Do you think Raph is getting enough character/central focus?

[CyberCubed]

How would you feel if Raph gets mutated into his Gamera form like in Volume 4? And it happened to Don in the 4kids series and all the Turtles in Season 9 of the original toon.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Well, I tell ya what... I hope the Dark Raph bit lasts for at least a few episodes and is so amazing that Raph's fans end up needing clean pants. Take that however you wish. lol

It'll last for one episode and the only turtle who'll deal with it will be Leonardo. Leo will fight him, get donnie to turn him back, and the end. And Mikey won't be involved at all (even though it would make perfect sense for Mikey to be the central Turtle to get Raph back, considering all the stuff in the past like Mikey being the one & only Turtle to calm him down during his rage...particularly when Splinter was thought to be dead...but hey, it's just a cartoon, so who cares about that).

There will be nothing 'epic' about it. It'll be as 'deep' as the episode of Back to the Sewers where all of the Turtles memories were 'wiped' and were bad guys for about 5 minutes or so (aka Identity Crisis).

I'd bet money on it. It'll be, yet again, another missed opportunity/another 'kick in the teeth' to Raph fans...if the writers were able to screw up the whole 'Slash' thing THAT BADLY (SO much you could have done with that, and they flushed it away), then I don't get why anyone has hope for this...I really don't.

[Donatello19]

It probably kinda sucks for Raph fans, but I'm fine with him not hogging the spotlight for once. I did really enjoy his whole thing with Spike/Slash, though...hopefully they can find a way to expand on that a little more.

[Sabacooza]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

It'll last for one episode and the only turtle who'll deal with it will be Leonardo. Leo will fight him, get donnie to turn him back, and the end.

I'd bet money on it. It'll be, yet again, another missed opportunity/another 'kick in the teeth' to Raph fans...if the writers were able to screw up the whole 'Slash' thing THAT BADLY (SO much you could have done with that, and they flushed it away), then I don't get why anyone has hope for this...I really don't.

That's about the gist of it. The writers have no love for this character. They've made that perfectly clear.

[Meliwen]

I'm sorta expecting Raph to go dark near the end of the episode, and carry over at least till Deadly Venom, if not beyond that but that might be pushing it.

I don't blame anyone for assuming the worst from this arc, part of me says I'm hyping myself up too much, but regardless, I'm remaining optimistic about Dark Raph. I see hints that support that this will be a good and decent arc, but of course I could easily be looking too deep in some things. But I remain hopeful. Fingers crossed.

[Teddy]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

It'll last for one episode and the only turtle who'll deal with it will be Leonardo. Leo will fight him, get donnie to turn him back, and the end. And Mikey won't be involved at all (even though it would make perfect sense for Mikey to be the central Turtle to get Raph back, considering all the stuff in the past like Mikey being the one & only Turtle to calm him down during his rage...particularly when Splinter was thought to be dead...but hey, it's just a cartoon, so who cares about that).

There will be nothing 'epic' about it. It'll be as 'deep' as the episode of Back to the Sewers where all of the Turtles memories were 'wiped' and were bad guys for about 5 minutes or so (aka Identity Crisis).

I'd bet money on it. It'll be, yet again, another missed opportunity/another 'kick in the teeth' to Raph fans...if the writers were able to screw up the whole 'Slash' thing THAT BADLY (SO much you could have done with that, and they flushed it away), then I don't get why anyone has hope for this...I really don't.

This is pretty much exactly what I'm expecting. Not much.

Raph has really been shafted in this series. The first season was awesome, but after that I feel like he's been shoved into the background. Disappointing to me of course as a Raph fan, but really he is usually the main focus in other series, so I guess I'll live. Still, would be great if we could get at least one really awesome Raph episode. His episodes so far have been pretty horrible (loved Plan 10, though!).

[Sabacooza]

So apparently in the Mondo Gecko episode Mikey and Casey become buddy, buddy but yet they can't do that for Raph?! What a lousy frickin' show!

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by Sabacooza

So apparently in the Mondo Gecko episode Mikey and Casey become buddy, buddy but yet they can't do that for Raph?! What a lousy frickin' show!

Wow, you sound so selfish.

So your saying that Mikey and Casey arn't allowed to spend some time together.

It be nice to have more interaction between Casey and Mikey, this is something we haven't had yet.

We haven't even had the next episode yet and your complaing over not knowing the full details on why Mikey and Casey are hanging out in the first place.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

How would you feel if Raph gets mutated into his Gamera form like in Volume 4? And it happened to Don in the 4kids series and all the Turtles in Season 9 of the original toon.

The Gamera form? Maybe that could work, but you have to be careful to make sure it fits. In the 4Kids series it works to have Donnie mutate as it's part of the storyline that sets season 5 in motion.

[Sabacooza]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Wow, you sound so selfish.

So your saying that Mikey and Casey arn't allowed to spend some time together.

It be nice to have more interaction between Casey and Mikey, this is something we haven't had yet.

We haven't even had the next episode yet and your complaing over not knowing the full details on why Mikey and Casey are hanging out in the first place.

Don't even go there with me. They took everything away from this character so excuse me if I want a little more for Raph. I take it you're a Mikey fan so you couldn't possibly understand how I feel about this character constantly getting shafted.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by Sabacooza

Don't even go there with me. They took everything away from this character so excuse me if I want a little more for Raph. I take it you're a Mikey fan so you couldn't possibly understand how I feel about this character constantly getting shafted.

Yeah I am a Mikey fan (but I do like all of them) and I felt the same as you as Mikey was shafted in the 2014 Movie, 2007 movie, and the 1st 2 original movies as I felt he was in the background because Raph was the main focus in all of those movies.

I feel that Raph is going to be more focused in the 2016 movie because of Casey is going to be in it.

I felt that the 2003 show was more focused on Leo and Raph

Also Mikey hasn't had a major storyline in the IDW comics yet either.

So let Raph be in the background and let the other turtles have more focus for once.

I feel sorry for Donnie fans because he was constantly in the background and I bet they are happy now that he's getting more focus in the Nick show.

Seriously, some fans are so selfish that they don't care about what the other fans want.

[Sabacooza]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Yeah I am a Mikey fan (but I do like all of them) and I felt the same as you as Mikey was shafted in the 2014 Movie, 2007 movie, and the 1st 2 original movies as I felt he was in the background because Raph was the main focus in all of those movies.

I feel that Raph is going to be more focused in the 2016 movie because of Casey is going to be in it.

I felt that the 2003 show was more focused on Leo and Raph

Also Mikey hasn't had a major storyline in the IDW comics yet either.

So let Raph be in the background and let the other turtles have more focus for once.

I feel sorry for Donnie fans because he was constantly in the background and I bet they are happy now that he's getting more focus in the Nick show.

Seriously, some fans are so selfish that they don't care about what the other fans want.

We're not even talking about the other things and such you think he has a big part in. This is about the Nick TV show and as it stands, Raph is treated poorly. You're not going to convince me otherwise.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by Sabacooza

We're not even talking about the other things and such you think he has a big part in. This is about the Nick TV show and as it stands, Raph is treated poorly. You're not going to convince me otherwise.

It doesn't matter, I expect the Nick crew knew Raph had a lot of focus in other incarnations and don't want him to have too much focus in this show and let ther other turtles to have bit more focus than Raph.

You have to let other fans have there favourite turtle to have a bit more focus because it isn't fair on them to see there favourite turtle shafted to the background.

What if Raph did have a lot of focus than the other turtles in the Nick show, then we would have to deal with people complaining about the bad treatmant there favourite turtle was getting.

I just hope Raph does get more focus soon, so it will shut you guys up.

Hey why don't we have a show called Raph and the Ninja Turtles or what about a Raph solo movie without any of the other turtles in it, I expect that will make Raph fans happy.

[Meliwen]

Raph getting a good arc for himself doesn't mean it'll take focus away from the other turtles. No one wants Raph to dominate the focus in the show, we just want all turtles to get a decent amount of quality focus. Yes, that includes Mikey, and at this rate I think he's the one who needs it most.

I love how Donnie's getting more focus and I like how the show has handled Donnie and Leo's character arcs. There's nothing to say the same can't be done for the other two turtles or that doing so will somehow shove Donnie and Leo under the bus.

[Vicky82]

Well whatever happens on Sunday, Raph is going to be really pissed finding out that Slash was captured because we do see him attacking Shredder before he becomes Dark in the preview.

[Meliwen]

I hope that's his motivation for what seems like him losing his temper again. He had a good lid on it so far, but Slash being captured seems like the type of thing that can break that control.

[Sabacooza]

Originally Posted by Meliwen

Raph getting a good arc for himself doesn't mean it'll take focus away from the other turtles. No one wants Raph to dominate the focus in the show, we just want all turtles to get a decent amount of quality focus.

Vicky obviously hasn't got a clue but you my friend clearly get it.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by Sabacooza

Vicky obviously hasn't got a clue but you my friend clearly get it.

I do get it, I know he hasn't had a episode focused on him yet in season 3 but if you pay attention, it's going to happen on Sunday and the arc is going to be big and probably going to last till the end of the season.

I guess there will be episodes that he probably won't be in it much but it's to build the storyline up to the final showdown and when Raph turns back to normal it's going to be big deal for the other turtles and they be emotionally happy that he has returned to them.

But i'll guess you'll still be complaining about it after watching Sunday (and proabably the end of the season too) and obviously you will moan about Casey and Mikey hanging out in the Mondo Gecko episode.

[Ashwolf]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

I do get it, I know he hasn't had a episode focused on him yet in season 3 but if you pay attention, it's going to happen on Sunday and the arc is going to be big and probably going to last till the end of the season.

I guess there will be episodes that he probably won't be in it much but it's to build the storyline up to the final showdown and when Raph turns back to normal it's going to be big deal for the other turtles and they be emotionally happy that he has returned to them.

But i'll guess you'll still be complaining about it after watching Sunday (and proabably the end of the season too) and obviously you will moan about Casey and Mikey hanging out in the Mondo Gecko episode.

Raph fans will prob gripe about it no matter wat happens....

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

I do get it, I know he hasn't had a episode focused on him yet in season 3 but if you pay attention, it's going to happen on Sunday and the arc is going to be big and probably going to last till the end of the season.

I guess there will be episodes that he probably won't be in it much but it's to build the storyline up to the final showdown and when Raph turns back to normal it's going to be big deal for the other turtles and they be emotionally happy that he has returned to them.

So when that doesn't happen, can we complain then?

If these writers were as good as people said they were...they would:

*Make Raph gone for a bit, as in more than one episode, and have each turtle reflect on how they miss him...especially Mikey (since the two of them share a lot of close stuff throughout)

*make it so that Mikey is the one who brings Raph back to the light (but they won't do that...it'll be Leo or just some Donnie invention and 'Bop')...either by Raph getting ready to kill/hurt Mikey, but then Mikey says something (or hugs him, to reflect that certain scene at the end of Season 2) which snaps Raph out of it...this way, both Raph AND Mikey (which are my two favorites) are essential.

*afterwards, have Raph (at least for a couple episodes) try his hardest to NOT get mad or angry at anything, only to then realize that part of that Is Needed for the team...you could even have Mikey play the 'big brother' for his big brother...people keep saying that Raph has been helping Leo out this season, why not have Mikey do the same for Raph? once again, it would bring up both Raph & Mikey's characters to better usage, and give both of them at least Some type of Arc or at least something with at least a Tiny bit of depth...

But yeah, that won't happen.