In-universe explanations for season 8-10

TurtleFan2012 · 05-15-2015, 12:56 PM

I know the real reason for the changes in season 8-10 was to keep kids interested in the OT.

Here are my in-universe explanations of why the characters are more serious...

The turtles were teenagers when the show started. Most teens like to have fun and goof around. They are older in the red sky era. When people get older, they are mature and serious. The reason why Shredder and Krang are less jokey is because they are fed up with the turtles foiling their plans. You would be bitter too if you lost your army and fortress.

What do you guys think?

*neatoman* · 05-15-2015, 01:08 PM

I've heard another theory, that it takes place in an alternate universe. This would also explain how the Technodrome got upgraded in Turtles Forever despite the fact that we never saw the upgraded version in the show, we never did because the Red Sky seasons took place in a seperate universe.

Yeah I know I'm basically inviting pissing and moaning to this thread by mentioning Turtles Forever, but considering that the movie shows the OVA to be seperate from the FW cartoon, the 2007 movie from the 90's movies and Image from Mirage, it's a pretty decent theory.

*Powder* · 05-15-2015, 01:24 PM

Either theory could work. I liked the former until I read the latter, now I can't decide which I dig best.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 05-15-2015, 01:24 PM

Did any kids ever actually see the Red Sky seasons? I only ever saw one episode, where there was a cool new theme song and the Turtles mutating into new forms... plus some weird kid.

I now know what it all was, but I never actually saw it on TV. <shrug>

*Powder* · 05-15-2015, 01:31 PM

I saw most of it as a kid. Not the Titanus stuff, but the episodes with their secondary mutations.

Klunk1234 · 05-15-2015, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Did any kids ever actually see the Red Sky seasons? I only ever saw one episode, where there was a cool new theme song and the Turtles mutating into new forms... plus some weird kid.

I now know what it all was, but I never actually saw it on TV. <shrug>

I saw the Red Sky season...Well, thanks to YouTube. The Turtles are serious and Raph is aggressive as you see in the opening theme, he lifts freaking Roocksteady easily and the guy that is with them is their new ally. His name is Carter.

*CyberCubed* · 05-15-2015, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Did any kids ever actually see the Red Sky seasons? I only ever saw one episode, where there was a cool new theme song and the Turtles mutating into new forms... plus some weird kid.

I now know what it all was, but I never actually saw it on TV. <shrug>

I saw all 3 seasons when they aired, they all aired on CBS. It was the same channel that aired TMNT regularly since Season 5.

*Jephael* · 05-15-2015, 03:15 PM

I like to think the entire red sky era was just a really bad acid trip Michaelangelo was having.

*Wesley* · 05-15-2015, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I saw all 3 seasons when they aired, they all aired on CBS. It was the same channel that aired TMNT regularly since Season 5.

I saw all 3 seasons as well. In Ireland, they aired on the TV channel RTE Two and were repeated along with the other seasons from the late 90s to late 00s.

I first saw season 8 in 1995 and the first episode blew me away. The last episode of the season, Turtle Trek, wasn't aired at the time for some reason and was replaced with a repeat of "Enter: Krakus". The cartoon was then repeated from the beginning and it was only in 1998 that seasons 9 and 10 finally aired along with Turtle Trek.

I thought seasons 8 and 10 were good. 9 was bad, but it had a few decent episodes.

*CyberCubed* · 05-15-2015, 05:15 PM

I pretty much watched the entire original cartoon faithfully from beginning to end. Funny thing is I was only 12 years old when Season 10 was airing, the end of the show.

I remember I was 13 when Next Mutation began. Its hard to believe the entire original cartoon was over before I hit my teens.

*snake* · 05-15-2015, 06:07 PM

Is it that much of a mental stretch to believe that the show just happened? I mean, the red sky seasons have a tonal shift, but there aren't any signs that they occur in seperate universes.

*CyberCubed* · 05-15-2015, 06:11 PM

Many shows also go through animation changes in the later years, heck the 4kids series went through two of them itself, so it isn't unusual.

Even B:TAS to the final Batman season had redesigns for all the villains.

*snake* · 05-15-2015, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Many shows also go through animation changes in the later years, heck the 4kids series went through two of them itself, so it isn't unusual.

Even B:TAS to the final Batman season had redesigns for all the villains.

Scarecrow's second design was strange. A little like the current rat king.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 05-15-2015, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by snake

Scarecrow's second design was strange. A little like the current rat king.

Agreed. I did like the noose, though.

*Coola Yagami* · 05-15-2015, 08:20 PM

That's the thing.... I never saw Red Sky on TV..... Was there some hiatus between the regular OT series and Red Sky? I remember by the time Sonic came along, they stopped showing TMNT on CBS and it was Sonic's turn to take over. Then shortly after they cancelled saturday morning cartoons for educational programs. So um... never got to see Red Sky....

*oldmanwinters* · 05-15-2015, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

That's the thing.... I never saw Red Sky on TV..... Was there some hiatus between the regular OT series and Red Sky? I remember by the time Sonic came along, they stopped showing TMNT on CBS and it was Sonic's turn to take over. Then shortly after they cancelled saturday morning cartoons for educational programs. So um... never got to see Red Sky....

Sonic was on ABC at the time. I don't remember what time slot the TMNT had, but I think Fox Kids Saturday morning was dominating the children's programming block with Power Rangers, Batman, and X-Men.

I only rarely caught any of the Red Sky episodes. I really liked the movie clips in the theme song, but the 2nd mutations and Carter just kinda bored me.

The Coffee Man · 05-15-2015, 08:31 PM

Maybe the Red Sky seasons are the equivalent of 2K3's Same As It Never Was and is just a possible bad future yet still has a place in the multiverse. This does not explain why the sky is always red though.

*oldmanwinters* · 05-15-2015, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The Coffee Man

Maybe the Red Sky seasons are the equivalent of 2K3's Same As It Never Was and is just a possible bad future yet still has a place in the multiverse. This does not explain why the sky is always red though.

There was a final cancelled Turtle Tips short that showed kids what happened when pollution forever blocks out the sun... somehow it became the basis of three seasons' worth of episodes.

*CyberCubed* · 05-15-2015, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

That's the thing.... I never saw Red Sky on TV..... Was there some hiatus between the regular OT series and Red Sky? I remember by the time Sonic came along, they stopped showing TMNT on CBS and it was Sonic's turn to take over. Then shortly after they cancelled saturday morning cartoons for educational programs. So um... never got to see Red Sky....

In New York it aired Saturday Mornings at 11am I believe. It was part of the action block along with Skeleton Warriors and Wild Cats.

~~Leo656~~ · 05-16-2015, 12:36 AM

I was more a comic book fan as a kid, and according to DC lore, specifically "Crisis on Infinite Earths" and related stories, the skies turning red was a sign of impending Multiversal collapse, or at the least, a sign that a universe within the Multiverse was about to be destroyed.

The Red Sky seasons were the last ones before the show was cancelled and that specific TMNT universe "died". Also explains the "darker" tone, as Crisis tie-in stories always were darker and more "serious" than normal stories.

So it all made perfect sense to me as a kid and even more now.

05-15-2015, 12:56 PM	#1
TurtleFan2012 Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 300	In-universe explanations for season 8-10 I know the real reason for the changes in season 8-10 was to keep kids interested in the OT. Here are my in-universe explanations of why the characters are more serious... The turtles were teenagers when the show started. Most teens like to have fun and goof around. They are older in the red sky era. When people get older, they are mature and serious. The reason why Shredder and Krang are less jokey is because they are fed up with the turtles foiling their plans. You would be bitter too if you lost your army and fortress. What do you guys think?

05-15-2015, 01:24 PM	#4
CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy Annalist Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 16,435	Did any kids ever actually see the Red Sky seasons? I only ever saw one episode, where there was a cool new theme song and the Turtles mutating into new forms... plus some weird kid. I now know what it all was, but I never actually saw it on TV. <shrug> __________________ *ALL THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED*

05-15-2015, 03:15 PM	#8
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,142	I like to think the entire red sky era was just a really bad acid trip Michaelangelo was having. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988 Last edited by Jephael; 05-15-2015 at 03:23 PM.

05-15-2015, 08:20 PM	#15
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,653	That's the thing.... I never saw Red Sky on TV..... Was there some hiatus between the regular OT series and Red Sky? I remember by the time Sonic came along, they stopped showing TMNT on CBS and it was Sonic's turn to take over. Then shortly after they cancelled saturday morning cartoons for educational programs. So um... never got to see Red Sky.... __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

05-15-2015, 01:24 PM	#3
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	Either theory could work. I liked the former until I read the latter, now I can't decide which I dig best.

05-15-2015, 01:31 PM	#5
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	I saw most of it as a kid. Not the Titanus stuff, but the episodes with their secondary mutations.

05-15-2015, 05:15 PM	#10
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,713	I pretty much watched the entire original cartoon faithfully from beginning to end. Funny thing is I was only 12 years old when Season 10 was airing, the end of the show. I remember I was 13 when Next Mutation began. Its hard to believe the entire original cartoon was over before I hit my teens.

05-15-2015, 06:07 PM	#11
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	Is it that much of a mental stretch to believe that the show just happened? I mean, the red sky seasons have a tonal shift, but there aren't any signs that they occur in seperate universes.

05-15-2015, 06:11 PM	#12
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,713	Many shows also go through animation changes in the later years, heck the 4kids series went through two of them itself, so it isn't unusual. Even B:TAS to the final Batman season had redesigns for all the villains.

05-15-2015, 08:31 PM	#17
The Coffee Man Random Punk Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Canada Posts: 21	Maybe the Red Sky seasons are the equivalent of 2K3's Same As It Never Was and is just a possible bad future yet still has a place in the multiverse. This does not explain why the sky is always red though.

05-16-2015, 12:36 AM	#20
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I was more a comic book fan as a kid, and according to DC lore, specifically "Crisis on Infinite Earths" and related stories, the skies turning red was a sign of impending Multiversal collapse, or at the least, a sign that a universe within the Multiverse was about to be destroyed. The Red Sky seasons were the last ones before the show was cancelled and that specific TMNT universe "died". Also explains the "darker" tone, as Crisis tie-in stories always were darker and more "serious" than normal stories. So it all made perfect sense to me as a kid and even more now.