Batman: Bad Blood

[Raph's Girl]

One of the Batman animated films coming out next year. This part of the continuing saga that includes Damien. Bad Blood introduces Katherine Kane/Batwoman (the modern one that's the lesbian jewish cousin of Bruce) and Batwing (who in this case is the son of Lucius Fox).





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[TurtleTitan97]

Not interested. All the latest Batman animated films have been awful so far. And Jason O'Mara is the worst Batman VA by far, imo.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So what's the basic plot?

Haven't been interested in one of these since "Under the Red Hood" and "Assault on Arkham" but I do at least want to keep tabs on them.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

Bad Blood introduces Katherine Kane/Batwoman (the modern one that's the lesbian jewish cousin of Bruce)

Batwoman is a lesbian jewish cousin of Bruce? That's a mouthful. I wonder what DC writer came up with that idea to appeal to as many different groups of people as possible.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Batwoman is a lesbian jewish cousin of Bruce? That's a mouthful. I wonder what DC writer came up with that idea to appeal to as many different groups of people as possible.

Grant Morrison. And considering she was a completely useless blank slate damsel in distress back in the 40s or whenever, I think the change is gold.

[CyberCubed]

Bruce is Christian though, how can she be Jewish and be his cousin?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Bruce is Christian though, how can she be Jewish and be his cousin?

Where in the world do you get Bruce as a Christian? Except for Lucius Fox's son and the rest of the Fox family, NONE of the Bat-family's religion has ever been shown or discussed. (To my knowledge.)

[CyberCubed]

Bruce Wayne celebrated Christmas many times, from the cartoons to the comics.

[Electric]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Bruce is Christian though, how can she be Jewish and be his cousin?

That is incredibly dumb. Bruce's uncle/aunt married someone who is Jewish, they had her, raised her Jewish. This happens all the time?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Bruce Wayne celebrated Christmas many times, from the cartoons to the comics.

If celebrating Christmas makes you Christian, than I'm pretty sure drinking grape juice makes you Mormon. Or growing a beard makes you Jewish. (Or Gandalf.)

[Raph's Girl]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Bruce is Christian though, how can she be Jewish and be his cousin?

Katherine Kane is Martha (Kane) Wayne's niece. Her father is Martha's brother Jacob Kane. I think the Jewish side tho is Katherine's mother Gabrielle (who was murdered).

Also, Katherine has an evil twin sister, Beth aka Mad Alice.

Katherine, Beth, and Bruce have another cousin named Bette (the original Batgirl who is aka Flamebird). Their aunt (by marriage) is Kate Kane, the original Batwoman who was Bruce's love interest for years.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

Katherine, Beth, and Bruce have another cousin named Bette (the original Batgirl who is aka Flamebird). Their aunt (by marriage) is Kate Kane, the original Batwoman who was Bruce's love interest for years.

That's actually incorrect. Though they share the same last name as Bruce's mother, neither the original Silver-Age or current Batwoman have been stated to be related to Bruce.

[MikeandRaph87]

Why another Damien Wayne film? Between that and the unwanted Under The Hood when far more interesting stories like Hush are ignored? Come on, DC!

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

Why another Damien Wayne film? Between that and the unwanted Under The Hood when far more interesting stories like Hush are ignored? Come on, DC!

Not sure what you're talking about. Under The Red Hood was one of DC's best animated films.

[CyberCubed]

I'd love to see The Long Halloween or maybe some classic era tales with Dick still as Robin.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

Not sure what you're talking about. Under The Red Hood was one of DC's best animated films.

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

Why another Damien Wayne film? Between that and the unwanted Under The Hood when far more interesting stories like Hush are ignored? Come on, DC!

Yeah, sorry, 87; I'm in agreement with 97 here. "Under the Red Hood" was FANTASTIC. But I'm with ya on the Damian Wayne movies... hasn't been a good one yet so far.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I'd love to see The Long Halloween or maybe some classic era tales with Dick still as Robin.

Actually that was the sequel to The Long Halloween, Dark Victory that introduced Dick Grayson as Robin. Holiday, a serial killer of the ranks of the mob families was the villain of TLH while the rise of the "freaks" and Robin take center stage as The Hangman is a serial cop killer starting with an analog of Chief O'Hara in Dark Victory.

TurtleTitan97, Jason Todd especially as Robin is my least favorite DC comic character of all-time whereas Dick Grayson especially as Robin is my favorite. It was simply a z-list celeb Judd Winnick's fanboy dream he was allowed to write bringing elements into Batman that do not belong in my opinion. Going past the 700 year longevity of Ra's serialism is enough for Batman's world and to bring back a character fans wanted to remove? The original story in 2005 only sold 35,000 copies. The following two directions under Morrison/Daniel and Synder sold at least 70,000 in the Batman title. There are far more interesting stories to be told than that.

As for the third Damien Wayne film, I like to see Batman films, but if its going to keep turning out Batman films make it diverse. The Killing Joke, Hush, and Batman '66 animated film. That is diverse while covering the same character. Strange Apparitions and The Long Halloween another year then Zero Year. That is a couple of examples to diversify within Batman.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

TurtleTitan97, Jason Todd especially as Robin is my least favorite DC comic character of all-time whereas Dick Grayson especially as Robin is my favorite. It was simply a z-list celeb Judd Winnick's fanboy dream he was allowed to write bringing elements into Batman that do not belong in my opinion. Going past the 700 year longevity of Ra's serialism is enough for Batman's world and to bring back a character fans wanted to remove? The original story in 2005 only sold 35,000 copies. The following two directions under Morrison/Daniel and Synder sold at least 70,000 in the Batman title. There are far more interesting stories to be told than that.

Eh, can't say I quite agree on that. I personally liked the Red Hood story arc for Jason Todd. And the film itself was even better than the comic version. I found Hush to be okay, honestly.

[Commenter 42]

I'm really just tired of this animation style. It's always so angular and rigid, animated on 2's and 4's. would it kill them to ad some gestural curves and soften the looks a bit?

Even Anime isn't this choppy, and even when it is, the line quality is way better.

Dc needs some Glen Keane up in here!

Or maybe give this guy a go!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

TurtleTitan97, Jason Todd especially as Robin is my least favorite DC comic character of all-time whereas Dick Grayson especially as Robin is my favorite. It was simply a z-list celeb Judd Winnick's fanboy dream he was allowed to write bringing elements into Batman that do not belong in my opinion. Going past the 700 year longevity of Ra's serialism is enough for Batman's world and to bring back a character fans wanted to remove? The original story in 2005 only sold 35,000 copies. The following two directions under Morrison/Daniel and Synder sold at least 70,000 in the Batman title. There are far more interesting stories to be told than that.

While I'll agree that Jason Todd as Robin isn't very good, Jason Todd as former Robin turned Red Hood is amazing. He's my favorite non-TMNT comic character ever, as he's a Batman that makes sense (e.g. doesn't lock Joker in the revolving-door facility of Arkham Asylum).

Plus, each Robin is incredibly different and has a unique growth:

• Dick becomes the first Robin, grows into his own hero persona independent of Batman, and even is the only Robin to be Batman's true heir and take on the cowl
• Jason is the rebel Robin, a broken child who is killed by the Joker, resurrected and goes on a killing spree, trying to make sense of his broken life before eventually finding redemption as an antihero
• Tim is the true Robin, a master detective and the one who brings Batman back from his anger. For me, Tim is the true son of Bruce Wayne and Batman, one who is truly at home in the identity of Robin.
• Stephanie is the Robin who tried, desperate to live up to the legacy (and Batman) before being killed (or nearly so) and moving on to find her true identity as Spoiler and Batgirl
• Damian is the son Robin, the biological heir to Batman and Talia, who truly lives divided between two worlds, between good and evil. He walks a fine line...
• Carrie is the Robin I pretend doesn't exist. But in her defense, she is the Robin who brought back Batman, out of retirement.