Could this new movie be a soft-reboot?

*CyberCubed* · 05-28-2015, 07:52 PM

Do you think this new movie isn't TMNT 2 per se, but rather a soft-reboot of the first? Meaning they'll acknowledge the events of the first film, but everything will be all new?

- We have recast galore, with a new Shredder and Karai. We have new actors like Casey Jones, Bebop/Rocksteady, Baxter, and the original 1990 April returning.

- The Foot Clan have been redesigned to look more like ninja's unlike the army guys they were in the first film.

- Shredder looks like he's going to wear more traditional armor in this film, unlike the transformer Shredder.

While some things are the same like Megan Fox as April and Vernon is back as well as the same actors for the Turtles, we might even see the Turtles designs tweaked or changed. Maybe even a backstory between Splinter and Shredder.

*Panda_Kahn_fan* · 05-28-2015, 07:55 PM

Oh, how I wish it was! If Bay and the writers were replaced, and a new creative team were on board for this, most fans would be all over this like flies on honey-even with Megan Fox and Will Arnett still there.

*TurtleTitan97* · 05-28-2015, 07:58 PM

I just wish it was an actual reboot and Nick canceled this film franchise just like they did with The Last Airbender.

*TigerClaw* · 05-28-2015, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Do you think this new movie isn't TMNT 2 per se, but rather a soft-reboot of the first? Meaning they'll acknowledge the events of the first film, but everything will be all new?

- We have recast galore, with a new Shredder and Karai. We have new actors like Casey Jones, Bebop/Rocksteady, Baxter, and the original 1990 April returning.

- The Foot Clan have been redesigned to look more like ninja's unlike the army guys they were in the first film.

- Shredder looks like he's going to wear more traditional armor in this film, unlike the transformer Shredder.

While some things are the same like Megan Fox as April and Vernon is back as well as the same actors for the Turtles, we might even see the Turtles designs tweaked or changed. Maybe even a backstory between Splinter and Shredder.

It could be, The fact the Shredder is a lot younger in the sequel, Could explain that Shredder in the 1st movie, Might have been Oroki Nagi, He was never referred to by any name, but the Shredder in the 1st one.

It's entirely possible that this Shredder will be Oroku Saki in the sequel.

*sdp* · 05-28-2015, 08:14 PM

That's what I think so as I posted on the other thread. But by soft reboot I'm thinking something along the lines of the second GI Joe movie. The original movie had a bunch of rewrites and they kind of saw the rewrites were the most popular elements of the movie so they want to incorporate more of that in the sequel but they don't want to reboot the franchise. So yeah maybe clear up a few lose ends but also stir away from the first movie. Sachs can continue in a much smaller role and retcon/fit the Foot back into the turtles continuity. A small "that stupid armor sachs made was terrible" comment from Shredder would even fix that and counting they added the "we're not aliens" joke in the first movie it's entirely possible.

*Andrew NDB* · 05-28-2015, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Maybe even a backstory between Splinter and Shredder.

It's so weird that we would even have to actively hope for that.

*oldmanwinters* · 05-28-2015, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It's so weird that we would even have to actively hope for that.

Quoted for Truth.

*TrickOrTreater* · 05-28-2015, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It's so weird that we would even have to actively hope for that.

So weird, so depressing.

*NinjaPug* · 05-28-2015, 08:59 PM

Other than going the reincarnation route there really isn't a way to have a Splinter / Shredder backstory.

I'm still trying to figure out how Splinter even knew who Shredder was in the movie.

*TrickOrTreater* · 05-28-2015, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NinjaPug

Other than going the reincarnation route there really isn't a way to have a Splinter / Shredder backstory.

I'm still trying to figure out how Splinter even knew who Shredder was in the movie.

Toilet ninja book?

*Coola Yagami* · 05-28-2015, 09:06 PM

Forget the first movie ever happened. Let's wipe that mess out of existence and move on ahead with a soft reboot. Like the Incredible Hulk was to the Hulk. I like how the movie isn't really called 'II' anywhere.

*CyberCubed* · 05-28-2015, 09:34 PM

If the Turtles are redesigned in this movie with no noses, as well as smaller and thinner and not 4 Hulks...I will jump for joy.

Sure, the actual plot of the movie might be as bad as the first, but the design changes go a long way.

graphic_content · 05-28-2015, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

If the Turtles are redesigned in this movie with no noses, as well as smaller and thinner and not 4 Hulks...I will jump for joy.

Sure, the actual plot of the movie might be as bad as the first, but the design changes go a long way.

agreed.

and if we're honest, the plot lines for the ANY turtles film have not historically been the greatest.

90's TMNT - arguably the best in the entire series was basically Danny: The Movie. And while the whole, kids disappearing to join the Foot was a good solid angle, their execution was laughable.

SOTO - Again, good theory, Shredder creating his own mutants to combat the Turtles - but execution? can you say 'Mama'? so stupid.

TMNT-3 - no, just no.

Imagi-TMNT - monsters, portals, Winters living forever wanting to finally die. some elements were good, but the Foot played disposable grunts, and the monsters were just an excuse to give the Turtles something to fight.

PD-TMNT...even as a fan of the film, I scratched my head as to why they so OBVIOUSLY rehashed The Amazing Spiderman. Seriously the writers need to be asked that question straight up, and demanded an actual answer.

****

To get back on topic:

- if they go the whole NAGI/SAKI route

- if they introduced Yoshi (via IDW) reincarnation

- if there are actual engaging close combat sequences that arent delegated to just throwing members of the Foot around

- and for CYBER's sake, tone down the nostrils

...then this could be a successful 'soft-reboot'. other franchises have done it, i do not see why this couldnt.

*Coola Yagami* · 05-28-2015, 10:14 PM

One thing about the 90's TMNT people (Nostalgia Critic) make fun if Shredder's plan. Well... the movie wasn't about some big master plan. Shredder already succeeded. He had a ninja clan that would span generations of any youth that felt alone in the world, and they were already robbing the city blind uncontested until the turtles came along. There was no plan. He already succeeded. It's like asking what's Kingpin's master plan. He doesn't need one. He already runs the city.

Huzzah · 05-28-2015, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

If the Turtles are redesigned in this movie with no noses, as well as smaller and thinner and not 4 Hulks...I will jump for joy.

Sure, the actual plot of the movie might be as bad as the first, but the design changes go a long way.

You have an unhealthy obsession with nostrils/noses, no offense meant of course. I actually have very little issue with the faces used, the sheer amount of expression they presented was amazing, though Hulk sized, super mutants were unnecessary, so I hope that is addressed.

*TrickOrTreater* · 05-28-2015, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

One thing about the 90's TMNT people (Nostalgia Critic) make fun if Shredder's plan. Well... the movie wasn't about some big master plan. Shredder already succeeded. He had a ninja clan that would span generations of any youth that felt alone in the world, and they were already robbing the city blind uncontested until the turtles came along. There was no plan. He already succeeded. It's like asking what's Kingpin's master plan. He doesn't need one. He already runs the city.

And that's why it's so goddamn genius.

Bring over an elite group of highly trained Ninja from Japan. Set up shop, begin building your criminal empire.

Now, your group of highly trained Ninjas can't live forever. You're going to need to build an army. An army TRAINED by those elite Ninjas from Japan, who are utterly loyal and devoted to you and only you.

Can't use adults. Their minds aren't nearly as moldable and they'll never be truly devoted to you.

Kids. Kids with no or bad families. Desperate kids with nowhere to go, kids with moldable minds.

Bring them in, give them everything they could want, all the while indoctrinating them into thinking they're a family, you're their father., building their skill in the meantime by committing silent, petty theft.

Until they're old enough/strong enough. Then, after they are completely loyal to you in every way, train them in the ways of your ninja clan.

An unlimited army of completely loyal ninja assassins for as long as you're alive, amassing your criminal empire to its highest peak.

So, so, so genius.

*Powder* · 05-28-2015, 10:29 PM

Yeah, that was a kick ass idea. I don't care what anyone else says. He was like samurai Vader meets cult leader. It doesn't really get more badass than that.

*CyberCubed* · 05-28-2015, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Huzzah

You have an unhealthy obsession with nostrils/noses, no offense meant of course. I actually have very little issue with the faces used, the sheer amount of expression they presented was amazing, though Hulk sized, super mutants were unnecessary, so I hope that is addressed.

I think I was mentally traumatized by the noses/nostrils when I first saw them. They were so hideous and it made me realize the movie would be awful.

There's a reason the Turtles never had noses in any other incarnation.

~~Leo656~~ · 05-28-2015, 10:56 PM

I think you were mentally traumatized when your parents set up your swing set only three feet away from the back of the goddamn house.

*IndigoErth* · 05-28-2015, 11:35 PM

I feel bad for laughing that that...

Really, it took me a LONG time to warm up to a degree to the designs myself, it was like working through the stages of grief.

But it's healthier to reach the end stage at some point... I can deal with it at this point, but that's wasn't without work on my part in finding those moments that it wasn't so bad. (And just cringe and get through those moments it is. lol)

05-28-2015, 07:52 PM	#1
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,716	Could this new movie be a soft-reboot? Do you think this new movie isn't TMNT 2 per se, but rather a soft-reboot of the first? Meaning they'll acknowledge the events of the first film, but everything will be all new? - We have recast galore, with a new Shredder and Karai. We have new actors like Casey Jones, Bebop/Rocksteady, Baxter, and the original 1990 April returning. - The Foot Clan have been redesigned to look more like ninja's unlike the army guys they were in the first film. - Shredder looks like he's going to wear more traditional armor in this film, unlike the transformer Shredder. While some things are the same like Megan Fox as April and Vernon is back as well as the same actors for the Turtles, we might even see the Turtles designs tweaked or changed. Maybe even a backstory between Splinter and Shredder.

05-28-2015, 07:55 PM	#2
Panda_Kahn_fan Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,715	Oh, how I wish it was! If Bay and the writers were replaced, and a new creative team were on board for this, most fans would be all over this like flies on honey-even with Megan Fox and Will Arnett still there. __________________ My TMNT fanfic: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/1266176...n-a-Half-Shell IDW is the best version of TMNT If they make a TMNT reboot movie retelling the shredder battle/origin, I won't buy a ticket.

05-28-2015, 07:58 PM	#3
TurtleTitan97 Space Cowboy Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Speed Force Posts: 7,043	I just wish it was an actual reboot and Nick canceled this film franchise just like they did with The Last Airbender. __________________

05-28-2015, 09:06 PM	#11
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,653	Forget the first movie ever happened. Let's wipe that mess out of existence and move on ahead with a soft reboot. Like the Incredible Hulk was to the Hulk. I like how the movie isn't really called 'II' anywhere. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

05-28-2015, 10:14 PM	#14
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,653	One thing about the 90's TMNT people (Nostalgia Critic) make fun if Shredder's plan. Well... the movie wasn't about some big master plan. Shredder already succeeded. He had a ninja clan that would span generations of any youth that felt alone in the world, and they were already robbing the city blind uncontested until the turtles came along. There was no plan. He already succeeded. It's like asking what's Kingpin's master plan. He doesn't need one. He already runs the city. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

05-28-2015, 08:14 PM	#5
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,134	That's what I think so as I posted on the other thread. But by soft reboot I'm thinking something along the lines of the second GI Joe movie. The original movie had a bunch of rewrites and they kind of saw the rewrites were the most popular elements of the movie so they want to incorporate more of that in the sequel but they don't want to reboot the franchise. So yeah maybe clear up a few lose ends but also stir away from the first movie. Sachs can continue in a much smaller role and retcon/fit the Foot back into the turtles continuity. A small "that stupid armor sachs made was terrible" comment from Shredder would even fix that and counting they added the "we're not aliens" joke in the first movie it's entirely possible.

05-28-2015, 08:59 PM	#9
NinjaPug Foot Elite Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4,390	Other than going the reincarnation route there really isn't a way to have a Splinter / Shredder backstory. I'm still trying to figure out how Splinter even knew who Shredder was in the movie.

05-28-2015, 09:34 PM	#12
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,716	If the Turtles are redesigned in this movie with no noses, as well as smaller and thinner and not 4 Hulks...I will jump for joy. Sure, the actual plot of the movie might be as bad as the first, but the design changes go a long way.

05-28-2015, 10:29 PM	#17
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	Yeah, that was a kick ass idea. I don't care what anyone else says. He was like samurai Vader meets cult leader. It doesn't really get more badass than that.

05-28-2015, 10:56 PM	#19
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I think you were mentally traumatized when your parents set up your swing set only three feet away from the back of the goddamn house.

05-28-2015, 11:35 PM	#20
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,287	I feel bad for laughing that that... Really, it took me a LONG time to warm up to a degree to the designs myself, it was like working through the stages of grief. But it's healthier to reach the end stage at some point... I can deal with it at this point, but that's wasn't without work on my part in finding those moments that it wasn't so bad. (And just cringe and get through those moments it is. lol)