The Batman/Joker fued finally comes to an end (spoilers)

*CyberCubed* · 04-29-2015, 02:24 PM

Spoilers for Batman Endgame:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/04/29/batman-40-review

Batman and Joker die in the latest issue of Endgame. Batman and Joker fight to the death in the bottom of a cave and both bleed out and die after a bloody battle.

Commission Gordron will be wearing an armorized Bat-suit to continue the mantle now that Bruce is gone. Joker is finally dead, at least until the next big reboot.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 04-29-2015, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Spoilers for Batman Endgame:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/04/29/batman-40-review

Batman and Joker die in the latest issue of Endgame. Batman and Joker fight to the death in the bottom of a cave and both bleed out and die after a bloody battle.

Commission Gordron will be wearing an armorized Bat-suit to continue the mantle now that Bruce is gone. Joker is finally dead, at least until the next big reboot.

It's DC. Bruce and Joker will both be back... Bruce in, I'm gonna say, 6 months. Joker in 2 years.

Still, it was a pretty awesome issue. Brutal beatdown.

*Whatswiththeheadbands?* · 04-29-2015, 02:43 PM

Should rename this thread to 'DC pulls a 'Superior Spider-man' stunt on Batman'

*CyberCubed* · 04-29-2015, 02:54 PM

I think Batman and Joker will stay dead this time until the end of this universe. They're probably going to do away with the New 52 soon and restart everything in a few years.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 04-29-2015, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I think Batman and Joker will stay dead this time until the end of this universe. They're probably going to do away with the New 52 soon and restart everything in a few years.

That's splitting hairs. The New 52 barely changed anything for the Batman continuity... just little niggling bits like Tim Drake was never "Robin" or Jason Todd having the hots for Babs. Pretty much every main storyline from before Nu52 still holds water. Or at least does if you don't think too hard about it.

6 months until Bruce, 2 years until Joker.

*ZariusTwo* · 04-29-2015, 03:44 PM

This isn't even the first time Joker's "died" this month. Pre-Flashpoint Joker was killed last week by Telos during Convergence after shooting Earth 2 Dick Grayson in the spine

Synder's already indicated the Gordon thing is only for ten months and will pay off in Issue 50.

And they are dropping the New 52 label after Convergence but are maintaining the continuity of that universe for the forseeable future, except their stories from this point forward won't always align with one another in terms of the timeline nor will they line up with a consistent tone. Bruce will still appear as Batman during the Darksied War in Justice League.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 04-29-2015, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

This isn't even the first time Joker's "died" this month. Pre-Flashpoint Joker was killed last week by Telos during Convergence after shooting Earth 2 Dick Grayson in the spine

Synder's already indicated the Gordon thing is only for ten months and will pay off in Issue 50.

And they are dropping the New 52 label after Convergence but are maintaining the continuity of that universe for the forseeable future, except their stories from this point forward won't always align with one another in terms of the timeline nor will they line up with a consistent tone. Bruce will still appear as Batman during the Darksied War in Justice League.

And DC pays their editors to do WHAT exactly?

*sdp* · 05-01-2015, 10:55 AM

Continuity is such a headache now, especially after this new 52 crap, the cluster****s of Crisis of Infinite earths seem easier to follow through summaries than this. Tim Drake not being Robin considered only a minor retcon?

I don't understand why they don't understand that getting more mainstream people into comics is impossible. They should embrace continuity and try to do the best of it. And just try to make some storylines perfectly understandable with only the basic knowledge of what the superheroes are as great starting points for new readers who can just google everything else in the day of the internet, finding out why of things is really easy, but not so much finding out what is in continuity.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 05-01-2015, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by <TmNtRoX-1997>

Continuity is such a headache now, especially after this new 52 crap, the cluster****s of Crisis of Infinite earths seem easier to follow through summaries than this. Tim Drake not being Robin considered only a minor retcon?

It's a naming convention. Really, what is the difference between "Robin" and "Red Robin?"

*sdp* · 05-01-2015, 11:57 AM

So all his stories still happened but now as Red Robin?

still that is far from just a naming convention, Drake being the third Robin is a pretty important thing, he isn't just another vigilante, he was Batman's partner for 20 years or so. Maybe the solo Robin comic stories still work fine or the Titans stories but not the Batman stories.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 05-01-2015, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by <TmNtRoX-1997>

So all his stories still happened but now as Red Robin?

still that is far from just a naming convention, Drake being the third Robin is a pretty important thing, he isn't just another vigilante, he was Batman's partner for 20 years or so. Maybe the solo Robin comic stories still work fine or the Titans stories but not the Batman stories.

It's easy to think of it that way. "Red Robin" is a much lesser change than, say, Helena Bertinelli or Stephanie Brown.

*sdp* · 05-01-2015, 12:25 PM

how did they change those two?

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 05-01-2015, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by <TmNtRoX-1997>

how did they change those two?

Helena's entire backstory as a mob boss's daughter and identity as Huntress was removed. She's now a Spyral agent meeting Dick Grayson for the first time.

Stephanie Brown's entire backstory, stint as Robin, Batgirl, everything, has been redacted and she was just reintroduced in Batman Eternal. It didn't do much by her, but it did do some pretty cool stuff with her dad Cluemaster.

*CyberCubed* · 05-01-2015, 08:19 PM

I'm still baffled why we had two dead Robin's come back to life. Bringing Jason Todd back as Red Hood and then Damian and giving him superpowers is just...ridiculous.

They should have just stayed with Nightwing and Tim Drake as Robin and left it at that. There's a reason that lineup worked for nearly two decades.

*ZariusTwo* · 05-02-2015, 08:30 PM

Don't forget Stephanie was another "dead" Robin for a time, then they revealed her death was faked anyway

04-29-2015, 02:24 PM	#1
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,878	The Batman/Joker fued finally comes to an end (spoilers) Spoilers for Batman Endgame: http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/04/29/batman-40-review Batman and Joker die in the latest issue of Endgame. Batman and Joker fight to the death in the bottom of a cave and both bleed out and die after a bloody battle. Commission Gordron will be wearing an armorized Bat-suit to continue the mantle now that Bruce is gone. Joker is finally dead, at least until the next big reboot.

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ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,491	This isn't even the first time Joker's "died" this month. Pre-Flashpoint Joker was killed last week by Telos during Convergence after shooting Earth 2 Dick Grayson in the spine Synder's already indicated the Gordon thing is only for ten months and will pay off in Issue 50. And they are dropping the New 52 label after Convergence but are maintaining the continuity of that universe for the forseeable future, except their stories from this point forward won't always align with one another in terms of the timeline nor will they line up with a consistent tone. Bruce will still appear as Batman during the Darksied War in Justice League. __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks Last edited by ZariusTwo; 04-29-2015 at 03:51 PM.

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04-29-2015, 02:54 PM	#4
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,878	I think Batman and Joker will stay dead this time until the end of this universe. They're probably going to do away with the New 52 soon and restart everything in a few years.

05-01-2015, 10:55 AM	#8
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,221	Continuity is such a headache now, especially after this new 52 crap, the cluster****s of Crisis of Infinite earths seem easier to follow through summaries than this. Tim Drake not being Robin considered only a minor retcon? I don't understand why they don't understand that getting more mainstream people into comics is impossible. They should embrace continuity and try to do the best of it. And just try to make some storylines perfectly understandable with only the basic knowledge of what the superheroes are as great starting points for new readers who can just google everything else in the day of the internet, finding out why of things is really easy, but not so much finding out what is in continuity.

05-01-2015, 11:57 AM	#10
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,221	So all his stories still happened but now as Red Robin? still that is far from just a naming convention, Drake being the third Robin is a pretty important thing, he isn't just another vigilante, he was Batman's partner for 20 years or so. Maybe the solo Robin comic stories still work fine or the Titans stories but not the Batman stories.

05-01-2015, 12:25 PM	#12
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,221	how did they change those two?

05-01-2015, 08:19 PM	#14
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,878	I'm still baffled why we had two dead Robin's come back to life. Bringing Jason Todd back as Red Hood and then Damian and giving him superpowers is just...ridiculous. They should have just stayed with Nightwing and Tim Drake as Robin and left it at that. There's a reason that lineup worked for nearly two decades.