Was the FW cartoon the least flawed of the three shows?

[Mugic]

I notice complain about the 2k3 series having horrible voices, Utom Shredder, and FF/BttS and the Nick Toon suffering from plot amnisia, poor character development and too many mutants but i never see anyone here bashing the OT that much compared to the other two, does that make it the least flawed of the three shows and if not what were the flaws to the OT?

[TurtleTitan97]

The OT has its fair share of flaws, just like every other animated series does. To me, the main flaws would be:

1) Repetitive story
2) Lack of actual story arcs
3) Not much character development for the main characters
4) Too much slapstick
5) Lack of action sequences

That's all I can think of for now.

[Autbot_Benz]

Plenty of people pick on the OT

1. Too Goofy & Light hearted
2. Inept Villains

[CyberCubed]

I think this thread should be locked because its going to lead to a typical bash-fest when the usual haters of the Nick, 2k3, or OT people show up.

[Powder]

It's not the least flawed, it's just the oldest. People have picked it apart since like 2000 when this forum started. Not much use treading the same ground.

[snake]

I honestly think the OT is the most flawed. I enjoy it in it's own right, but I can only imagine the pain Peter and Kevin went through watching anything post season 1.

[Cryomancer]

Yeah the old show is pretty much a running checklist of Things That Can Go Wrong in cartoons.

Season 1 was great, everything else is...inconsistent to say the least.

[neatoman]

I'm pretty sure that if anything, the Fred Wolf cartoon would be the most flawed out of the three. It's infamous for animation errors and recycled scripts, obviously the people who made it didn't at all care about what they put out as long as Playmates were happy their toyline got attention.

[ProactiveMan]

Flaws are pretty subjective, so I think it would be hard to determine which show has the most. Does it really matter though? They all exist, so you can watch the one you like.

[Ceres]

Originally Posted by ProactiveMan

Flaws are pretty subjective, so I think it would be hard to determine which show has the most. Does it really matter though? They all exist, so you can watch the one you like.

pretty much this. The OT may have many flaws but it was still watchable, the same goes for most parts of the nick series and 03 series too.

[Wolfie65]

I do agree that there are (way) too many mutants in the current Nick 'toon, other than that, I think it's the best screen adaptation of the Turtles so far, vastly superior to all others (movies included) in characterization, story lines, plots, dialog, etc. etc.
To me, the Fred Wolf cartoon is basically just a never ending series of Vaudeville/Broadway/Hollywood Schlapschtick, written by adults for adults, but aired and marketed to kids.
They're not Turtles, or Ninjas, or Teenagers (or even Mutants), they're 4 Jimmy Durantes.

[HotJuicyBurgers]

Originally Posted by Wolfie65

I do agree that there are (way) too many mutants in the current Nick 'toon, other than that, I think it's the best screen adaptation of the Turtles so far, vastly superior to all others (movies included) in characterization, story lines, plots, dialog, etc. etc.
To me, the Fred Wolf cartoon is basically just a never ending series of Vaudeville/Broadway/Hollywood Schlapschtick, written by adults for adults, but aired and marketed to kids.
They're not Turtles, or Ninjas, or Teenagers (or even Mutants), they're 4 Jimmy Durantes.

Woah. Hold up. You think the Nick cartoon is better than the original film? Idk about that...

[pferreira]

Originally Posted by Mugic

I notice complain about the 2k3 series having horrible voices, Utom Shredder, and FF/BttS and the Nick Toon suffering from plot amnisia, poor character development and too many mutants but i never see anyone here bashing the OT that much compared to the other two, does that make it the least flawed of the three shows and if not what were the flaws to the OT?

Hang on, have you been on the right thread? If anything all I see is the OT series criticised. Guess it happens to both shows so don't worry.

[1987]

yeah, it had very minor flaws, sometimes they color their bandanas wrong or have the wrong voice, since this is the first iteration to adapt the multicolor bandanas the rare confusion was understandable. also, considering the fact it was the 80's/early 90's real hand-drawn animation, before they could have computers do all the work, i would say yes, this is the least flawed of the three shows. it may not have had a chronological storyline through the series, but it didnt really need one and it worked. some of the other shows flaws were they seem to have changed too much character origin from the mirage comic series, i.e.: utrom shredder(as you mentioned), or nick series making a lot of the characters younger than they've always been. its hard to find any flaws on a show as successful as the fw cartoon.

[BubblyShell22]

This show definitely had flaws such as animation errors, characters speaking through the wrong Turtle, etc, so it had flaws a plenty. All of the shows have flaws, but that doesn't mean that one is superior over the other. Despite the flaws in this show, I still love to watch it and laugh every time I do.

[Wesley]

The OT was a product of its time and parts of it haven't aged well. I loved the cartoon when I was a kid, but it's not as good as I remembered it. It was on the air for too long and could've been condensed into five seasons.

There are a lot of problems with the show, though nearly half of the episodes are still fun to watch. It's mostly a comedy with some action in it. It's one of those guilty pleasure shows like 2 Broke Girls and Charmed. I think the best seasons were one, two, three, seven, eight and ten.

Nevertheless, there was some good characterisation and story arcs in a few seasons like one and eight. One was probably the best season. I prefer the 2003 series, as it had better characterisation and story arcs. It was based on the original Mirage Comics and has aged well.

[GoldMutant]

Umm, the series with laughable bad humor, episodes written for the idea of selling a new toy of the week, and many production value problems? That show is heavily flawed even for the standards of the time, it clearly ran out of steam until the seventh season and the Red Sky portions. It feels the weakest of the three series of cartoons at least to me.

However, I still get a few laughs at the stupid jokes and to be granted, some things aged well. The song is one of the most memorable cartoon themes of all time, though I prefer the Red Sky theme strangely. The banter of our main quartet of villains is pretty hilarious looking back. Lastly, for the most part, the voice actors did a really good job and are extremely memorable as well.

Besides, along with the merits, if the show never reached the large popularity it had at the time, a majority of the fanbase would be non-existent. The cartoon, despite it's problems, is what brought the franchise to life alongside the originally obscure Mirage Comics and toyline. That I respect for the show.

I wouldn't say it's aged entirely well, but it has it's merits and helped kickstart the franchise. Flawed yes, but still good for fun like a little kid.

[CyberCubed]

The original cartoon barely ever advertised the toyline though, and when it did it was like for one brief episode.

The original cartoon barely ever had mutant of the week episodes, and when it did it was a rarity.

[plastroncafe]

The entire reason there was an FW cartoon in the first place was to sell toys.
And while the episodes themselves might not have been as blatant about it in the actual storytelling, the fact that the cartoon had toys makes the cartoon a commercial for those toys.

[billbot85]

The Fred World cartoon had plenty of flaws (plot holes, continuity errors, voice errors, animation errors), but as many here have said before, it's the same as the other two versions of the show. IMO all three shows are awesome in their own way and how they portray the boys in green, but they all have their fair share of flubs too. That just makes them all the more unique.