Terminator Reboot

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by THGhost

Wanna bet?

Yes.
By all means, show me the person who said Jurassic World would be the biggest movie ever.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

Yes.
By all means, show me the person who said Jurassic World would be the biggest movie ever.

C'mon, practically everybody knew Jurassic World was gonna be a huge hit. It's a Jurassic Park movie!

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

Here is an interesting write up I thought you all might be interested in reading and commenting on. http://m.hitfix.com/harpy/4-baffling...erand-3-it-did

All very good questions. I still enjoyed the movie though.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

Hell doth frozen over...I agree with Leo...although again, I LOVE Terminator Salvation...Genysis basically says, "here is everything you love, and drops it in the toilet, then pulls two or three things out of said toilet, but now they're covered in toilet water. Then they flushed the toilet.

Puh-lease, no need to be so melodramatic.
It's not like first two movies ceased to exist or what not. Genesys is nowhere near close to T1 / T2, but it's not the end of the world either. Fun action movie. I don't see any problems with it. I don't see why some people have problems with it, unless they hoped that somehow Taylor will deliver Cameron-like work, which was clearly not in the cards.

Besides, considering what franchise has become 12 years ago, I think, Genesys is much better, than I have expected. It's not like RoboCop reboot from past year.

Originally Posted by Leo656

I'm probably never gonna drop my stance of, "Two movies is all you need," and that "No Fate but what we make for ourselves" is a helluva line to go out on.

Good thing you are not in charge of anything related to movies.
World would have been quite a boring place.

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

I liked the direction of Salvation, and someone else said they hated the fact in Salvation there was a central hub that needed to be destroyed. That was not the case in Salvation. In Salvation they tricked the humans. The plant they destroy in the end was only a manufacturing plant, and cattle farm. The movie ends with John Connor talking about how the war is only beginning. UGH I wish this would have been a success because I would love to know where it was going. I hate when movies just get buried before anyone sees them, and then everyone jumps on the bandwagon of hate because they're incapable of forming their own opinions.

I can tell where it was going:
SkyNet sends his army of cyborgs in the present. John Connor follows them as well and teach modern army how to fight terminators. At least, that was the general gist of the T5, if McG was still attached to production.

Now, if anyone gonna say that "Battle for Los Angeles" / Bay's "Transformers" rip-off was a good direction for the Terminator franchise...

Also, I like how people using excuse about "people incapable of forming their own opinions" if majority disagree with them.

Emotions aside, Salvation was a mess. The idea was good, but they did absolutely everything to ruin it, from rewriting script, because Bale wanted more screentime to changing the whole third act of the movie, because of the leak. Even then final version of the story doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Marcus is bland, Bale is Bailing, as usual. T800 blunders. Meh.

I said before and I say it again: Genesys scenes in the future is what Future War (and Salvation) should have been.
Also, it receives bonus points for using quite a lot of unfilmed parts from the beginning of T2.

[Leo656]

So just making generic movies, endlessly, forever, that have nothing special or unique or even particularly Good about them, and then slapping a well-known Brand Name Label on them because it will sell based on nostalgia alone. That's Better, to you.

I'd say it's a good thing YOU, sir, have nothing to do with making films. Because all we would have, it seems, is a never-ending stream of recycled, unoriginal trash.

So it'd be exactly like Right Now, basically. But at least I'd know specifically who to yell at for it.

I wish most of you kids were old enough to remember when the very IDEA of a sequel or a remake to a popular film made you an outcast. It wasn't that long ago that Hollywood actually DID have some restraint, and "We already did that movie, we don't need to do it again" was a thing people said. Now it's the exact inverse. "We made money once, let's milk this thing until it's bleeding."

There has to be a reason to keep doing things. There was NO reason to keep making Terminator movies past the second one unless they could actually do something better. Every one since T2 has been a huge step backwards. So there really is no argument. "Why not?" is not a good enough reason to do anything, ever. It's just Generic Explosion Bullsh*t now, the entire story is shot to hell.

By all means, though, keep "shutting your brain off" and let the mindless swill keep you thoroughly entertained. I got a shelf full of Good Movies.

[Commenter 42]

Saw it in Imax 3D yesterday.

I though it was going to be a huge pile of steaming crap.

Honestly, I'm not sure why, but I enjoyed it. It felt like the most natural T3 you could expect.

I'm glad they flushed the other two sequels.

I hated all the trailers. I had 0 expectations. It has some weak points, but miles better than Jurassic world, and infinitely better than PDMT.

It's a fun farewell.

The ending, was a little wankish...

All this talk of a confusing plot, worries me. It was really straight forward.
It also didn't erase T2, anymore than BTTF3 erased BTTF2.

Sarah did seem really soft for a soldier. Emilia Clark was easily the least present actor of everyone. I didn't buy her 100%.

I think Arnie won me over. I'm not huge on his persona, or his typical Schlick, but he's really watchable in this. His quiet moments are perfect.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Saw it in Imax 3D yesterday.

I though it was going to be a huge pile of steaming crap.

Honestly, I'm not sure why, but I enjoyed it. It felt like the most natural T3 you could expect.

This seems to be the most common response to it. Critics hate it but audiences like it. Who'da though?

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

All this talk of a confusing plot, worries me. It was really straight forward.
It also didn't erase T2, anymore than BTTF3 erased BTTF2.

Agreed. I understood the plot just fine. I don't know why people are getting confused by it. It was no more confusing than the first 2 films.

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

I think Arnie won me over. I'm not huge on his persona, or his typical Schlick, but he's really watchable in this. His quiet moments are perfect.

I was surprised by how many quiet moments there were. All really well done.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Everyone always complains about the setting of Terminator Salvation...and that it didn't look like James Cameron's future war. Well Salvation takes place ELEVEN years before James Cameron's future. They had 3 films planned. Eventually showing us John sending the protectors back. The story was supposed to be that he sends Kyle back after Skynet sends the first Terminator, then only minutes pass before Skynet sends the T-1000 and John reprograms a T-800 and sends him back. It would have been an awesome end to the series because it makes it a complete circle. You want to know what happens, well put T1, and T-2 in and find out.

I will go see Genysis again, I mean I've seen T-3 over a dozen times, so this won't be hard to watch multiple times. It just felt like Hunger Games, or Divergent, more than it felt like a Terminator movie. I am not a fan of jumping forward in time, specifically since Kyle tells Sarah there is no going back. HOWEVER, they do have a decent logic to having the time machine back in 1984.

I personally am not a fan of having a million timelines. I prefer the original Terminator and BTTF logic of the past effects the future. Multiple universes is a cop out, and it can become too confusing. It's a cheap way to "preserve" the past while making a new path. I give credit to T-3 for putting it's foot down and saying look, changing the past only delays the future. Judgement Day happens no matter what. But I also enjoy them never giving up hope that they can stop Judgement Day.

And I never thought I'd see the day when Leo and I on the same side, and then being taken to task in the same post. It's like the reformation of the Mega Powers.

[Leo656]

That's even more confusing, as I rip off both Hogan and Savage in my gimmick and so which friggin' one am I? See? This time travel sh*t is just ripping holes in the fabric of everything!

I like the original idea as you've described. Can't we do that instead? Can't we go back in time and do THAT idea instead of this one? I'll do it.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by Leo656

That's even more confusing, as I rip off both Hogan and Savage in my gimmick and so which friggin' one am I? See? This time travel sh*t is just ripping holes in the fabric of everything!

I like the original idea as you've described. Can't we do that instead? Can't we go back in time and do THAT idea instead of this one? I'll do it.

The thing I like about Genysis is it caters to the Terminator fan and the casual movie audience which I am the later part of. It plays upon its history and gives it new twist at the same time.

Not being a follow of the franchise I am curious, is Kyle Reese a regular character through the series or is John's father of the future exclusive to this film?


Off topic, there needs to be a Mega Powers DVD.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

The thing I like about Genysis is it caters to the Terminator fan and the casual movie audience which I am the later part of. It plays upon its history and gives it new twist at the same time.

Not being a follow of the franchise I am curious, is Kyle Reese a regular character through the series or is John's father of the future exclusive to this film?


Off topic, there needs to be a Mega Powers DVD.

You, you.....

Wait, did you watch TGen, without watching T1?

[Leo656]

You knew, statistically, that at lease ONE person had to. You knew this.

Although the dismal box office seems to indicate that many Existing fans did NOT go see it. Huh. Wonder if the next one is gonna ignore this one and launch another new new trilogy? That'd be hysterical.

By like Terminator X it's gonna be full-blown Hot Shots parody style territory. That'll be neat to see.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Originally Posted by Leo656

That's even more confusing, as I rip off both Hogan and Savage in my gimmick and so which friggin' one am I? See? This time travel sh*t is just ripping holes in the fabric of everything!

I like the original idea as you've described. Can't we do that instead? Can't we go back in time and do THAT idea instead of this one? I'll do it.

I've been perfecting my Macho Man impression recently, and I own a pair of Macho Man sunglasses (check out rasslor.co).

Info on the cut original opening where we see Kyle go back in time for T2
http://www.hopeofthefuture.net/delet.../t2omit04.html

Originally Posted by Sumac

Puh-lease, no need to be so melodramatic.
It's not like first two movies ceased to exist or what not. Genesys is nowhere near close to T1 / T2, but it's not the end of the world either. Fun action movie. I don't see any problems with it. I don't see why some people have problems with it, unless they hoped that somehow Taylor will deliver Cameron-like work, which was clearly not in the cards.

I have a problem with it, because they took everything that made the first two GREAT, completely removed it, and made it a typical 2015 action movie. I will say at least this isn't as bad as Point Break will be, a reboot which literally took everything from the original movie and removed it, except for the main character's names.

Besides, considering what franchise has become 12 years ago, I think, Genesys is much better, than I have expected. It's not like RoboCop reboot from past year.

Good thing you are not in charge of anything related to movies.
World would have been quite a boring place.

You completely contradict yourself here...Basically you are saying meh, movies suck now a days so at least this one didn't suck as much as this other one. Then you say that Leo's statement to have original ideas would make movies suck...OOOOOOK.

I can tell where it was going:
SkyNet sends his army of cyborgs in the present. John Connor follows them as well and teach modern army how to fight terminators. At least, that was the general gist of the T5, if McG was still attached to production.

This is not where it was going at all. McG talked about focusing on the creation of the T-1000 in the Salvation sequel, and then eventually leading to the time traveling.

Now, if anyone gonna say that "Battle for Los Angeles" / Bay's "Transformers" rip-off was a good direction for the Terminator franchise...

Also, I like how people using excuse about "people incapable of forming their own opinions" if majority disagree with them.

Emotions aside, Salvation was a mess. The idea was good, but they did absolutely everything to ruin it, from rewriting script, because Bale wanted more screentime to changing the whole third act of the movie, because of the leak. Even then final version of the story doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Marcus is bland, Bale is Bailing, as usual. T800 blunders. Meh.

This is exactly what I mean about people incapable of forming their own opinions. You are regurgitating buzz words or phrases you've heard in reviews.

The movie has a giant robot...therefore it's a MICHALE BAY rip off of Transformers...oh god the OBSESSION of people with Michael Bay on this forum...Skynet has always had GIANT machines, it's completely conceivable that they would build something like that to collect humans. You know, besides that scene this movie mostly uses practical effects, they partnered with Stan Winston's studio. That is one of the reasons I love this movie.
"Bale is Bailing"...This is something that was attached to him after his melt down on set. I will admit he's the worst character in the movie, but it's a pretty damn good performance still, and the last portion of the movie he's great.

"Marcus is bland" This is an opinion, but it's an opinion I've heard a lot. I disagree with it, because Marcus is the only "Terminator" to have a conscience and actually has a redemption story.

"T800 blunders" what?

Bale is not even in the movie that long. He wanted less action which is a GOOD thing for the Terminator movies, because the first two, although they had a fair amount of action, there is a LOT of down time. And a LOT of character building. The "bad" Terminator movies are the ones that jam the movie with 30 minute chase scenes where the T-800 is swinging through buildings...or a bus does a 450 splash on the Golden Gate Bridge.

The original story was John dies, and they put Marcus' terminator skeleton in John's body and Marcus is John in disguise. And then when he wakes up after surgery he kills everyone in the room. That is an AWFUL ending. The fans got wind, and they voiced their displeasure and it was changed. Now...How does the movie not make sense? Elaborate.

I said before and I say it again: Genesys scenes in the future is what Future War (and Salvation) should have been.
Also, it receives bonus points for using quite a lot of unfilmed parts from the beginning of T2.

I liked the scenes to open Genysis. But Salvation was BUILDING to that. They had 3 movies planned. It would have ended up looking like it you wanted it to. There is no James Cameron 2018 future. McG made one up. I personally love the setting.

One last thing about this movie. It is one of the BEST sequels at giving nods to the previous movies. This goes for ANY sequel. There are SO many little easter eggs in this movie.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

You, you.....

Wait, did you watch TGen, without watching T1?

I went on a spark of spontaneity without having seen anything Terminator before. All I knew before was Arnold Schwarzenegger's terminator character was sent to kill Sarah Connor so she could not give birth to the chosen one who would end the machines' reign of terror and did a 360 to protect her kid years later not to mention a couple of classic quotes. Forgive me?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

I went on a spark of spontaneity without having seen anything Terminator before. All I knew before was Arnold Schwarzenegger's terminator character was sent to kill Sarah Connor so she could not give birth to the chosen one who would end the machines' reign of terror and did a 360 to protect her kid years later not to mention a couple of classic quotes. Forgive me?

Same here. Never saw T1-4. Then I tried T1... did not like it, but then, I don't like many 80's movies. Different time, different style.

I did get convinced to give T2 a try, though, so I'm gonna try to make that happen this weekend.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

I went on a spark of spontaneity without having seen anything Terminator before. All I knew before was Arnold Schwarzenegger's terminator character was sent to kill Sarah Connor so she could not give birth to the chosen one who would end the machines' reign of terror and did a 360 to protect her kid years later not to mention a couple of classic quotes. Forgive me?

Not knocking you, just, without the the background, there's a ton of references you'd miss - not huge things, .... but cool, to each their own.

[TheCanadiandrome]

thought it was a good movie although, and i'm sure i'm not alone, i found it to be full of too many plot holes and not enough time explaining things. i feel that if there's a sequel, which c'mon we know there will be, hopefully more time is taken to explain things

[chrisdude]

I was originally excited for Salvation. I thought I wanted to see the lead up to the Terminators and Kyle Reese being sent back. But really, there's not much thrill to it. It made sense to create a new character, Marcus, and focus on him, because we know John and Kyle's story. But, at the same time, people were disappointed that John wasn't the focus. They couldn't really win.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Leo656

So just making generic movies, endlessly, forever, that have nothing special or unique or even particularly Good about them, and then slapping a well-known Brand Name Label on them because it will sell based on nostalgia alone. That's Better, to you.

Burying franchise forever, because, nobody will ever be capable to touch greatness of originals is not the way to go. I'd better to have a fun simple romp based on familiar universe, than never ever see anything related to the old series. Besides, there is always a chance that somebody will make it good again. I am all about giving chances, as opposed to killing franchise, because of pathetic nostalgia or snobbish sense of self-entitlement you clearly demonstrate here (and pretty much everywhere else).

Originally Posted by Leo656

I'd say it's a good thing YOU, sir, have nothing to do with making films. Because all we would have, it seems, is a never-ending stream of recycled, unoriginal trash.So it'd be exactly like Right Now, basically. But at least I'd know specifically who to yell at for it.

Ha-ha-ha. Gee...it burns!!
However, since such a "bold" statement comes from somebody, who knows next to nothing about me, and also, who by all accounts, loves his own words and opinions too much, to the point where he remains oblivious of reality and other people, I only can dismiss it, as yet another fallacy of a very sad broken mind.

If I was in charge of a movie, I would have been all for originality, new ideas and new approaches. However, since I've nothing to do with T:G, I take what I can. Hence my opinion. But of course, if you think, that somehow, being realistic about quality of the movie I have nothing to do with, makes me less of a person, be my guest. It's not the first laughable delusion I've encountered, won't be the last, I guess.

Originally Posted by Leo656

I wish most of you kids were old enough to remember when the very IDEA of a sequel or a remake to a popular film made you an outcast. It wasn't that long ago that Hollywood actually DID have some restraint, and "We already did that movie, we don't need to do it again" was a thing people said. Now it's the exact inverse. "We made money once, let's milk this thing until it's bleeding."

Playing oldschool elitist card? In this place?! Does not compute.
You made a funny, Colonel Blimp.

Originally Posted by Leo656

There has to be a reason to keep doing things.

Money, my dear grandpa.

[Leo656]

Wow. Guess I got "got".

First of all, of course you can make things good again, in theory. Notice how "They" never do? And how everyone immediately just stops caring if it's good anymore, and unanimously decide, "Well, I liked the original, like 30 f*ckin' years ago, so I'll go see the 8th one, too, even though it sucks." It's so stupid. People just bend over every time they see a familiar label. Your logic - coming from a good place it may be - falls apart because out of every time a franchise has gone to sh*t, it almost NEVER turns it back around. Like 3 or 4 times in history, that's happened, out of hundreds of remakes and reboots. So statistically, that's a crummy argument. Things CAN get better, but they almost never do, and eventually people stop giving a sh*t and just give up any hope for something better. That's Reality, not Cynicism. And it's not how things should be.

As to the rest of that nonsense you felt fit to spew: Don't take things so personally, hepcat. You took a poke at me and I took a poke back. The rest is just you trying to rip off my gimmick and doing it poorly. I'm not interested in getting involved in a "thing" with you. The only thing I need to "know" about you as a person, that would be relevant for this conversation, is that you apparently like corny movies based entirely on brand name. Well, that's all I need to know to know that I'd rather not talk about this or any movie with you. Feel free to keep talking, however. I've mentally checked out. But feel free. I wasn't attacking you as a person. You just seem to have questionable taste in movies and some faulty ideas about how things should be done, and thus I'm not going to extensively engage you in a conversation about them, because your "logic" and apologist thinking makes my head hurt.

Like most people here, you seem to have a huge issue with "You hate this thing I like, thus you are attacking me as a human being." Not exactly. Your taste or opinions, maybe. But you should be able to handle that a little better than this, no?

***This is where I'm apparently supposed to add fake laughs and obscure "insult" references in a feeble attempt at "one-upmanship". I'm not really into it right now. We can, but... if I were you I'd just Agree To Disagree.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by THGhost

C'mon, practically everybody knew Jurassic World was gonna be a huge hit. It's a Jurassic Park movie!

Sure people thought it'd be huge. But a $200m weekend? Biggest opening weekend ever? It's already about to outgross The Avengers. No one even got high and daydreamed of that.