7 Things That Need To Happen In Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Had they stuck to their original vision Sachs would have been Col. Schrader and that Blue Door script would have been made and I think it's fair to say no one wants that.

We know their vision as we read and we didn't like it and seemingly neither did Paramount but they eventually bought it.

I'm not so sure that it was purely fan griping that got them to change things. We know the main instigator for the change was Michael Bay himself who felt the movie was too dark. The fact that someone said "well since we're pretty much re-shooting all this stuff howzabout we include that Saki guy everyone seems to want".

Not to mention that even before the re-shoots that happened after production had wrapped a few actors had publicly mentioned that during the initial production they were re-shooting things (not uncommon when making a movie) but that they were incorporating different ideas. Perhaps given that Paramount weren't fully on board with the their "vision" in the first place meant they were more receptive to listening to complaints?

I'd definitely say if they had a solid vision that everyone making the movie believed in then it couldn't have been dismantled so easily. If they felt they were on to something good then no amount of fan complaining would have changed their minds. As everyone said if it really should have been Saki from the start.

people seem to forget that the first released trailer for the movie had sacks approaching the armor before any reshoots happened. also if i remember right( since my copy is currently packed away) the tmnt anniversary history books names sacks as shredder

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

1. Not really. They have the perfect balance imo. Kinda like a godzilla/monster film, where they show bits and parts of the turtles until the reveal later on in the film. It worked.
2. He's hot.
3. They look great so far.
4. Not really.
5. Wolverine did a cameo in X-Men First Class and it was good. Judith Hoag? Even better.
6. No lies there.
7. Doubt it.
8. She's the best. If only you could open your mind and be more accepting of changes.

seriously dude just stop, you arnt clever or smart or cute, you are just annoying...and not just to us who disliked the film, youve gone from harmless nuisance to straight up troll...get a life and watch some other movies or lock yourself in your room and lay under the covers with your cut outs of megan fox

[Leo656]

They're so obviously trying to portray an over-the-top super-irritating character to the Nth degree, and it's a wonder nobody's done anything about it by now. There is Zero chance that even one thing they opine is legitimate.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

people seem to forget that the first released trailer for the movie had sacks approaching the armor before any reshoots happened. also if i remember right( since my copy is currently packed away) the tmnt anniversary history books names sacks as shredder

Oh definitely. The changeover to Sacks as Shredder to some anonymous character was late in the game and definitely in those re-shoots after production wrapped.

Originally Posted by Wildcat

Being his adopted son is not weird. People get adopted but everything you're describing is most likely directly from listening to the complaints.

Had they stuck their version of Shredder they would not have had to do all that...lack of backstory, the odd age difference, Shredder able to use the suit.

Those could not have been their actual ideas when we know Sachs was supposed to be Shredder. That's what it became afterwards. Which of course would end up thrown together...because it was. Just because some people couldn't deal with a different Shredder.

Except we have an actual actor (Danny Woodburn) saying that the plot was was exactly the same as what was originally shot except for Sacks and Shredder being separate characters.

We know from the interview in Variety that the re-shoots where primarily because Michael Bay thought that Leibesman's first cut was too "mature" and ordered re-shoots with an emphasis on humor. The fact that they also took this opportunity to change the identity of the Shredder is neither here nor there; the motivation was primarily to please Bay any notions of pleasing fans was secondary.

Again this seems like an attempt to blame the movie sucking on the fans rather than admit it was just bad. Like I said there's assertions from various actors that even during shooting they were changing things but those were purely of their own motivation and kinda shows they didn't really know what they were doing. But if you're pinning you're entire argument on the one change they did that could arguably be said to please the fans then we know from the word of someone involved it had little affect on the rest of the movie.

Originally Posted by Leo656

They're so obviously trying to portray an over-the-top super-irritating character to the Nth degree, and it's a wonder nobody's done anything about it by now. There is Zero chance that even one thing they opine is legitimate.

I think a few posters are starting to go that route.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Leo656

They're so obviously trying to portray an over-the-top super-irritating character to the Nth degree, and it's a wonder nobody's done anything about it by now. There is Zero chance that even one thing they opine is legitimate.

That's what it is. Obvious. It's so grossly obvious and winking and smirking that it makes you want to...

Anyway, yeah, they're not a real person with real ideas. Just a troll.

[Leo656]

I don't like the internet because I can't stretch Jabronis in the Camel Clutch the way they deserve.

Worse than the fahcking Virgil. I swear.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I don't like the internet because I can't stretch Jabronis in the Camel Clutch the way they deserve.

Worse than the fahcking Virgil. I swear.

They totally deserve it.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

They totally deserve it.

Can we put it to a vote? Seriously, this kid has got to go.

[Jester]

Spoiler:

[Ninturtle]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I don't like the internet because I can't stretch Jabronis in the Camel Clutch the way they deserve.

Worse than the fahcking Virgil. I swear.

I'd like to drain all his blood , even if it kills him .

[Wildcat]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Except we have an actual actor (Danny Woodburn) saying that the plot was was exactly the same as what was originally shot except for Sacks and Shredder being separate characters.

Ya the plot. I meant the portrayal of Shredder. If they hadn't changed it to separate characters it probably would not have come off thrown together.

Again this seems like an attempt to blame the movie sucking on the fans rather than admit it was just bad. Like I said there's assertions from various actors that even during shooting they were changing things but those were purely of their own motivation and kinda shows they didn't really know what they were doing. But if you're pinning you're entire argument on the one change they did that could arguably be said to please the fans then we know from the word of someone involved it had little affect on the rest of the movie.

I wasn't blaming fan complaints for everything just the Shredder thing. I still think Sachs would have been good in the role.

I don't think the movie flat out sucked like a lot of people do. I thought it was ok for a turtle action movie. There were certain things I liked and disliked.

That's the problem with some people on here. Anyone who defends the movie or say they enjoyed it are automatically labeled as loving it and not caring about quality.

We're not saying it was fantastic. I'm not anyway. It is possible to still enjoy a subpar movie despite it not being the best. Everyone has something they've enjoyed despite knowing it wasn't great. Look at B movies and cult classics. Huge following.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Jester

Spoiler:

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...s._Zombies.png

wait, are we the Zombies?

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

wait, are we the Zombies?

No....I was actually looking for a new avatar and this came up and I felt both were apt descriptions.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Jester

No....I was actually looking for a new avatar and this came up and I felt both were apt descriptions.

Oh good, I hate zombies.

Meh, I mean I don't hate Zombies. I hate how people think zombies are scary. They're the least threatening of any horror trope. They're harmless.

So, uh, I love Zombies?

[jenna]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

people seem to forget that the first released trailer for the movie had sacks approaching the armor before any reshoots happened. also if i remember right( since my copy is currently packed away) the tmnt anniversary history books names sacks as Shredder

Indeed it does. ("The Ultimate Visual History"). It even has a photograph of him wearing one of Shredder's gauntlets.

[DarkFell]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Oh good, I hate zombies.

Meh, I mean I don't hate Zombies. I hate how people think zombies are scary. They're the least threatening of any horror trope. They're harmless.

So, uh, I love Zombies?

How about you'll tolerate Zombies? That work for you?

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by DarkFell

How about you'll tolerate Zombies? That work for you?

Well, maybe? I mean, they're about as threatening as dust bunnies, right?
You're startled when you find one, but then, you just deal with it, and move on.

[Wolfie65]

The7 things that need to happen for the movie to make a ton of money are COMPLETELY different - and quite possibly the exact opposite - from the 7 things that need to happen for the die-hard fans to like the movie.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Wolfie65

The7 things that need to happen for the movie to make a ton of money are COMPLETELY different - and quite possibly the exact opposite - from the 7 things that need to happen for the die-hard fans to like the movie.

Thing is it's up for debate whether the first movie really made a "ton" of money and the fact that a not-insignificant amount of people walked away thinking it was one of the worst things they'd seen - not just die hard fans.

Clearly if they want people to give this series a second chance as well as tempt people that didn't give it a shot in the first place then it has to do something different.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Just get rid of those goddamn noses! The movie would actually be watchable if we didn't have those ugly noses and those hideous nostrils on their faces.

Not this again. Turtles. Have. Noses!

[Sabacooza]

Originally Posted by THGhost

Not this again. Turtles. Have. Noses!

Yeah, really. Who cares about the noses. That's the least of our worries.