Anyone else not okay with the turtles able to pull their heads into their shells ?

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Splinter the boss

I hate when the turtles do that. It is just annoying and disturbing. So I made this thread to see if anyone else felt that way.

Not really, as the Turtles are sliders. And regular Sliders like most freshwater turtles and tortoises they can tuck in their head.

But on the other hand, with their bodies being humanoid. They have muscles normal turtles don't have, and Sea Turtles can't tuck in their heads due to too much muscle tissue being in the way, it would be more plausible that the Ninja Turtles can't tuck in their heads.

[Splinter the boss]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Thinking about it, I don't remember the following iterations ever doing the shell-tuck:

4Kids (2003) Cartoon
IDW Comics
Mirage/Image Comics

Unless I'm wrong here, which is entirely possible, it seems that the Mirage canon never did this, but the Fred Wolf cartoon started it. The shell-tuck makes perfect sense (they are Turtles after all) and so it caught on with all other major non-Mirage based TMNT iterations.

And yes, the argument can be made that IDW shouldn't be labeled as Mirage-based; considering though that the tone of the comic is much more serious than any of the cartoons have been, I think the label is acceptable for at least this example.

I see. That is very intersting.

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Not really, as the Turtles are sliders. And regular Sliders like most freshwater turtles and tortoises they can tuck in their head.

But on the other hand, with their bodies being humanoid. They have muscles normal turtles don't have, and Sea Turtles can't tuck in their heads due to too much muscle tissue being in the way, it would be more plausible that the Ninja Turtles can't tuck in their heads.

That would have been a relief, but too bad nick went with it. Speaking for myself here.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Metalwolf

Is it wrong for me to have found this funny?

Nah, it was intended.



I dunno, 2012 just triggers the logic flag with me too much the way they execute it. The limbs more than the head though. It's the same sort of thing such as what I have long thought that while, were I working on a cartoon, I could MAKE a character do the classic thing of pulling an object out of nowhere from behind their back...but it would bug me a bit. I'd be more likely to have them pick it up somewhere.

I have this internal tug of war between creative and logical because while the creative part is equally strong the logic part adamantly wants it to make sense; and to that part of my mind the TMNT being humanoid should probably no longer be able to do these things. Gah!

[jenna]

I admit that the physics of it doesn't quite make sense, but I actually love that they disappear into their shells on occasion. It's really cute and, well, a nod to their species.

[SophieDem]

That's what turtles can do, right?
Why would it bother me?

[Gunpowder]

It's one of the few things they have in common with actual turtles... So nah, it doesn't bother me. It actually makes me laugh every time they do it.

[Splinter the boss]

I know that real turtles do it. But come on, they have been mutated, have become HUMANOID turtles. They shouldn't have been able to, and I agree with you jenna, the physics do NOT make sense.

[Powder]

Why are you trying to put some sort of logic towards a wacky show aimed at children based out of imaginary science, exactly?

[Desslok]

No it has never bothered me. It's not something they overuse and when they do use it it's usually in a fun way.

Oh and there is at least one instance of this happening in the IDW series. Michelangelo does it in his micro to avoid security lasers. The only reason I remember that detail is because I recently had to come up with an appropriate sound effect for it, lol.

[Splinter the boss]

Originally Posted by Powder

Why are you trying to put some sort of logic towards a wacky show aimed at children based out of imaginary science, exactly?

Just because the show is aimed at children does not mean that people of all ages do not watch it. There has to be some logic to it to some degree for those who are not children.

And just so you know, I am not criticizing the show, I like it actually. I am just giving my opinion.

[Powder]

Duh, I know that, we're all adults here (mostly). The point is, their demographic is a vast group of people who don't need or want this stuff explained to them, thus, they do things that don't make sense. That's the fun of a cartoon, you don't have to follow anyone's rules but the FCC. To expect real-world physics, laws, etc, is just plain silly. It's one thing to want a bit more realism from an adult-oriented comic, but even then, it seems pointless to me when your cast is a bunch of crime fighting animals that walk upright & wear clothes.

Besides, of allllllllll the wacky stuff the show does, this is what bothers you? Not the tons of high impact action that would kill most living beings, the anatomy of certain characters, how things can survive in the sewers, that there are men made of garbage or tanks full of guts, cats made of ice cream, that pizza & cars come to life & try to eat people, how one of the most densely populated cities in the USA is shown to have empty streets full of monsters? You're instead bothered that turtles can tuck their heads into their shells?

[Splinter the boss]

Originally Posted by Powder

Besides, of allllllllll the wacky stuff the show does, this is what bothers you? Not the tons of high impact action that would kill most living beings, the anatomy of certain characters, how things can survive in the sewers, that there are men made of garbage or tanks full of guts, cats made of ice cream, that pizza & cars come to life & try to eat people, how one of the most densely populated cities in the USA is shown to have empty streets full of monsters? You're instead bothered that turtles can tuck their heads into their shells?

Yes, I am. We all have to remember the turtles got spilled with mutagen which is a substance that turns living things into strong beings.

Look at Timothy. That guy was one weakling, but when turned into mutagen man, a force to be reckoned with. So,
it makes sense that the turtles have incredible durability and can survive in the sewers.

[Powder]

So, given the ooze would not only give them new attributes but enhance their natural abilities, how does it not make perfect sense to you that these agile turtle ninjas could retract their heads during combat? That very trait is part of their durability.

You seem to miss my point, though. You can't say that any number of insane, impossible, zany things are perfectly OK & one wholly rational thing is not, you simply can't have it both ways. One must either critique all aspects of the series through a lens of realism & responsibility, or say "Screw it, this is a cartoon, let's get weird & allow things to unfold as they will." & I personally find the latter makes things far more enjoyable, TMNT or otherwise. It baffles me that people try to understand how certain universes work, like Adventure Time, for example. It's kooky as hell, just let it be kooky.

If you plain just don't like it for reasons beyond logic or understanding, well, that's your business, but you can't use the excuse that it's not true to form.

[Splinter the boss]

Originally Posted by Powder

You seem to miss my point, though. You can't say that any number of insane, impossible, zany things are perfectly OK & one wholly rational thing is not, you simply can't have it both ways. One must either critique all aspects of the series through a lens of realism & responsibility, or say "Screw it, this is a cartoon, let's get weird & allow things to unfold as they will." & I personally find the latter makes things far more enjoyable, TMNT or otherwise. It baffles me that people try to understand how certain universes work, like Adventure Time, for example. It's kooky as hell, just let it be kooky.

If you plain just don't like it for reasons beyond logic or understanding, well, that's your business, but you can't use the excuse that it's not true to form.

I haven't missed your point. You are saying that natural turtles do it and the ooze enhances these natural characteristics, and that it is a kids show and one cannot explain how fictional universes like the tmnt universe work entirely.

It is your opinion and I cannot change your mind. Everyone just has their opinion.

[Powder]

You finding their behavior "annoying & disturbing" is an opinion, one that I haven't read a sound explanation for. What I've stated, is largely factual.

[Splinter the boss]

The fact that the physics do not make sense, and the fact that only their bandanas can be seen when it is done are of enough proof for me to find it disturbing. Especially when Donnie does it.

[Wolfie65]

I would actually like to see them do it even more, It would be a turtle's No. 1 defense mechanism, and I think the Nick toon does perhaps a better job than anyone has done before of paying homage to the fact that they are, after all, Turtles.

[BubblyShell22]

I'm totally not bothered by it. Yes, they're mutants, but I feel that they do retain some of their base turtle instincts, thus tucking into their shells is a natural thing for them to do if the situation calls for it. I love it and want to see more of it in the future.

[Splinter the boss]

Although nobody agrees with me, I think it is nice to see there are people out there who like it and want to see more of it.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Powder

So, given the ooze would not only give them new attributes but enhance their natural abilities, how does it not make perfect sense to you that these agile turtle ninjas could retract their heads during combat? That very trait is part of their durability..

This. Normal turtles have very fast reflexes and great control over their neck.



It only makes sense that a mutated and enhanced turtle would to.