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Band of the Hawk
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Singles nation: Why so many Americans are unmarried
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Leo-holic
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I'll never get married because I find the whole thing to be a crock of crap and there's no guarantee that it will help better my relationship. I'm in a relationship but have no plans to get married at all or have kids. And if this relationship somehow ends, then I'll just be single for the rest of my life and be fine with it as I prefer to be alone most of the time anyway.
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Emperor
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Most developed nations have had a big increase in divorces in the last couple of decades. Also, society is getting more and more individually focused and people are studying more and more. Most people will not get married or have kids in their early 20s nowadays considering they're still studying and don't have stable jobs yet. Current economy does not help at all either.
Also, one must take in consideration the emancipation of the female sex since the 2nd half of the 20th century. Women are getting more independent and no longer need men to support them like they did back in the 40s-50s. Divorce is also a pain for men. If there's one place where men are below women is in family court. If a couple has kids and they decide to get divorced, the man will never get custody of his children unless the mother is a criminal or a substance abuser, and thus a threat to the children. Considering divorce is more and more common nowadays, many guys are afraid of getting married because they don't want to take such risks of losing a lot of their money and not being able to see their kids in the future. Plenty of people born in the 30s, 40s, 50s, etc. would tell you that people divorce easily nowadays because they just can't sit and talk about their issues anymore. They're kinda right, but our parents and grandparents are from an era where divorce simply was not an option. You had the same job and the same espouse until you died, no matter how much you disliked both. Many middle-aged and old couples kinda don't get along that well but don't get divorced because it simply isn't a solution for them. That's how they were brought up in their time. And ofc, nowadays marriage is more secular and no one forces you to marry through a church. Hell, my parents didn't marry at a church and they married back in the late 70s-early 80s. Marriage is mostly a contract. If two people love each other and want tax benefits, they'll just get married. It also helps if you want to see your partner in the hospital at any time, per example. My vision of marriage? I have no plans in getting married. Then again, I'm not in a long-term relationship, so who knows if my opinion would change if I met "the" girl. |
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Random Punk
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I'm really glad that there are diverse options for people to choose to live the life they want to live whether the're single or not single;we're no longer being restricted by the nuclear family option anymore and other amatonormative practices.
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Overlord
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I believe in the family, with my ever loving wife beside me
But she don't know about my girlfriend, or the man I met last night Nah, but seriously, I do think marriage is important, it's never easy, but it's worth it if you love and care for the person. I'll pass on ever having kids. I'd make a lousy father because of my aspergers and the simple fact I am very focused on "me, me, me" almost all of the time. Fortunately my best friend is terrified of becoming pregnant herself. |
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Leo-holic
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Well, my parents never had a happy marriage, and I'm just the type to not want that for my life. I'm too protective of my relationship, and you can never be sure if it'll happen to you. It happened to my sister, too, where she married a guy and as soon as she had that ring on her finger, he treated her like crap. She left him for a week and then was dumb enough to go back to him even though I begged her not to. So, the way I see it, I don't want to get married because it doesn't always work out, and that's not the life I want for myself. I'd rather just live with the guy I love and leave it at that. Plus, I don't wear jewelry, so I know I'd probably never wear any of the rings anyway, so what's the point?
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I Married a Duck!
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No, there's no "guarantee", but that's everything in life. And relationships can end at any time, whether there's a ring and/or kids involved or not. What MATTERS is that the people involved love each other and are committed to the relationship, ring or no ring. Marriage in and of itself isn't a crock of crap. It's the reasons people go into it (usually unready and often with unrealistic expectations) that make it that SEEM way at times. Quote:
Ditto to this. I fully believe that when it's with the RIGHT person(s), it is worth all the difficulties. Also- nice use of Genesis lyrics there! Love that song, LOL!
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Leo-holic
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I Married a Duck!
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Yeah, I understand that- my point was just that marriage itself isn't the problem. Actually, my biggest arguments FOR marriage are primarily legal ones. For instance, "partners" don't have the same legal rights in regards to their significant others as spouses do, like income tax deductions, hospital visitation and medical decisions, etc. If, for example, your partner wishes you to be their primary executor or beneficiary in the event of their death, their wishes can be overridden EVEN IF IT'S IN WRITNG, if you are not legally married. Because in the government's eyes, you're not "family", no matter how committed and long-term the relationship was. Same if they want a no-resuscitation clause and you are the "next of kin"- you have no say, because it's not on that little certificate that states you have the legal right to make that call. Or social Security- legally, if you're not married to someone, you can't collect their benefits under any circumstances, even if they wish to allow it.
People make a big deal about marriage having so many down sides, but no one ever mentions the positive aspects, and it's usually the religious aspects that get all the attention, rather than the legal rights and responsibilities. I mean, you have churches that make a big stink about refusing to honor some marriages, or perform them for certain couples due to religious issues, but the reality is that it's the official consequences of getting that piece of paper that are most important.
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Disgusting
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Spoilers because I don't want to cause a sh*tstorm
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Mad Scientist
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As Prowler mentioned earlier, there are a lot of factors that are contributing to this trend, such as: women's movement in terms of employment and resources, increased globalization and employment competition, increasing moral relativism in regards to relationships and sex, and the Millennial generation being considered self-absorbed, etc.
When people go into a marriage, they need to have the same or a similar value system (i.e. finances, politics, spirituality/religion, how they value career growth, if and how many children they plan to have, personalities), otherwise it will fall apart because you have to live with that spouse constantly and if that spouse doesn't share the same values and principles, it will eventually wear down. I think society focuses too much on the emotional romantic high (the infatuation and romantic dates) and the "party" aspect of marriage (the wedding) rather than the selfless commitment that is necessary to maintain a marriage. Every day isn't going to be romantic dreamy time, there are going to be boring days and difficult days. It's probably more important to observe and witness your potential spouse during these times to see their temperament and personality when things don't go their way, as it will be a foreshadowing of what to expect when you do marry that person when the storms of life approach. Although my parents had a bitter divorce, I still believe in marriage, because there's something about having an explicit promise (the vows) that makes the relationship tangible and solid, that despite the changing environments the relationship will face and encounter, at least that loyalty in a relationship is something constant and dependable... and therefore priceless. I just think that a majority of those who wed don't have the maturity, or are simply just naive, to what a lifelong commitment truly entails. I mean this is a generation who is noted for being self-absorbed and wasteful with their money. If these same people don't have the foresight to save/invest for the long-term, how can they have the foresight for something as important as lifelong marriage? If these same people are noted for being incredibly narcissistic, how can they be expected to commit to something as selfless as marriage? I'm all for premartial counseling before getting married and obtaining a marriage license. I mean for every other "license" (i.e. driver's, physician, etc.) you need education and training, so why not with marriage? |
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Leo-holic
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No sh*tstorm here, Snake. That's great that you support marriage. I'm just the type to not believe in it and believe that you can be committed without the piece of paper no matter what. And, RR, another factor is that most couples choose to wait to live together until they're married and that can be problematic as it can cause issues. That's what happened with my parents, and I'm the type to believe that if you want to get married, you better live with them first to see if you can coexist together.
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I Married a Duck!
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Bubbly, why would him being married have anything to do with his disability? My hubby is currently trying to get on it, too, and his marital status isn't an issue. It's more based on income and physical matters, from what I've been told. Being married or single has little if anything to do with your disability status- because it goes by HIS past income(if any), although if you're married the y DO require income status on other members of the household for legal verification reasons. That shouldn't affect either of you, though. As for the marriage before living together- in the past, that was usually the case. Nowadays, though, MOST couples DO live together first, often for at least a year or more. In fact, that's what we did. We were actually together for over three years before getting "legally" married (and our hand-fasting or "religious" wedding was after almost a year of being together even before the "real" legal wedding.) Living together before marriage is now the norm, rather than the exception- which might explain why so many people no longer consider marriage such a big deal- because they're already LIVING as "spouses" with OR without the paper that makes it official, so many don't even think of it as an issue until something like hospital or taxes come up.
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Leo-holic
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And I agree about the religious aspect of it, but that's why a lot of couples don't live together before marriage, though it's not as common for that to happen as it used to be.
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I believe in marriage, but fear that I never will. I would like to, but there really isn't many girls that fit into my standards...
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Mad Scientist
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I don't want to marry with kids because divorce screws a guy when it happens.
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Leo-holic
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You shouldn't be afraid of that. Not everybody gets married, and that's okay. And sometimes standards change.
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The Agenda of Existing
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I'm pretty neutral to marriage, there is some nice legal laws that goes for married couples compared to partner couples, but that's about it for me. If my partner ever want to get engaged and get married I'm not gonna say no. I mean, there's also a big party involved with god food and gifts.
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Just...way too serious.
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Marriage is a serious commitment that I think people really don't understand.
I think the reason so many people are sour on it is because too many people rush into marriage with people they don't really know for petty superficial reasons, or worse, to satisfy some psychological need. Then, when those relationships go bad they tell war stories and people start to believe that all marriage is that way. If people would take the time to come to their own maturity, figure out who they are, find a similar minded person, and take time to really get to know them and their family and their story.....it wouldn't be such a dirty word. |
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