Batman V. Superman: Dawn Of Justice

[Bry]

See, this is what this thread is doing to me. I hated Man of Steel. Like, hated it. Makes me angry even thinking about it. But the mere concept of a movie starring Batman and Superman that also isn't bending over backwards to exist in its own pocket universe completely separate from a wider DCU... is something I want very badly.

I hated Man of Steel, I think David Goyer's largely a hack, and I'm not a fan of Zack Snyder... but I'm still kind of quietly rooting for this to be good, deep down. (And I'm very hopefully taking Chris Terrio co-writing to be a good sign here - he wrote Argo and I know Affleck's an old-school comic fan, so I know he had to have some sway there.)

Also - if the thick, kinda-too-large jacket on Clark is a specific choice to cover his physique (like a toned-down version of Frank Quietly's Clark wearing baggy suits and constantly hunching over) then... hey, good choice!

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Bry

Even 37 years from now, I think the overall look of the Donner/Reeve movies will hold up a lot better than Snyder's.

But even 30 years from when they came out, today... they don't hold up at all.

[Leo656]

Given what we know of the story I'm not sure how it can miss. I don't exactly know what people want. It's a comic book style story with comic book style visuals, with scenes arranged, framed and shot as comic book panels are. People are complaining that it's dark out and raining a lot, and that nobody seems to be cracking jokes. I don't see why those are problems. I like that the DCU takes itself more seriously; that's what I want.

If the leaked plot synopsis was real - and months later they still haven't proven it's not - then it mathematically has to be awesome. I don't know what else people want. "Everybody's frowning. It's raining out." Big f*cking deal!

When the most cynical guy in the room says relax, people ought'a relax. Everything's Gonna Be Fine.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

But even 30 years from when they came out, today... they don't hold up at all.

So my statement seems especially damning of Snyder's style, I guess?

Originally Posted by Leo656

People are complaining that it's dark out and raining a lot, and that nobody seems to be cracking jokes. I don't see why those are problems. I like that the DCU takes itself more seriously; that's what I want.

I'm fine for that for some of the DCU. Batman, Wonder Woman (to some extent), maybe a Peter David-era-inspired Aquaman... sure. But the last thing I want is a "dark", serious Flash movie. Or Superman, honestly.

DC has a great opportunity to have some variance in tone and style and still tie it all together as a cohesive universe. That's the best possible thing they can do. The current leadership at DC Comics is just now getting the idea that their whole universe shouldn't be "grim and gritty", so I really hope that carries over to the movies. But I don't think Zack Snyder's the guy to understand that.

[Leo656]

Believe me, I have no doubt they will. I think the entire reason they're doing it this way, is to simply use the "Trinity" and the JLA to present the broad strokes of the DCU, and the individual movies from Suicide Squad to Flash and Green Lantern, will all be very different types of movies while being consistent within the same universe.

There's no reason to believe the entire DCU in film is going to have the exact same feel as these first two movies and the Batman movie. It's a symbolic thing being done on purpose. I understand it's not to everyone's taste but that's kind of besides the point. Not every movie is gonna look or feel the same. Snyder is just the overseer, he's not guiding every individual DC film project. They just have to branch off from the same base, the JLA films, but the entire point behind the solo films is for each one to be its own thing in both story and tone. They've said that a thousand times and people accused them of having "no direction" because they weren't going to all be the same thing by the same guy. Then you can just pick a random day, and people will be complaining the opposite, that they think it's all gonna be too much of the exact same thing in every movie, after they already said it's not gonna be.

I don't know. It's like a lot of people just woke up one day and decided they were gonna be mad at this movie, and all future DC movies We've had one so far. I'unno, guys. Here's how I see things:
1. I generally hate everything.
2. I'm right about everything.
3. I don't hate this. I am very chill thus far.

[Commenter 42]

So weird. The suit (formal suit not superhero costume) on Affleck doesn't hang right. The tailoring in the back is really odd. So many things in these pics jump out and scream at me.. lol.. sorry...

I'll calm down the bashing. It just seems like these guys love to **** up the obvious things.

Leo man, after watching all the extended stuff and behind the scenes of the Superman lives doc, one thing is clear: I finally understand the hype for Batman V Superman. It's not that Batman V Superman is SOOOO amazeballs; it's that it's miles closer than what anyone wanted to do since Superman II. These people HATE Superman. They hate comicbooks. They even hate each other. What a stew of ****.

You'll lose your **** watching it man. Seriously.. get on it - buy that bad boy!

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

But even 30 years from when they came out, today... they don't hold up at all.

Not sure where you're going here...You can't possibly think MOS was a better film. PLEASE don't be that guy

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

So weird. The suit (formal suit not superhero costume) on Affleck doesn't hang right. The tailoring in the back is really odd. So many things in these pics jump out and scream at me.. lol.. sorry...

I'll calm down the bashing. It just seems like these guys love to **** up the obvious things.

Leo man, after watching all the extended stuff and behind the scenes of the Superman lives doc, one thing is clear: I finally understand the hype for Batman V Superman. It's not that Batman V Superman is SOOOO amazeballs; it's that it's miles closer than what anyone wanted to do since Superman II. These people HATE Superman. They hate comicbooks. They even hate each other. What a stew of ****.

You'll lose your **** watching it man. Seriously.. get on it - buy that bad boy!

BINGO, buddy. I've been obsessed with the film franchise since I saw Superman IV as a kid, because I wanted Superman V more than a hundred Christmases. I know so much of what they tried to do, a hundred failed attempts, and I look at all this stuff we're getting now, and I'm able to relax and say, "Close enough", because for 15 years, the people at WB making DC movies f*cking hated the fact that that was their job and did everything they could to ruin it for everyone. What we're getting now ain't perfect. We are still well and truly blessed!

I've read a ton of books and articles about that abortion but I can't wait to see the doc. I mean, I'm sure I'll want to slit my wrists the entire time, but seeing it in living color should be quite the horror show!

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Here's how I see things:
1. I generally hate everything.
2. I'm right about everything.
3. I don't hate this. I am very chill thus far.

We may have the same problem.

1. I hate half-assed things.
2. I'm right about everything.
3. I hate this movie - so far.
4. I'm willing to be proven wrong.

[Leo656]

In the time they're taking to do this one movie, there's been 47 Marvel movies. [citation needed]

I'm not sure where the "half-assing" part comes in exactly. They're trying to do a lot, yeah, but from where I'm sitting it all looks pretty straight.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I'm able to relax and say, "Close enough", because for 15 years, the people at WB making DC movies f*cking hated the fact that that was their job and did everything they could to ruin it for everyone.

I've read a ton of books and articles about that abortion but I can't wait to see the doc. I mean, I'm sure I'll want to slit my wrists the entire time, but seeing it in living color should be quite the horror show!

Oh... man, no, that's the revelation. Lol, no...I mean they hate Superman as an idea. You'll understand once you watch the doc. I know, i read **** tons asbout it as well, but it's... it's just different. They've all dropped their guard. Theres very little pretense (aside from Smith, the eternal carnival barker), it's strange. Sympathy for the devil comes to mind...

The extended package is the best - you get all the un-edited interviews. Usually, that would be like, meh - but as i watched them, i realized the director was shaping what people said. he put a slant on things, intentional or not. watching Peters in the interview, vs in the movie...I don't know, it's like they're not seeing the real guy...

I'm dying for you to watch it!

[Leo656]

I'm hoping to pick it up next check. I've already spent more'n a few bucks on other Superman-related things I'm not prepared to go into detail about.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Leo656

In the time they're taking to do this one movie, there's been 47 Marvel movies. [citation needed]

I'm not sure where the "half-assing" part comes in exactly. They're trying to do a lot, yeah, but from where I'm sitting it all looks pretty straight.

Taking this long to make it happen had NOTHING to do with getting it right. Not in the slightest. It had everything to do with gambling, and hesitation.

I mean half ass, as in, in doing the research they should. half ass as in, no heart. It's a job, not a vocation. As in, choosing to take a point of view and starting with "how do we change this into x". Who the **** asked them for their ideas? This is the fundamental problem with hollywood. IDEA's...lol. Everyone thinks they're bringing something to the table, and that's the big problem.

Seriously, WATCH THE DOC! Go download it man...man of steel is chock full of **** from Superman lives, conceptually. WB never lets go of anything they've ever paid for. It all shows up some how. good or bad, they find a way to use everything. It's so stupid.

Originally Posted by Leo656

I'm hoping to pick it up next check. I've already spent more'n a few bucks on other Superman-related things I'm not prepared to go into detail about.

Overshare?

[Leo656]

Oh, you're not wrong there's a lot of recycling going on. They're still using a lot of the same pieces they've been trying to use for a while now. They're just being better at it.

Nothing ever gets thrown away, and nothing's ever "new"; they just staple old sh*t together and make new sh*t. At least they're being close to the books this time.

[Commenter 42]

Meanwhile, Marvel looks to be screwing up their one shot at Spider-man



Confusing To say the least.

Look, I get it, a literal translation immediately conjures up ideas of Cosplay. Sure. I get the impetus to create something that's never been scene before. But come on! Just because he made the suit himself, doesn't mean it should look stupid, or homemade. The guy built web shooters, I'm sure he could figure out a sewing machine.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Meanwhile, marvel looks to be screwing up their one shot at Spider-man

http://img14.deviantart.net/c787/i/2...dm-d50crht.jpg

Confusing To say the least.

Not confusing in the least. He's proto-Spider-Man. And there won't be an origin story. It'll be a glorified cameo at best in Cap 3, and a full on Spider-Man with proper costume in the actual Spider-Man movie in couple years.

Neither the Maguire or Garfield costumes seem like they'd be something he'd come up with in his apartment with his aunt. They're finally doing that for real.

[Commenter 42]

F*ck Proto-Spider-man

I'm not confused by what their going for, I confused as to WHY. You finally get the rights back, and deliver this? If that's the case, give him back to Sony.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

F*ck Proto-Spider-man

I'm not confused by what their going for, I confused as to WHY. You finally get the rights back, and deliver this? If that's the case, give him back to Sony.

A very strange standpoint. The why is ridiculously easy... they've yet to establish Spider-Man in the Marvel cinematic universe, and aren't going to delve in to an origin story (which everyone and their mom is afraid of them doing). By virtue of when the deal with Sony and Marvel, Marvel is only able to actually utilize Spider-Man now, here at the beginning of "Phase 3" of their films. So here we are. Had they been able to utilize Spider-Man the whole time, I'm certain it'd be a whole different ballgame, but Marvel is doing the best they can with the truly awesome opportunity presented to them because Amazing Spider-Man 2 absolutely sucked and bombed critically. But yes. Even origin story aside, they have to kind of massage this new Spider-Man into things and I'm sure Sony wants to save the biggest broadstrokes for the actual Spider-Man relaunch movie.

[Commenter 42]

Spidey can pop in and unmask himself in civil war wearing his red and blues just as easily. The "proto" look is a studio add on, it gives them something to save (The "real" costume) for the Spiderman solo film. You didn't get that bicycle for Christmas, but if you're a good boy, maybe you'll get it next Christmas.
They love dangling that carrot....boy do they love it. I blame Schumacher!

Since we all know the story, stop trying to re tell the same story. It's like the Marvel version of How I met your Mother.

[MikeandRaph87]

Reports suggest third string Bat Rogue The KGBeast will be Lex Luthor's right-hand man. Its odd considering the Cold War ties of the character and being obscure for the most part.
http://news.yahoo.com/batman-v-super...121154144.html

[Leo656]

So I don't have a link, but rumor is that there was a screening of the rough cut for WB executives a few days ago and it blew them away, especially Ben, who they called "The Definitive Batman". Allegedly, they now want three Affleck solo Batman films to spin out of this, and Batman to have a strong presence in the cinematic DCU as a whole.

Not really surprised. Can't complain.