the end of it you totally look at Batman as the bad guy and are actively wishing someone would kill this pompous c*** already. True story.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

okay yea...but I still want my Miles movie XD.....I want both. I mean he's already created might as well use him.

also I want a Ms. Marvel movie....(but I'll patently wait for that one)

but yea....Static Shock...should of had that by now.

Sadly, you're probably in very sparse company for a Miles-Spider movie. I just don't see him ever being popular enough to carry one on his own. As a team member in an Avenger movie? Maybe- though he doesn't really have enough MEMORABLE history for even that much, TBH. But hey, keep hoping. It could (maybe?) happen some day. Kinda' doubt it, but.... Hollywood is full of crazy ideas. Some work, some don't.

Now THAT is a movie I'd want to see, too! Funny thing, I was just talking about wanting a Ms. Marvel movie about an hour ago when my hubby was reading the news threads about ScarJo wanting to do a Black Widow movie. I say YES to BOTH!!

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Dark Knight Strikes Again is the "Nobody Asked For This" sequel to the already supremely overrated and honestly not-that-special Dark Knight Returns. Pretty much the pinnacle of the whole "Batman Can Beat Up The Universe" lunacy. Grayson ends up being the ultimate villain and an invincible shape-shifter. Superman and Wonder Woman f*ck so hard they break a mountain. Plastic Man is in it. It's baaaaaaaaaad.

You may be thinking of "All-Star Batman and Robin," which is almost as awful from a totally different direction, but is kind of the "prequel" to DKR and DKSA, as Miller claims all his Batman stories are in the same continuity.

I kinda think Frank Miller sucks really hard and I hold those two books as evidence.

There's also Holy Terror by Frank Miller. It's Batman battling Muslims after Gotham got attacked by terrorists, except DC didn't like it and Miller changed the characters into thinly veiled stand-ins of Batman and Catwoman.

It's bad, so extremely bad.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

There's also Holy Terror by Frank Miller. It's Batman battling Muslims after Gotham got attacked by terrorists, except DC didn't like it and Miller changed the characters into thinly veiled stand-ins of Batman and Catwoman.

It's bad, so extremely bad.

Not to mention racist, sexist, jingoistic, and xenophobic.
But...I mean, it's just easier to say Frank Miller wrote it.

And I say that as someone who loves Sin City for the pornography that it is.

[Leo656]

I remember hearing about that one.

I never really cared for his work, at all. It's so damn self-reverent. His stuff has such a great reputation, but as stories, they kind of suck. Pretty much anybody could do better Batman stories, certainly.

Spoiler:

See? Even Sheik know that Frank Miller is nothing but Hollywood blonde jabroni. Not The Real, not The Legend. Jabroni Bay, go f*** yourself forever, and have a good day, raisin balls. You no respect The Legend, so you worse than the Virgil, percent 1000.

[Candy Kappa]

Year One is pretty good, and I really like Dark Knight Returns. But DK2 and Assbar is so terrible. And I really like his Daredevil work in the 80's.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Year One is pretty good, and I really like Dark Knight Returns. But DK2 and Assbar is so terrible. And I really like his Daredevil work in the 80's.

I've heard good things about his run on Daredevil, and not just because it spawned the turtles.
Maybe I'll see if a friend owns a copy, or if they have one at the library. There's no way in hell I'm going to give that man money if I can avoid it.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

I've heard good things about his run on Daredevil, and not just because it spawned the turtles.
Maybe I'll see if a friend owns a copy, or if they have one at the library. There's no way in hell I'm going to give that man money if I can avoid it.

You should check out Daredevil: The Man Without Fear and Daredevil: Born Again. Those are great.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Sadly, you're probably in very sparse company for a Miles-Spider movie. I just don't see him ever being popular enough to carry one on his own. As a team member in an Avenger movie? Maybe- though he doesn't really have enough MEMORABLE history for even that much, TBH. But hey, keep hoping. It could (maybe?) happen some day. Kinda' doubt it, but.... Hollywood is full of crazy ideas. Some work, some don't.

Now THAT is a movie I'd want to see, too! Funny thing, I was just talking about wanting a Ms. Marvel movie about an hour ago when my hubby was reading the news threads about ScarJo wanting to do a Black Widow movie. I say YES to BOTH!!

Wait a minute....your cool with Ms. Marvel....but not Miles?
Didn't Kamala take over a mantle like Miles did?

(except she has different powers) Please don't say it's only because she has different powers.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

Wait a minute....your cool with Ms. Marvel....but not Miles?
Didn't Kamala take over a mantle like Miles did?

(except she has different powers) Please don't say it's only because she has different powers.

Funny how you brought Kamala up. There's actually word going around that the newly announced upcoming untitled Marvel television series from John Ridley currently in development is a Ms. Marvel series.

Course it's just a rumor for now, but still.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

Funny how you brought Kamala up. There's actually word going around that the newly announced upcoming untitled Marvel television series from John Ridley currently in development is a Ms. Marvel series.

Course it's just a rumor for now, but still.

That'd be awesome! I love me some Kamala ^__^

[Leo656]

Everybody loves Kamala.

Spoiler:

Every single person here had to know that was comin'.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I haven't kept up with comics regularly in about four years, for money reasons. And I'm a fan of the ORIGINAL Ms. Marvel- Carol Danvers. She's an awesome character with flaws, a great backstory, and lots of history. I don't even CARE what her ethnicity is (and the big boobs some artists depict her with is a bit of a turn-off, TBH), because I like her because she is a female fighter pilot-turned-superhero. Who also happens to be an alcoholic with self-esteem issues. I don't really care what her powers are- Rogue has the EXACT SAME POWERS (she took them from Carol, actually, and left her in a coma for YEARS because of it), but I like that they have that connection and bad blood between them because of it.

My reasons for liking the characters are because of the person BEHIND the costume, not he costume or powers themselves. That's why all the knock-offs feel so cheap to me. I'm not a fan of all the Spider-Woman wanna-be's, I prefer Jessica, with her rich story and especially since she joined New Avengers right after the Disassembled storyline in '99. I have a mint, 1st print SIGNED copy of New Avengers #1, with certificate and print #, and another copy of the same issue where she was recruited to the team. Loved her ever since.

Honestly, I really dislike this recent trend Marvel has been on of hand-me-down powers and/or mantles. It just feels cheap and dumb, as if they can't come up with NW ideas, so they retread older ones with new "skins" and makes pseudo-new characters that are really just re-skinned versions of the old ones, to be "hip" or "inclusive" or whatever. It's just to sell comics or movie tickets, NOT for the interest of telling a good story. I don't care about Miles, or Kamela, or any of the "new" (insert hero name here) characters. They hold no interest for me, because they are basically that "character" in name only. All they REALLY have in common is what hero-handle they go by, and that just doesn't hold my interest. Like we've already had THREE Spider-Women, (Or is it four? I lost count?) three Hulks, etc. I like the ones I grew up with, and SOME of the newer characters from before Marvel went all PC, but I'm not going to jump on the fan-wagon of someone just because they're CALLED Ms. Marvel. I'd rather have the character with some actual meat, not the "character lite" version.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

I haven't kept up with comics regularly in about four years, for money reasons. And I'm a fan of the ORIGINAL Ms. Marvel- Carol Danvers. She's an awesome character with flaws, a great backstory, and lots of history. I don't even CARE what her ethnicity is (and the big boobs some artists depict her with is a bit of a turn-off, TBH), because I like her because she is a female fighter pilot-turned-superhero. Who also happens to be an alcoholic with self-esteem issues. I don't really care what her powers are- Rogue has the EXACT SAME POWERS (she took them from Carol, actually, and left her in a coma for YEARS because of it), but I like that they have that connection and bad blood between them because of it.

My reasons for liking the characters are because of the person BEHIND the costume, not he costume or powers themselves. That's why all the knock-offs feel so cheap to me. I'm not a fan of all the Spider-Woman wanna-be's, I prefer Jessica, with her rich story and especially since she joined New Avengers right after the Disassembled storyline in '99. I have a mint, 1st print SIGNED copy of New Avengers #1, with certificate and print #, and another copy of the same issue where she was recruited to the team. Loved her ever since.

Honestly, I really dislike this recent trend Marvel has been on of hand-me-down powers and/or mantles. It just feels cheap and dumb, as if they can't come up with NW ideas, so they retread older ones with new "skins" and makes pseudo-new characters that are really just re-skinned versions of the old ones, to be "hip" or "inclusive" or whatever. It's just to sell comics or movie tickets, NOT for the interest of telling a good story. I don't care about Miles, or Kamela, or any of the "new" (insert hero name here) characters. They hold no interest for me, because they are basically that "character" in name only. All they REALLY have in common is what hero-handle they go by, and that just doesn't hold my interest. Like we've already had THREE Spider-Women, (Or is it four? I lost count?) three Hulks, etc. I like the ones I grew up with, and SOME of the newer characters from before Marvel went all PC, but I'm not going to jump on the fan-wagon of someone just because they're CALLED Ms. Marvel. I'd rather have the character with some actual meat, not the "character lite" version.

dang....I feel bad for you because Kamala is such an awesome character.

and really it wouldn't matter if she wasn't Ms.Marvel.

her CHARACTER (her personality/her struggles) are so amazing.
she's so freakin adorkable

Spoiler:

sometimes the characters that come after are better than the characters before. I mean I love Wally West more than Barry.

Heroes are about helping people in need and I think it's nice that more than one person can hold the same title, it's passing the torch to people who truly deserve it.

and Miles and Kamala deserve it.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Urghk. That art- Just.... Ugh, no. Such a turn-off already. And you're talking to the wrong person for that- newer isn't always better, either. Don't get me wrong, some ARE great. I like Toxin FAr more than Venom, but it's because his situation was so darned interesting, and he was in fact, a really GOOD character (albeit underused). But for the most part, I find the newer versions just "watered-down", cheap, or lazy attempts to re-create the same lightning-in-a-bottle effect as the originals, using the SAME power-set or theme, but just with a new face. And it cheapens the entire comic experience for me. I didn't like Red hulk, I don't care much for Bucky as Cap (give me Steve back!) I'm equally as into old Nick Fury as the Sam Jackson version, and I love Jean and Rachel equally as Phoenix. Even Emma as the Phoenix was freaking awesome, for all that it lasted only a few pages. But most mantles just don't work as well on someone else as they did on the original.

Don't get me wrong- I LOVE Falcon, Luke Cage, and Storm, and others like Cannonball or Sunspot. But I don't see the need to re-create these characters as someone "new" by putting the name on a different face. Which is what I feel they've been doing for the last five years or so. And as a writer myself (with my OWN legacy Spider-kid, in fact) I just feel like it's gone to ridiculous extremes.

And for the record, to avoid claims of hypocrisy, my Spider-kid doesn't CALL himself spider-Man, even though he has ALMOST the same powers (plus a couple of "extras, LOL!) He wanted to distance himself from his famous dad's image by using a different name. So we have Red-Back. Still a spider, but a very different mage. (And for the record, I was using the black/red color scheme for his suit LONG before Miles! So that part of Miles actually feels vaguely insulting, because it's almost exactly the same as what I came up with. And I sometimes have to wonder if any Marvel staff saw that design and "borrowed" it for Miles....)

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Urghk. That art- Just.... Ugh, no. Such a turn-off already. And you're talking to the wrong person for that- newer isn't always better, either. Don't get me wrong, some ARE great. I like Toxin FAr more than Venom, but it's because his situation was so darned interesting, and he was in fact, a really GOOD character (albeit underused). But for the most part, I find the newer versions just "watered-down", cheap, or lazy attempts to re-create the same lightning-in-a-bottle effect as the originals, using the SAME power-set or theme, but just with a new face. And it cheapens the entire comic experience for me. I didn't like Red hulk, I don't care much for Bucky as Cap (give me Steve back!) I'm equally as into old Nick Fury as the Sam Jackson version, and I love Jean and Rachel equally as Phoenix. Even Emma as the Phoenix was freaking awesome, for all that it lasted only a few pages. But most mantles just don't work as well on someone else as they did on the original.

Don't get me wrong- I LOVE Falcon, Luke Cage, and Storm, and others like Cannonball or Sunspot. But I don't see the need to re-create these characters as someone "new" by putting the name on a different face. Which is what I feel they've been doing for the last five years or so. And as a writer myself (with my OWN legacy Spider-kid, in fact) I just feel like it's gone to ridiculous extremes.

And for the record, to avoid claims of hypocrisy, my Spider-kid doesn't CALL himself spider-Man, even though he has ALMOST the same powers (plus a couple of "extras, LOL!) He wanted to distance himself from his famous dad's image by using a different name. So we have Red-Back. Still a spider, but a very different mage. (And for the record, I was using the black/red color scheme for his suit LONG before Miles! So that part of Miles actually feels vaguely insulting, because it's almost exactly the same as what I came up with. And I sometimes have to wonder if any Marvel staff saw that design and "borrowed" it for Miles....)

well you can call it watering it down or maybe it's a new version for new readers to get into.

I never knew Captain Marvel.....but I'm into Ms.Marvel and I love her.

It's a new generation...and sometimes I feel like older fans feel a little attacked when their characters are being replaced.

I'd be bored if I had to write with the same characters over and over again....It seems fun to have the same superhero but a different character with a fresh story.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

The funny part is, most of the new-gen stories aren't even new or fresh. I've read so many reboots, ret-cons, and even alternate-universe takes on heroes that after a while, it is just the same thing, done with a different "spin". There are exceptions, of course. Marvel's Noir books were an amazing new take on some old characters done in a 1940's film-noir style, and the characters were the SAME ONES as the main MU, but with different backstories and edgier personas, new costumes, and a different setting, and it was GREAT! Same with the 1602 setting storyline. Imagine Spider-Man and the Hulk in early colonial New World. Virginia Colony, in the time of Queen Elizabeth I's last days. It was fantastic. So I'm not against taking old characters and doing something new or different, but why even bother with the NAME, if it's not the same character at all??! Might as well give them a new name altogether.

[CyberCubed]

The funny thing is the only reason why people don't complain about Batgirl is because she didn't "replace" Batman, she just turned out to be Batman's second sidekick after Robin. And then Batgirl became so popular she was able to lead a series on her own.