7 Things That Need To Happen In Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2

[Wildcat]

The reason Shredder was just in the shadows and the movie felt pieced together at times was because they listened to a bunch of internet whiners and changed it.

Sacks would have made a great Shredder, which he was meant to be originally. He played his part really well. He could have been his son taking over with new armor. Which was supposed to happen or something like that i guess.

Do research on the franchise...do NOT listen to - teh internetz.

And I don't care what anyone says. The Shredder armor was freaking awesome. It's only compared to Transformers because of Michael Bay. Though the Transformers designs (Optimus for sure and some faces) were inspired by samurai armor to begin with.

[CyberCubed]

Eric Sachs being Shredder was a terrible, terrible idea. Not quite as bad as Shredder being "Colonel Shrader" and being an alien with spikes coming out of him (good god, that was awful), but a white Shredder is pretty idiotic as well.

[IndigoErth]

Yeah, I kinda gotta go with Cubed on that one. Foundational stuff they shouldn't even have tampered with in the first place.

I've already said it in another thread, but will say so again... I'm cool with it if they want to tell new stories, but don't screw with the foundation. Establish that first intact, get the origin and characters right, then go off and be entirely original with new foes, I don't care. (Call them grown, say it's post-Shredder years but show his influence, that's fine.)

[Wildcat]

Sachs being Shredder is hardly a problem. He didn't have to be the "original" Shredder, just a new guy taking over. It's supposed to be a different take anyway.

Overall the turtles origin here is more creative than "both ooze and turtles accidentally fall into the sewer". The only real issue is them learning martial arts from a book they happen to find.

I don't know what else was changed or rearranged but it probably would have been a better put together movie if they didn't cave to internet complaints.

[Redeemer]

I agree with most of the list.

[IndigoErth]

We're talking about people whom when they "caved to complaints" they also decided to take a weird route and basically make Shredder Sacks' surrogate father.

They could have just as easily made them old friends. Or evil business partners even.

But no, they got weird about it. Even though their connection wasn't really given any importance. Even though they had cast a man in his 50s as Sacks, making Shredder presumably at least in his 70s (but somehow able to expertly use that new metal laden suit he had zero experience with).

Maybe complaining fans "ruined" something, but these people must have been drunk the whole time themselves because their own ideas sure didn't help it either.

[Shark_Blade]

Originally Posted by snake

Here's my list
1- Stop filming
2- Stop filming
3- Stop filming
4- Stop filming
5- Stop filming
6- Stop filming
7- Don't release the movie

1. They're still filming it. And the turtles are back.
2. Casey Jones will be in it.
3. Bebop & Rocksteady will be in it.
4. Baxter will be in it. And new Karai and Shredder.
5. Original movie April (Judith Hoag) will be in it.
6. The first one made $1/2 billion so they ain't stopping now.
7. Release date has been set to middle next year.

And last but not least, a special bonus #8th reason:

8. Megan Fox will be in it.


So much reasons to celebrate and rejoice!!!

[Wildcat]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

We're talking about people whom when they "caved to complaints" they also decided to take a weird route and basically make Shredder Sacks' surrogate father.

They could have just as easily made them old friends. Or evil business partners even.

But no, they got weird about it. Even though their connection wasn't really given any importance. Even though they had cast a man in his 50s as Sacks, making Shredder presumably at least in his 70s (but somehow able to expertly use that new metal laden suit he had zero experience with).

Maybe complaining fans "ruined" something, but these people must have been drunk the whole time themselves because their own ideas sure didn't help it either.

Being his adopted son is not weird. People get adopted but everything you're describing is most likely directly from listening to the complaints.

Had they stuck their version of Shredder they would not have had to do all that...lack of backstory, the odd age difference, Shredder able to use the suit.

Those could not have been their actual ideas when we know Sachs was supposed to be Shredder. That's what it became afterwards. Which of course would end up thrown together...because it was. Just because some people couldn't deal with a different Shredder.

[pdizzle]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

1. They're still filming it. And the turtles are back.
2. Casey Jones will be in it.
3. Bebop & Rocksteady will be in it.
4. Baxter will be in it. And new Karai and Shredder.
5. Original movie April (Judith Hoag) will be in it.
6. The first one made $1/2 billion so they ain't stopping now.
7. Release date has been set to middle next year.

And last but not least, a special bonus #8th reason:

8. Megan Fox will be in it.


So much reasons to celebrate and rejoice!!!

Man, sometimes I wonder if you seriously believe the things you say or you just try and get a rise out of people.

[jenna]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Maybe complaining fans "ruined" something, but these people must have been drunk the whole time themselves because their own ideas sure didn't help it either.

So true.

Anyway, it's a complete shelving of all responsibility to say that the last minute rethink / casting / poorly-cobbled-together-backstory of the major villain was the fans' fault - the fans weren't the professionals being paid to write a screenplay! It doesn't say "complaining fans" on the credits. Seriously. These guys are supposedly at the top of their field - paid millions for their expertise and talent. They should be able to get this stuff right or at the very least do it slightly wrong, but with enough quality and conviction for them to own it and stand by their decisions.

[Foombamaroom]

Sacks as Shredder would've been a terrible idea. However, it would've made this movie a little more enjoyable. It would give him and Splinter somewhat of a rivalry, and that would be better than what we got.

However, I'm glad we complained. It affected Ninja Turtles 1, yeah, but it also affected TMNT 2. Now, we've got an actual Shredder, actual FOOT NINJA, and probably a better story. Because, if we hadn't complained, we'd still have those goddamn Foot Soldiers with guns. If we had to sacrifice TMNT 1 so TMNT 2 could be "better", so be it. I'd rather have a bad movie that has some elements of the source material than a bad movie that has no elements of it. Well, actually, I'd rather they stop making TMNT movies, but hey, it's a cash cow so they're not going to.

[jenna]

Originally Posted by Foombamaroom

Sacks as Shredder would've been a terrible idea. However, it would've made this movie a little more enjoyable. It would give him and Splinter somewhat of a rivalry, and that would be better than what we got.

However, I'm glad we complained. It affected Ninja Turtles 1, yeah, but it also affected TMNT 2. Now, we've got an actual Shredder, actual FOOT NINJA, and probably a better story. Because, if we hadn't complained, we'd still have those goddamn Foot Soldiers with guns. If we had to sacrifice TMNT 1 so TMNT 2 could be "better", so be it. I'd rather have a bad movie that has some elements of the source material than a bad movie that has no elements of it. Well, actually, I'd rather they stop making TMNT movies, but hey, it's a cash cow so they're not going to.

Absolutely. It's just a shame that they didn't understand the property well enough to have - for example - a ninja Foot Clan from the outset. I mean, come on - it's basic stuff. The writers did not immerse themselves into the TMNT universe enough to know it sufficiently well to realise that there are some things you don't mess with.

They lacked confidence right from the start. When that Col Schraeder / alien turtles thing kicked off, all we got from Bay and co was back-peddling and denial. "It's not a current script"; "I was talking about the ooze"; "blah blah blah"... They took a brief look at the franchise, messed with it, and only then realised that some things are sacred when people called them on it. Then they panicked and tried to change things again.

It seems like they might be putting a number of things "right" (for want of a better word) for the sequel, but if they had just spent time getting to know the turtles and the franchise well, understanding what people love about it, a lot of this chaos could have been avoided and we would have had a better film to start with.

And... end rant.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

They can squeak and squeal real loud, different range of attacks. That'll be a hoot.

And they can do the musical I've been asking for at the end of the film with the turtles.

Still putting your dealer through college, I see. Or paying his bail, whatever.

[Ninturtle]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

1. They're still filming it. And the turtles are back.
2. Casey Jones will be in it.
3. Bebop & Rocksteady will be in it.
4. Baxter will be in it. And new Karai and Shredder.
5. Original movie April (Judith Hoag) will be in it.
6. The first one made $1/2 billion so they ain't stopping now.
7. Release date has been set to middle next year.

And last but not least, a special bonus #8th reason:

8. Megan Fox will be in it.


So much reasons to celebrate and rejoice!!!

1. The turtles will likely be over shadowed by the human cast
2. Casey Jones will probably be represented poorly
3 Bebop and Rocksteady will probably suck too.
4. Most of those characters sucked in the first film
5. A cameo or role of a character won't make it good
6. Anything turtles related will probably make alot of money ( except for a few things)
7. They have plenty of time to screw this movie up
8. You can't be serious , she's good looking but a terrible choice for April.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Wildcat

Being his adopted son is not weird.

My point was not that said 'adoption' is weird... my point was that it was a weird decision for the film makers. Instead of choosing to lay out a simple connection that doesn't have a domino effect on other elements and the second film.

Had they stuck their version of Shredder they would not have had to do all that...lack of backstory, the odd age difference, Shredder able to use the suit.

They didn't have to do all that anyhow. Tie them together instead as evil business partners - their age and back story now don't matter - roll cameras.

Originally Posted by Foombamaroom

However, I'm glad we complained. It affected Ninja Turtles 1, yeah, but it also affected TMNT 2. Now, we've got an actual Shredder, actual FOOT NINJA, and probably a better story.

Feel the same way. I can only hope the story itself will be better, but complaints as a 'necessary evil,' in a sense, at least got that train on a better track. (Even if it's still dragging a couple displaced cars behind it.) (And it did also score Brian Tee the Shredder job for the sequel in an industry were Asians tend to get a lot fewer roles, so that's also a plus. Hope he makes good on it and preforms the heck out of that role.)

[Xav]

Originally Posted by Wildcat

I don't know what else was changed or rearranged but it probably would have been a better put together movie if they didn't cave to internet complaints.

It they didn't cave to internet complaints we would have gotten a movie where the Turtles, Splinter and Shredder were aliens.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Xav

It they didn't cave to internet complaints we would have gotten a movie where the Turtles, Splinter and Shredder were aliens.

Which was the cinematic equivalent of the asteroid missing Earth and dinosaurs surviving. (Dodged a bullet.)

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Wildcat

The reason Shredder was just in the shadows and the movie felt pieced together at times was because they listened to a bunch of internet whiners and changed it.

Sacks would have made a great Shredder, which he was meant to be originally. He played his part really well. He could have been his son taking over with new armor. Which was supposed to happen or something like that i guess.

Do research on the franchise...do NOT listen to - teh internetz.

Had they stuck to their original vision Sachs would have been Col. Schrader and that Blue Door script would have been made and I think it's fair to say no one wants that.

We know their vision as we read and we didn't like it and seemingly neither did Paramount but they eventually bought it.

I'm not so sure that it was purely fan griping that got them to change things. We know the main instigator for the change was Michael Bay himself who felt the movie was too dark. The fact that someone said "well since we're pretty much re-shooting all this stuff howzabout we include that Saki guy everyone seems to want".

Not to mention that even before the re-shoots that happened after production had wrapped a few actors had publicly mentioned that during the initial production they were re-shooting things (not uncommon when making a movie) but that they were incorporating different ideas. Perhaps given that Paramount weren't fully on board with the their "vision" in the first place meant they were more receptive to listening to complaints?

I'd definitely say if they had a solid vision that everyone making the movie believed in then it couldn't have been dismantled so easily. If they felt they were on to something good then no amount of fan complaining would have changed their minds. As everyone said if it really should have been Saki from the start.

EDIT

Sorry. I quoted the wrong post making it seem I was replying to entirely different points.

[Shark_Blade]

Originally Posted by Ninturtle

1. The turtles will likely be over shadowed by the human cast
2. Casey Jones will probably be represented poorly
3 Bebop and Rocksteady will probably suck too.
4. Most of those characters sucked in the first film
5. A cameo or role of a character won't make it good
6. Anything turtles related will probably make alot of money ( except for a few things)
7. They have plenty of time to screw this movie up
8. You can't be serious , she's good looking but a terrible choice for April.

1. Not really. They have the perfect balance imo. Kinda like a godzilla/monster film, where they show bits and parts of the turtles until the reveal later on in the film. It worked.
2. He's hot.
3. They look great so far.
4. Not really.
5. Wolverine did a cameo in X-Men First Class and it was good. Judith Hoag? Even better.
6. No lies there.
7. Doubt it.
8. She's the best. If only you could open your mind and be more accepting of changes.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

1. Not really. They have the perfect balance imo. Kinda like a godzilla/monster film, where they show bits and parts of the turtles until the reveal later on in the film. It worked.
2. He's hot.
3. They look great so far.
4. Not really.
5. Wolverine did a cameo in X-Men First Class and it was good. Judith Hoag? Even better.
6. No lies there.
7. Doubt it.
8. She's the best. If only you could open your mind and be more accepting of changes.

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