What DO you want, then?

*Panda_Kahn_fan* · 05-31-2015, 01:40 PM

Okay, in all of the other threads on this board, I've seen the bashing, the fighting, the hate and venom fly in every direction either for or against the 2014 TMNT film. I personally think it was a movie with a LOT of stuff wrong with it, had a few tiny things that I liked, and just passed it off as a mediocre popcorn summer flick- I don't love it, but I don't hate it, either.

But the question I pose in this thread is; what DO you want in a good TMNT movie, first in it's series? What characters, setting, tone, etc., are you looking for? This isn't a thread to just pick up arguing over the movie we got- rather, this is the place to talk about what we would have gotten had Bay just say back, put his name on the picture, and raked in the cash from a film with a director who knew what he was doing? I want to know what you'd would have wanted to see, and what you'd hate seeing. No fighting or yelling about other versions or other people's tastes. Discuss the ideas, fine... but don't fight over em!

Now, I'd personally have loved to see a fell done origin, with 4kids in tone, and characters from the OT; Yoshi becomes Splinter, Shredder as the main villain, human rocksteady and bebop as his henchman, setting up their transformation in the sequel. Cycle of vengeance story kept in the form of shredder destroying Yoshi's life as a human. Ninja action and violence on the level of most PG-13 Hollywood action flicks where the good guys can hack, chop and slash their way through the grunts and kill them.

What I would not go see is a full-blown Mirage tale, with the gore, blood, and grit of 300. It personally holds no interest for me, I've seen enough frank miller angst-ridden bloodfests to last me a lifetime. But that's just my tastes, I know many others would love to see that. Also, I'd expect a good story, and good characters. I'd hate another summer popcorn flick without any sense of direction or tone.

So, what would all of you like to see in a TMNT movie? If you're opinion is different that everyone else- great! We all have different ideas on what we'd prefer. But I hope we can all agree that we'd rather have a coherent, quality movie, regardless of supporting characters and tone.

Oh, and no bringing up the film we got, except as an example of what you do or do not want! I don't want the fight in the other threads to spill over to here!

*The Boston Ninja Turtle* · 05-31-2015, 01:41 PM

how about some turtles..

*Panda_Kahn_fan* · 05-31-2015, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

how about some turtles..

Okay, how about some ideas beyond those that are a given?

*TheSkeletonMan939* · 05-31-2015, 01:45 PM

Give the turtles, you know, actual personalities.

And I'm not saying, like, "Raph is the angry one, Don is smart, Leo is leader, Mikey is funny". No. I want the characters to have reasons to like or dislike each other. Reasons to do what they do.

*TigerClaw* · 05-31-2015, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

Give the turtles, you know, actual personalities.

And I'm not saying, like, "Raph is the angry one, Don is smart, Leo is leader, Mikey is funny". No. I want the characters to have reasons to like or dislike each other. Reasons to do what they do.

Hopefully with the sequel, We can see Raph bonding more with Casey Jones, The reality is, Both Alan Ritchson and Stephen Amell know each other in RL, They used to work together on a TV show, So there's the potential for Raph developing more as a character, When he meets someone kind of like him.

~~Amaranthus~~ · 05-31-2015, 02:07 PM

More ass-shots.

*Foombamaroom* · 05-31-2015, 02:09 PM

"What do you want, then?"

A NEW REBOOT WITH DIFFERENT DIRECTORS, WRITERS, PRODUCERS AND ACTORS. Well, keep Pete, Jeremy, Noel, and Alan, and possibly Stephen.

Everyone else: get out.

*The Boston Ninja Turtle* · 05-31-2015, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Hopefully with the sequel, We can see Raph bonding more with Casey Jones, The reality is, Both Alan Ritchson and Stephen Amell know each other in RL, They used to work together on a TV show, So there's the potential for Raph developing more as a character, When he meets someone kind of like him.

yea right..they can bro fest in 1 minute and be best bros for life bro bro

*Panda_Kahn_fan* · 05-31-2015, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Foombamaroom

"What do you want, then?"

A NEW REBOOT WITH DIFFERENT DIRECTORS, WRITERS, PRODUCERS AND ACTORS. Well, keep Pete, Jeremy, Noel, and Alan, and possibly Stephen.

Everyone else: get out.

Not arguing with your stance; but again, these are all a given, mentioned in my first post. What are you looking for, story, plot, and character-wise?

*Panda_Kahn_fan* · 05-31-2015, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

yea right..they can bro fest in 1 minute and be best bros for life bro bro

*Sigh* Please, both of you, stop this...

I didn't ask about a sequel, I asked about a hypothetical moive made instead of this one.

*Warhorse* · 05-31-2015, 02:19 PM

What do I want, something that was more like the first Transformers, that had a decent story, good characters, and a good balance of comedy and seriousness. I thought the first Transformers was the way to go in bringing cartoon characters to life.

*The Boston Ninja Turtle* · 05-31-2015, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

Not arguing with your stance; but again, these are all a given, mentioned in my first post. What are you looking for, story, plot, and character-wise?

but it shouldnt be our job to write it for them..we should be vague and tell them the basics...especially since this team doesnt get it.fnot to pat lyself on the back but the first post shouldnt have been we want turtles..fans shouldnt baby a studio....we want turtles and a good story..thats the bones of it...its not my job to write the story for them to tell me...if it was i should get paid for it

*Warhorse* · 05-31-2015, 02:21 PM

But truth, I'd love it if they went along the grounds of the first Kick Ass movie, but I knew we would never get something like that.

*Panda_Kahn_fan* · 05-31-2015, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

but it shouldnt be our job to write it for them..we should be vague and tell them the basics...especially since this team doesnt get it.fnot to pat lyself on the back but the first post shouldnt have been we want turtles..fans shouldnt baby a studio....we want turtles and a good story..thats the bones of it...its not my job to write the story for them to tell me...if it was i should get paid for it

But this has nothing to do with the movie we got, or writing the story for them. It was a question about what people personally want to see in a tmnt movie.

*The Boston Ninja Turtle* · 05-31-2015, 02:27 PM

and i told you want i wanted...the turtles...as ninjas

*Panda_Kahn_fan* · 05-31-2015, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

and i told you want i wanted...the turtles...as ninjas

Ok, fair enough

*IndigoErth* · 05-31-2015, 03:53 PM

Turtle focus and perspective (why is that hard for the film makers to grasp). April's perspective: do not want. As been mentioned - ninjas. (Cutting ninja stuff out is like cutting out the fact that the Turtles are, you know, green.)

A really good well written, solid story. (That does not include stupid short cuts like ninja books or complicating some details in unnecessary ways because you're trying to be creative, while the parts that could use more creativity didn't get it.) As for the story itself, hell, I'd be perfectly fine if they told NEW stories (and in their case maybe that would be easier and less likely to get as much grief) just as long as they start out with a well told 96% intact classic origin, then move on to a new story once that is in place.

As for new ideas: I'd still love to see those horrid looking "alien" turtle design concepts repurposed and show up as alien enemies that our Turtles fight against. (Keeping our Turtles as born Earthlings.) That could be cool. They can show me something new like this, I'm OK with that - but (too late) do not screw with the foundation.

*Foombamaroom* · 05-31-2015, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

Not arguing with your stance; but again, these are all a given, mentioned in my first post. What are you looking for, story, plot, and character-wise?

For starters, I don't want choppy stories with plotholes. I would've liked the first movie much more if they kept Caucasian Shredder, due to the fact that they had so many plotholes in the version we got.

But storywise? Give Shredder a rest. Don't use him as the main antagonist for the first movie unless you're using him to introduce him to someone else, such as Krang, and have the series build up towards him. Use villains like Baxter Stockman, Slash, Rat King, Krang, Lord Dregg, Triceratons, BISHOP, etc. as main antagonists. And then, once the dust settles, give us Shredder in the 2nd or 3rd movie.

*pennydreadful* · 05-31-2015, 06:09 PM

What I would like:

- no Bay attached to the project at all, or Nemec/Applebaum. They're not the right people for this property.
- ninja fighting and focus on the Turtles at least equal to the 1990 film
- no sexist treatment of April
- coherent, cohesive story and original plot which doesn't retread the exact same ground as previous films; we know the origin, we don't need another "set up" movie to explain who everybody is
- a strong, fun soundtrack with some memorable songs
- well shot with no use of the current aggravating trends like shaky jump cuts and lens flares
- emphasis on practical effects where possible, using CG to complement
- good production design (inc. Turtle design)
- casting of people with strong acting/stunt/VA chops
- more mature tone; not necessarily UltraGrittyDark with gore and f-bombs a-flyin', but less kiddified than say, SoTO.

~~Commenter 42~~ · 05-31-2015, 06:57 PM

This has been done so many damn times around here, and the results are always the same.

NOBODY WANTS THE SAME THING. We all have our wish list's of head cannon and flights of fancy.

The Turtles are essentially a Rorschach test. It's like asking a room full of mothers which of their children is the most attractive.

They were never going to satisfy everyone.

Agreeing that we don't want PDMT is simple. Agreeing on what we do want...

LOL. Have fun with that.

05-31-2015, 01:40 PM	#1
Panda_Kahn_fan Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,715	What DO you want, then? Okay, in all of the other threads on this board, I've seen the bashing, the fighting, the hate and venom fly in every direction either for or against the 2014 TMNT film. I personally think it was a movie with a LOT of stuff wrong with it, had a few tiny things that I liked, and just passed it off as a mediocre popcorn summer flick- I don't love it, but I don't hate it, either. But the question I pose in this thread is; what DO you want in a good TMNT movie, first in it's series? What characters, setting, tone, etc., are you looking for? This isn't a thread to just pick up arguing over the movie we got- rather, this is the place to talk about what we would have gotten had Bay just say back, put his name on the picture, and raked in the cash from a film with a director who knew what he was doing? I want to know what you'd would have wanted to see, and what you'd hate seeing. No fighting or yelling about other versions or other people's tastes. Discuss the ideas, fine... but don't fight over em! Now, I'd personally have loved to see a fell done origin, with 4kids in tone, and characters from the OT; Yoshi becomes Splinter, Shredder as the main villain, human rocksteady and bebop as his henchman, setting up their transformation in the sequel. Cycle of vengeance story kept in the form of shredder destroying Yoshi's life as a human. Ninja action and violence on the level of most PG-13 Hollywood action flicks where the good guys can hack, chop and slash their way through the grunts and kill them. What I would not go see is a full-blown Mirage tale, with the gore, blood, and grit of 300. It personally holds no interest for me, I've seen enough frank miller angst-ridden bloodfests to last me a lifetime. But that's just my tastes, I know many others would love to see that. Also, I'd expect a good story, and good characters. I'd hate another summer popcorn flick without any sense of direction or tone. So, what would all of you like to see in a TMNT movie? If you're opinion is different that everyone else- great! We all have different ideas on what we'd prefer. But I hope we can all agree that we'd rather have a coherent, quality movie, regardless of supporting characters and tone. Oh, and no bringing up the film we got, except as an example of what you do or do not want! I don't want the fight in the other threads to spill over to here! __________________ My TMNT fanfic: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/1266176...n-a-Half-Shell IDW is the best version of TMNT If they make a TMNT reboot movie retelling the shredder battle/origin, I won't buy a ticket.

05-31-2015, 01:41 PM	#2
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The Boston Ninja Turtle Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Boston MA Posts: 2,440	and i told you want i wanted...the turtles...as ninjas __________________ I didn't choose the ninja turtle life. The ninja turtle life chose me. https://www.facebook.com/TheBostonNinjaTurtle

05-31-2015, 06:09 PM	#19
pennydreadful trash Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Australia Posts: 4,546	What I would like: - no Bay attached to the project at all, or Nemec/Applebaum. They're not the right people for this property. - ninja fighting and focus on the Turtles at least equal to the 1990 film - no sexist treatment of April - coherent, cohesive story and original plot which doesn't retread the exact same ground as previous films; we know the origin, we don't need another "set up" movie to explain who everybody is - a strong, fun soundtrack with some memorable songs - well shot with no use of the current aggravating trends like shaky jump cuts and lens flares - emphasis on practical effects where possible, using CG to complement - good production design (inc. Turtle design) - casting of people with strong acting/stunt/VA chops - more mature tone; not necessarily UltraGrittyDark with gore and f-bombs a-flyin', but less kiddified than say, SoTO. __________________ Creator of the Technodrome After Dark Discussion Group. PM for an invite (must be over 18 - no exceptions).

05-31-2015, 02:07 PM	#6
~~Amaranthus~~ Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: West-Flanders, Belgium Posts: 1,815	More ass-shots.

05-31-2015, 02:09 PM	#7
Foombamaroom Lord of Cinder Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 1,646	"What do you want, then?" A NEW REBOOT WITH DIFFERENT DIRECTORS, WRITERS, PRODUCERS AND ACTORS. Well, keep Pete, Jeremy, Noel, and Alan, and possibly Stephen. Everyone else: get out.

05-31-2015, 02:19 PM	#11
Warhorse Emperor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 5,544	What do I want, something that was more like the first Transformers, that had a decent story, good characters, and a good balance of comedy and seriousness. I thought the first Transformers was the way to go in bringing cartoon characters to life.

05-31-2015, 02:21 PM	#13
Warhorse Emperor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 5,544	But truth, I'd love it if they went along the grounds of the first Kick Ass movie, but I knew we would never get something like that.

05-31-2015, 03:53 PM	#17
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,295	Turtle focus and perspective (why is that hard for the film makers to grasp). April's perspective: do not want. As been mentioned - ninjas. (Cutting ninja stuff out is like cutting out the fact that the Turtles are, you know, green.) A really good well written, solid story. (That does not include stupid short cuts like ninja books or complicating some details in unnecessary ways because you're trying to be creative, while the parts that could use more creativity didn't get it.) As for the story itself, hell, I'd be perfectly fine if they told NEW stories (and in their case maybe that would be easier and less likely to get as much grief) just as long as they start out with a well told 96% intact classic origin, then move on to a new story once that is in place. As for new ideas: I'd still love to see those horrid looking "alien" turtle design concepts repurposed and show up as alien enemies that our Turtles fight against. (Keeping our Turtles as born Earthlings.) That could be cool. They can show me something new like this, I'm OK with that - but (too late) do not screw with the foundation.

05-31-2015, 06:57 PM	#20
~~Commenter 42~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 3,954	This has been done so many damn times around here, and the results are always the same. NOBODY WANTS THE SAME THING. We all have our wish list's of head cannon and flights of fancy. The Turtles are essentially a Rorschach test. It's like asking a room full of mothers which of their children is the most attractive. They were never going to satisfy everyone. Agreeing that we don't want PDMT is simple. Agreeing on what we do want... LOL. Have fun with that.