Nick comparisons to 2k3 series

[Shark_Blade]

It's settled because it's true and my points and others' in favor of Nick are valid.

Time to close this thread. 2k3 discussion please go to your own forum.

[Leo656]

Hah. Wow.

[Shark_Blade]

I realized I never read the OP. He didn't seem to provoke a 2k3 vs Nick blood battle, just comparing between them so... Carry on.

And stop dragging the fabulous 2k14, it's off topic and annoying okay kids? [/Whoopi Bernadette style]

[Leo656]

When someone drops a nuclear bomb, people can't just wish the fallout away, nor ignore it by walking a couple blocks over.

That thing happened, and we all let it happen, and now it's going to contaminate every millimeter of everything it touches, for years to come. They don't even have the courtesy to ship the DVD with a goddamn Hazmat sticker. It's like they WANT people to get f***ing tumors.

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Then it's settled. Nick is superior than 2k3 in most things.

Also 2k3 origin, a rat copying its owner and became a ninja master? Lame and awfully bad.

Just because a lot of people agree on something doesn't make it true.

[Shark_Blade]

It doesn't matter because it's not about what's better or best. This thread purpose is just for the sake of comparing both of them, so continue to compare and analyze.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Then it's settled. Nick is superior than 2k3 in most things.

Also 2k3 origin, a rat copying its owner and became a ninja master? Lame and awfully bad.

Splinter also mimicked Hamato Yoshi in the Mirage comic and the 1990's movie. So that's not really the 2k3's idea alone.

Learning ninjitsu from a completely random book was the lamest origin. If it had been explained that maybe the book had jogged memories of a past life as Hamato Yoshi then yes it would at least make some sense.

As for this thread.

Leo 2003: I found his character well used. Though he did get grating when he was having his hissy fits during season four. But when you think about it he was just scared because they had all been defeated by the Shredder and the only option was to take out themselves along with the Shredder. And the fact that even had to be an option at all is what bothered him because it made him feel he had failed everyone as a brother and leader.

Leo 2012: Young and growing into his role as a leader. He still has a long way to go before he is a truly competent leader. He wants whats he feels best for the safety of his family and protection of the city. Unfortunately he doesn't always consider brother's strengths or even what they have to offer towards the mission which has caused issues with them at times.

Raph 2003: Raph is certainly one of the more volatile members of the team. Deep down under his gruff exterior he does care deeply about each of his bros and other innocent people. Even though his greatest fear is that he would become his worst enemy. His temper and impatience also lead to impulsive and and rash decisions that can put himself and his bros in danger. However whenever the **** goes down, he is one bro you can count on to have your back at all times.

Raph 2012: I do admit 2012 Raph does rub me the wrong way at times because of how much of a bully he can be. He does classify himself as the normal one of his family and thus acts like a straight man to the rest of his brothers. His issues do seem to stem from insecurities such as Leo being the favored student, Donnie being the genius and doctor of the group. Mikey being the most innocent of the group. His temper sometimes causes him to make mountains out of mole hills at times. There is also a gentler side to him which doesn't always appear on the surface but as you get to know him you do see it more and more.

Donnie 2003: Donnie has been my favorite in every incarnation. This version of Donnie is one of my more prominently liked ones. He doesn't make a big deal about his intellect or how he's smarter then the rest of his bros, he knows what he has to offer the team and doesn't treat it like it makes him better then everyone else. He's more of pacifist then rest of his bros but he would fight tooth and nail and even give his own life to protect the world from people like the Shredder. He does go through some traumatic events that makes you wonder how he stayed sane. The same as it never was event should have caused at least a few issues if not nightmares. But then again, the 2k3 didn't really focus on the affectionate moments between the turtles.

Donnie 2012: This incarnations has the added bonus of giving Donnie a personality. And with it a love interest in April. In previous incarnations he did have a lot of focus, but beyond that he was just the smart guy. I personally don't see Donnie's feelings for April as obnoxious. I see it more as a bi product of his upbringing. Typically in life we are around both genders, we generally have a mother and father, we attends school if not society in a co-ed setting. Donnie on the other hand has lived underground his entire life in the company of four other males. The only real exposure to females he has had before April is what was on TV. So we can't expect him to understand or know what it's like to be around someone of the opposite gender let alone be in love with said person. It's only when he's there for her just as her friend that his feelings for her truly shine through. Typically when it does come to Donnie's relationship there are people who like it because it's different. But people also hate it for that same reason.


No real thoughts as far as Mikey at this time.

[aliena]

Originally Posted by ImmaAxolotl

Now my opinion is most likely biased because I practically grew up on 2K3, but I'll try to keep things balanced.

-While I did enjoy 2012 Leo being a fanboy, now that he's grown beyond that I can't help but wonder: what else is there? I mean, there's that thing with Karai, but the show doesn't really show how it affects him as a person.
-While 2003 Leo did get the most focus, it seemed to be for valid reasons (his shot confidence from almost being killed by the Shredder, his frustration about being helpless to do anything during Exodus, being wrong about Karai, etc). It would've been nice if the other turtles also had this amount of focus and character development.

-2012 Mikey is incredibly annoying and stupid. While he does have his moments (such as with Leatherhead), I just wish he was more mature and acted his age (the guy isn't 2 anymore).
-2003 Mikey was arrogant, made pop-culture references, and was quite the scaredy-cat if you'd believe it. I think this has to do with his comfort zone. Despite his drawbacks, he surprising understands a lot about his brother (as revealed in Samurai Tourist and the Battle Nexus fight against Raph). It's hard to say whether or not he acts annoying to mess with his family members.

-2012 Raph used to have interesting characteristics, but those seemed to have faded over time. The episodes that "focus" on him don't leave any lasting effects (such as only being torn up about Slash at the end of the latter's debut episode). The writers also seem to tweak his character to fit the course of whatever episode, as shown in Clash of the Mutanimals, where his temper was overblown for the sake of plot. It seems like no one at Nick knows what to do with him.
-2003 Raph may not have had the same amount of interesting characteristics like his Nick counterpart, but his character and development was very consistent. There are many moments are B-plots showing that he isn't all gruffness, but no A-plots focusing specifically on that. His hatred of bugs and dry sarcasm are entertaining, and he cares deeply about all of his brothers, even Leo. Another difference between 2003 Raph and the 2012 one is his rivalry with Leo, which isn't quite as violent as the Mirage counterparts (but that's for another day).

-2012 Don is a loud, obsessive, arrogant spaz who fell in love with April at first sight and almost became a satellite character because of it. His stalking definitely gives a creepy vibe (thank goodness he stopped it), and his jealousy of Casey seems to turn into an unlikely friendship whenever the writers seem fit. Many times, he has had "funny" little freak-outs that are more annoying than anything else, and has abandoned his brothers to save April (another thing that has improved). Now that I think about it, he's surprisingly similar to 2003's Baxter Stockman when one considers how they act. It's probably just me, however. All of his development primarily focused on April and/or Casey. As of writing this, he has also failed to cure Timothy and Karai, practically forgetting about the former.
-2003 is almost too nice; he has good relations with all of his family members, is good friends with April and Leatherhead (lukewarm with Casey, it seems), and just seems to be a good guy to be around. When considering all of the events he's forced to endure (such as losing Kirby, being captured and tortured by Triceratons, losing his mind and becoming a monster, witnessing his master become data bits, etc), it's a wonder how this turtle is still sane. It can be assumed, however, that his niceness is a sort of outer shell like Raph's gruffness due to his violent murder of the Shredder during the events of Same As It Never Was. Sadly, we don't get any episodes addressing this matter, although there are many times when his scientific prowess has saved the day, such as when he found a cure for the people of the underground. Although I would love to see more focus on his emotional development, I'm never disappointed by this version (especially since he treats women as people).

This probably looks like a wall of text by now, so I'm stopping here. Have I been too analytical? Am I delving too much into this? Oh well, I guess.

EDIT: I just realized how each paragraph gets longer. This is unintentionally hilarious.

Maybe you just had a lot more to say about sweet Donnie. Speaking of Donnie, after having watched through season four, I'm almost feeling like he is lukewarm with Casey due to being jealous of his time with April. I'm not saying that he has a romantic crush on her, but he has a connection to her through their common science traits. There are times when I feel he doesn't like others taking her away from him. Maybe this is why they had Donnie like April in 2012.

You have nailed so many of the same feelings I was having. 2012 Mikey acting too young for his age, 2012 Leo losing his fanboy innocence, 2003 Donnie treating women as people. 2012 Donnie acting like Baxter, I hadn't seen that before now, but it's so true. Wishing 2003 Donnie could have gotten some emotional development after all he's been through. 2003 Raph's toned down rivalry with Leo (so far, I'm not through all the seasons yet) and his great love for his brothers. I'm also liking his bonding with Joi in the episode arc I'm currently watching. They are really good together. Sorry to throw in some shipping.

[aliena]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Oh, GOD, I wanted to put that little bastard in the Camel Clutch so badly.

Still like him better than Nick Mikey, though. He may have been obnoxious but at least he had a brain.

If they were to give Nick Mikey a brain, he would improve so much. That's what I do like about 2003 Mikey. BTW, when I first heard Mikey's voice in the Nick show I almost didn't keep watching I disliked it so much. I remember thinking it had ruined the entire character, but then it grew on me.

[Bombshell]

I don't have much to say on the subject (which is why I'm posting, of course!). The previous comparisons are spot on.

The major difference I see between the two shows regarding the turtles is the fact that the y2k turtles seemed to already know what they were doing while the Nick turtles are fumbling about and still learning as they go. I like the Nick turtles due to the fact that they act more like a normal, dysfunctional family with a lot of sibling interactions.

Nick turtles don't go too deep into emotional issues, which I wish they would seeing as there is a LOT to develop from that. All and anything that happens to them can be shrugged off and forgotten, where as the y2k turtles actually address a lot of things. I feel I have to watch Nick for the general story and then surf Deviantart for all the feels and development.

I am a sucker (one huge sucker) for animation. Good animation is like crack to me. When the y2k turtles came out, I was addicted not only because they were turtles, but because the turtles were animated and doing things animated turtles hadn't before (battles, actually hitting things, some true martial art moves, etc).

When Nick came out with their turtles, it just got better. I found myself rewinding and slowmo-ing certain scenes just to watch a martial art move in the animated sequence.

The Nick turtles is something I can throw on and instantly relate to my other siblings with because even though they aren't tmnt fans, how the turtles relate to one another is so blatantly similar to the way we grew up that it makes them laugh, too.

[ssjup81]

Interesting thread. One day I'll check out the 2k3 series...again. The one ep I saw in its original run didn't pull me in because it seemed like they were taking themselves too seriously, but that's a flaw on my part having grown up with the OT series which had action and comedy.

Anyway, one day I'll check it out.

[Leofan26]

I loved the 2003 series more. Even though the first few seasons focused more on Leo, it knew how to keep the arcs focused instead of jumping around like the 2012 series does. Say for example, let's compare the Karai arc between both versions, they didn't keep jumping around and forgetting the plot few episodes. They'd do filler episodes in between the arc when you really just want to see it focused on not focus on the arc every now and than and never brought up till the arc continues. That was an annoyance of mine on the 2012 series.

And than the character development, instead of two steps forward for every one they'll take two steps backwards. Leo is the only character the writers have been consistent with, course I'm not saying the 2003 series was perfect with that but in my opinion it did a slightly better job with it. Raph is one I can think of that falls into this category with the 2012 series, one moment they'll act like he's over his anger issues and is improving than another episode or two later he's back to being a bullie and jealous.

Animation, depends. I think the Animation matches the shows. 2003 series is darker and needed that type of style. 2012 series has lighter Animation but can make it darker when the show is, Leo V.S Shredder round 1.

Over all, I think the 2003 series has better quality.

[aliena]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

Interesting thread. One day I'll check out the 2k3 series...again. The one ep I saw in its original run didn't pull me in because it seemed like they were taking themselves too seriously, but that's a flaw on my part having grown up with the OT series which had action and comedy.

Anyway, one day I'll check it out.

I will admit that I struggled through season one and almost quit watching a few times, but then season two started up and I really began to binge the episodes until all hours of the night. Season two and three are really amazing with some of my favorite turtle episodes out all the incarnations.

I hope one day you get through the hard not so flavorful outer shell and get to the juicy goodness inside because it is so worth it. IMO anyway. You might not feel the same way. It's worth the risk though.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

Interesting thread. One day I'll check out the 2k3 series...again. The one ep I saw in its original run didn't pull me in because it seemed like they were taking themselves too seriously, but that's a flaw on my part having grown up with the OT series which had action and comedy.

Anyway, one day I'll check it out.

That's one of my biggest complaints with the 4kids series. Even though it's based on Mirage, which could be very dark & brooding at times, this show was just melodramatic for most of that. More emo than insecure, more whiny than pissed off, etc. For that it would sometimes border on laughable having anime dub voice actors & their limitations with censorship. Still worth a watch in full, it has some really good moments, nice animation, & plots that pay off.