List your LEAST favorite incarnation of each character

[Yabuturtle]

Originally Posted by Bry

Well, in fairness, Leo was only in Central America because Splinter sent him away. Might as well help people out if you're stuck there anyway.

Though the bigger question has always been... what was Leo's leadership lesson supposed to be there, anyway? The best theory is Splinter sent him away just to see how long it'd take him to say "hey, **** this noise" and come right back. Can't be a leader if you're just following every order yourself, right?

There were a lot of things that weren't explained. Why in Central America and how did he even get there? I guess he wore a human disguise or something but he still needed to pay for stuff and I doubt they'd let him keep swords on the airport. Unless maybe he just took a boat and sailed there.

But what WAS the reason why the group stopped fighting? Was there some sort of major team squabble that made Splinter say. "That's it, you idiots can't get along. Leo, go to Central America and I'll be sure to pay your way with money I don't have and that will somehow make you a better leader because you'll be doing stuff yourself. Yeah, you won't be in command of anything so that will somehow hone your skills as a leader. I apologize, I've been smoking something."

The ironic thing is, it didn't make him a better leader at ALL! He became a hypocrite, criticizing Raph's alter ego because he was a vigilante, when the Turtles and Casey are vigilantes yet he doesn't have a problem with that. And it's not like Raph's vigilante ego was unusually cruel to criminals, like killing them or something. If so, I might understand why Leo would be pissed but there's no reason for him to dislike this vigilante.

He was arrogant stating that he was overall better than Raph, when he's supposed to be more humble. He even states that it's absurd for the Raph to go out in a costume fighting crime, when that's what the Turtles DID before and SHOULD have been doing instead of wasting time having jobs. This movie was a mess.

[jenna]

Originally Posted by precision

My theory with Leonardo fans is that they're a first born child or the only child in the family.

Originally Posted by Powder

You misunderstand. They're not saying most "only child" kids are Leo fans but rather than most Leo fans may be "only child" kids. I'm a Leo fanboy & an only child, so I'm curious to what their thought behind that theory is. The reliability of independence, maybe?

You both might be onto something here. I think Leo will appeal to anyone who has felt a great burden of responsibility growing up or anyone who has had to rely on their own resources.

Example: just a few months ago I was in Build a Bear Workshop with my Mum getting a Raphael plush and the chap who worked there was also a massive TMNT fan. We were chatting away and my mum was standing there impatiently. My mum has never cared about Turtles. In fact, she's been subjected to it by my sister and me for so many years that she's pretty much sick to death of it. The chap and I were discussing our favourite characters and he remarked "Nobody likes Leonardo because he can be a real prick." (Referencing 2k7). At which point my mum straightened, took a step forward and said angrily: "well it's tough being the eldest child!"

My mum is the eldest of three and had to take care of her sisters when they were growing up.

Even my mum, 65 year old hater of TMNT is a Leo fan.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I got the impression the jobs were just a way to keep themselves occupied since they were no longer a "team" (probably on Splinter's orders- he didn't seem to want them fighting until after Leo got back) more than anything. Basically, Don and Mike were just bored and needed something to do while Leo was gone, and it gave them a way to get what they needed, too.

[precision]

Originally Posted by Powder

You misunderstand. They're not saying most "only child" kids are Leo fans but rather than most Leo fans may be "only child" kids. I'm a Leo fanboy & an only child, so I'm curious to what their thought behind that theory is. The reliability of independence, maybe?

Independence as well, but mostly relates towards adults (Leo interacts far more with Splinter than he would ever with Michelangelo). Even fighting Shredder, he has more dialog than any of the other brothers. I could even say first or only children could relate to Karai even more since she always around older mutants or Shredder. Leo and Karai also carry the burden of their surrogate parents' expectations, a trait usually found in first born or only children.

[Slade]

Let's see..

Leo probably 4kids/PD
Raph OT
Don PD/Nick
Mike 4kids/PD
Splinter PD
Shredder OT
April Nick

Forgot Casey. Nick, definently Nick

[ProactiveMan]

I'm the oldest child and I sympathise with Leonardo. You feel like you are held to a higher standard of behaviour than your younger siblings, and when all of you misbehave, you get in the most amount of trouble, because 'you should have known better.'

It's hard for me to pick bests and worsts, but I will say that I don't care for 2007 Casey Jones much. He's like the Disney Prince version.

[pennydreadful]

I'm the eldest of three, but Raph is my fave. That being said, I appreciate Leo's motivations/don't view them as douchey or arrogant because they are relatable and I can see where he's coming from.

Of course, this then makes me wonder if the inverse is true - are a lot of Mikey fans the youngest out of their sibs?

Proactive's right though, you're totally held to a higher standard when you're the eldest - you're expected to shoulder more responsibility and don't get cut nearly as much slack. I had to be practically dying to get a day off school - by the time my youngest sister was going through school, she'd get days off without Mum even batting an eye.

[ssjup81]

Hm, let's see...

Leo: Um...can't choose.

Donnie: Can't choose...

Raph: Can't choose...

Mikey: Nick. ^^;;

Shredder: Movie 2 because he got done it by a darn dock! ><

April: 2k7 or Archie

Casey: Can't choose...but if forced, probably Nick, even though I don't dislike him.

Baxter: Nick, so far.

Splinter: Hard to pick, but probably Mirage or Nick, but I don't dislike him.

[turtlefanforever]

Originally Posted by Unworthy tinker

Mikey: that's a tough one. Yeah, PD, yeah...Then Nick Mikey's an idiot, yet, I still prefer him over 4Kids Mikey because at least A) he seems to contribute to the story more, B) at least not EVERYTHING he says/does is some failed joke. Ultimately, all three are probably up for a tie. Okay, maybe PD is slightly more disliked. And by slightly I mean a lot.

How does nick mikey contribute more than 4kids mikey? Literally everything he says/does is some failed joke. It's the other way around from what you're saying.

The turtles will be like "we must get shredder" and then he'll come out of no where with "tacos on my pizza" or some absurd thing for absolutely no reason.

Whereas 4Kids Mikey won BattleNexus. He was literally the greatest fighter in the whole universe at the time, delivers gifts to orphans, saves kittens, inspires future hero's (Turtle Titan 2), as well as plenty of other examples.

[Mew]

Definitely the Nick Casey. I like Josh Peck, but he doesn't feel right.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by pennydreadful

I'm the eldest of three, but Raph is my fave. That being said, I appreciate Leo's motivations/don't view them as douchey or arrogant because they are relatable and I can see where he's coming from.

Of course, this then makes me wonder if the inverse is true - are a lot of Mikey fans the youngest out of their sibs?

You could be right- I'm a Mikey fan- but as the ONLY child, I'm both first and last-born. Then again, I always sort of "felt" like the middle child. Spent SOOO much time alone because of being "ignored". Might explain why I like Donnie/Raph as my second faves. (They're tied.)

[GoldMutant]

Originally Posted by turtlefanforever

How does nick mikey contribute more than 4kids mikey? Literally everything he says/does is some failed joke. It's the other way around from what you're saying.

The turtles will be like "we must get shredder" and then he'll come out of no where with "tacos on my pizza" or some absurd thing for absolutely no reason.

Whereas 4Kids Mikey won BattleNexus. He was literally the greatest fighter in the whole universe at the time, delivers gifts to orphans, saves kittens, inspires future hero's (Turtle Titan 2), as well as plenty of other examples.

I really feel the need to chime in on Nick's version of Mikey despite the thread being ignored for a bit.

Without Mikey, the Turtles would fail to storm Dimension X to save Leatherhead, prepare for the Invasion, and rescue the citizens of NY. If it weren't for Mikey, Raph would have had a major meltdown in the Invasion and would do who knows what in the end. If it weren't for Mikey in Parasitca, all four of them would have been possessed and killed by the wasps.

The biggest example I know of is Wrath of Tiger Claw, he did not one, but TWO smart things in that episode. He had a strange idea for looking for Casey with Raph despite being said intelligently and it was him who helped set up the battle with Tiger Claw in the meat area. I get Mikey is an unintelligent doofus in the Nick show, but it should be acknowledged that whenever he does a smart thing, it really works. The problem is him going two steps back every step forward. That's my two cents.

Anyways, least favorite Turtles barring the PD movie:

Leo: The FW cartoon (a very bland character who didn't even come off as leader at times. If Leo had been more popular like Raph and Mikey, he wouldn't be downplayed but still had some good moments)

Raph: Nick (I really like this Raph, but his characterization is one of the worst I've ever seen in TMNT lore. Sometimes it's all over the place. Really needs improvement, but a very weak Raphael version.)

Donnie: I honestly don't hate any of the Donatellos strangely.

Mikey: Nick (despite my defense, his characterization still makes him a weak character with the negative traits)

[ssjup81]

I like Nick Mikey, but he is my least favorite Mikey.

[Metalwolf]

Least Favorite Overall: Turtles Forever versions of OT. Even though I massively hate iteration crossovers, Nick's actually made the OT Turtles look awesome.

Nick April: Don't mind her, but hate the Mary Sue powers. They could have just made her heavily intuitive and empathic, allowing her to help the Turtles but not risk looking more powerful then them.

PD Splinter: Would have preferred that he was human prior to mutation. An idea for this could have been that the Turtles were still supposed to be 'created heroes,' but Hamato Yoshi could have been hired to train them (and Shredder exposes him to mutagen.)

FW Bebop and Rocksteady: I like these two, but there is a point where they start acting almost too dumb to live. Plus the writers started to forget they had been human, and made them have the confusing error of 'remembering' being animals in a zoo.

[Shark_Blade]

Leo: 2k3 (Obnoxious egoist twat)
Donatello: 2k3 (literally a doormat that his brothers can walk all over everytime. Zero personality.)
Michelangelo: 2k3 (annoying battlenexus bragging, constant must make lame jokes)
Raph: 2k3 (his voice sounds like a 50 year old chainsmoker instead of a teen)
Splinter: 2k3 (he talks so slow, too soft, his origin sucks - rat copying his master? Lame and dumb.)
April: 2k12 (bipolar personality. Sometimes she's into Donnie, then Casey)
Casey: 2k3 (obnoxious moronic dirtbag)
Shredder: 2k3 (disgusting blob brain. Not Oroku Saki aka human)

[Mew]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Splinter: 2k3 (he talks so slow, too soft, his origin sucks - rat copying his master? Lame and dumb.)

Dude, do you realize in the 2k3 toon, the Mirage Comics, and the 1990 movies Splinter is like this?

[biganimefan]

Hmm...this is at least somewhat difficult but not really I guess. I will start out by saying that I've enjoyed ALL incarnations of the franchise(except for a few that I haven't seen yet). True, it's been about 15 years or so since I've seen Next Mutation so I really need to check that out again.


Leonardo: Next Mutation

Michelangelo: 2007 movie

Donatello: Next Mutation

Raphael: Next Mutation

Splinter: Bayturtles(his origin really doesn't make any sense at all in this incarnation. Neither how he was able to become a Ninja master from just reading a book. I like him fine though)

April: Nick(I don't hate her really and her being a teenager doesn't bother me. But she is pretty irritating a lot of the time)

Casey: FW(now don't get me wrong, I do find the character funny...in a creepy kind of way, but still not much to him).

Shredder: 1990 movie/Secret of the Ooze(I tried to place Bayturtles Shredder here but I really can't. That one is at least somewhat of a badass. The original movie Shredder is just pathetic).

Karai: Bayturtles(not really a character at all for someone who had a decent amount of screen time at least compared to Shredder).

Krang: 4Kids(yes, the character is in the show. VERY briefly mind you but...yeah there really wasn't anything to him. Other than that I'd probably have to say Nick's Krang Prime)

Leatherhead: FW

Slash: FW(quite an easy choice. EVERY other incarnation of his character, including IDW, Archie, and especially Nick blows the FW character out of the water)

Baxter: Mirage(not in it much at all and can't sympathize with his character at all really)

Bebop & Rocksteady: IDW(don't get me wrong, I do enjoy what I've read of them but so far I like them better in FW and Nick)

Rat King: Nick

Vernon: FW(yeah, I know that he's only been in 2 incarnations of the franchise...I think, but I have to say it. Both my wife and I enjoyed his character in Bayturtles a LOT more than in the FW series)

[CharmedSerenity]

So far I haven't come across a version of Karai I've disliked so here's the rest...

Leonardo: Fred Wolf

Raphael: Fred Wolf

Michelangelo: Nick

Donatello: Nick

Splinter: Nick

April: Fred Wolf

Casey: Fred Wolf

Shredder: Next Mutation

Baxter Stockman: Fred Wolf

Rocksteady & Bebop: Fred Wolf

Leatherhead: Fred Wolf

[Yabuturtle]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Leo: 2k3 (Obnoxious egoist twat)
Donatello: 2k3 (literally a doormat that his brothers can walk all over everytime. Zero personality.)
Michelangelo: 2k3 (annoying battlenexus bragging, constant must make lame jokes)
Raph: 2k3 (his voice sounds like a 50 year old chainsmoker instead of a teen)
Splinter: 2k3 (he talks so slow, too soft, his origin sucks - rat copying his master? Lame and dumb.)
April: 2k12 (bipolar personality. Sometimes she's into Donnie, then Casey)
Casey: 2k3 (obnoxious moronic dirtbag)
Shredder: 2k3 (disgusting blob brain. Not Oroku Saki aka human)

03 Leo is an egotistical person? I believe the 2007 version of Leo was the worst. I'm not sure why people bring up next mutation or the 2014 version. 2007 Leo was a hypocrite, arrogant and didn't lead very well. That was by far the worst version of Leo I ever saw to me.

[Ninturtle]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Leo: 2k3 (Obnoxious egoist twat)
Donatello: 2k3 (literally a doormat that his brothers can walk all over everytime. Zero personality.)
Michelangelo: 2k3 (annoying battlenexus bragging, constant must make lame jokes)
Raph: 2k3 (his voice sounds like a 50 year old chainsmoker instead of a teen)
Splinter: 2k3 (he talks so slow, too soft, his origin sucks - rat copying his master? Lame and dumb.)
April: 2k12 (bipolar personality. Sometimes she's into Donnie, then Casey)
Casey: 2k3 (obnoxious moronic dirtbag)
Shredder: 2k3 (disgusting blob brain. Not Oroku Saki aka human)

Either you're a troll or you have very terrible taste.