Worst Version of Bebop and Rocksteady

[GoldMutant]

Originally Posted by Ninturtle

I'm suprised Nicks version is getting so many votes. I find them way more entertaining than the brain dead OT versions. Perhaps nostalgia is why people like the OT over Nicks version.

I think the problem man is the radically annoying personalities and ethics of Steranko and Zeck as the duo. Probably due to the grating attitude of Zeck with his voice unsure on Rocksteady.

I personally like them, maybe giving them one more episode before mutating at least. They were handled very well though, really tragic in their mutation. Strange really.

[Ninturtle]

Originally Posted by GoldMutant

I think the problem man is the radically annoying personalities and ethics of Steranko and Zeck as the duo. Probably due to the grating attitude of Zeck with his voice unsure on Rocksteady.

I personally like them, maybe giving them one more episode before mutating at least. They were handled very well though, really tragic in their mutation. Strange really.

I didn't think their personalitys were annoying and Bebops voice fits the character well. The interactions between the characters are great and I really like the dynamic that they aren't that loyal to Shredder and that they fear him. I just think it's great that they found a way to make them funny with out them being stupid.

[Klunk1234]

I choose the IDW, not because they look intimitating and a thread to the TMNT. I simply chose it because I love Donnie and it was horrible what they did to him.

[Ninturtle]

Originally Posted by Klunk1234

I choose the IDW, not because they look intimitating and a thread to the TMNT. I simply chose it because I love Donnie and it was horrible what they did to him.

I really don't understand this logic. I love Leonardo and even when Shredder beats the crap out of him in the 03 series in Shredder Strikes Back I still like Shredder because he's a great villian. How does a villian hurting a main character make them any less cool, to me it makes no sense.

[Coola Yagami]

It was just sad at times how weak and pathetic they were at times. Like, they actually felt threatened by their old gang. Despite the fact that they were now mutant animals with supposed more strength than ordinary humans, they were still scared of their old gang.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

It was just sad at times how weak and pathetic they were at times. Like, they actually felt threatened by their old gang. Despite the fact that they were now mutant animals with supposed more strength than ordinary humans, they were still scared of their old gang.

Because their mutations didn't give them any extra strength in the original cartoon, just altered their look. Maybe Rocksteady was slightly bulkier because of his horns.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Um, yeah, they did, actually. Rocksteady especially got stronger, but even Bebop gained a bit more brute strength in the OT. Like when they encountered the turtles for the first time post-mutation and were tearing up the street, or when they went back to their old gang in The Gang's All Here, and RS proved his identity by bashing through a brick wall and Jersey Red admitted that only those two would be that dumb. So, yeah, they DID get stronger. proved it a few other times, too, IIRC.

As for feeling threatened by the old gang? Since when? They actually went back and asked them to help with a job for Shredder in the episode I mentioned above! And the gang all fell in and followed THEIR orders, so we know R&B weren't in the least intimidated by THEM- more like the other way around.

That said, they DID suffer an extreme case of villain decay as time went on, but then, so did everyone else. Shredder went from evil Mastermind to Krang's whiney gofer, and Baxter lost his damn mind. Even Rat King ended up as the "guest villain of the week" stand-in more often than not.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Um, yeah, they did, actually. Rocksteady especially got stronger, but even Bebop gained a bit more brute strength in the OT. Like when they encountered the turtles for the first time post-mutation and were tearing up the street, or when they went back to their old gang in The Gang's All Here, and RS proved his identity by bashing through a brick wall and Jersey Red admitted that only those two would be that dumb. So, yeah, they DID get stronger. proved it a few other times, too, IIRC.

As for feeling threatened by the old gang? Since when? They actually went back and asked them to help with a job for Shredder in the episode I mentioned above! And the gang all fell in and followed THEIR orders, so we know R&B weren't in the least intimidated by THEM- more like the other way around.

That said, they DID suffer an extreme case of villain decay as time went on, but then, so did everyone else. Shredder went from evil Mastermind to Krang's whiney gofer, and Baxter lost his damn mind. Even Rat King ended up as the "guest villain of the week" stand-in more often than not.

I wish I could remember the ep name, but there's that ep where Bebop threw a car and the turtles themselves were noting their strength, hence their being an actual threat in the beginning. It's the ep with the debut of the Turtle Blimp, iirc. I also noticed that the two weren't childlike or intimidated by Shredder and Krang in the beginning.

That aside, I agree with all you said here.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Yup. Exactly that. Man, you thought of one even I forgot about! I think my memory is slipping....

[Bombshell]

I was never a fan of those guys, even as a kid watching the 80's cartoon. I picked the Nick version but I'm actually kind of torn. I really enjoy Nick's Rhino but Bebop makes me want to puncture my eardrums. He's a bit less annoying after his mutation but my god, they made that character almost unbearable.

Tokka and Razaar are my favorite henchmen duo.

[Coola Yagami]

I do like the new Bebop, his crazy Jackson/Prince style and sense of humor. At first people didn't seem to care about Anton cause they assumed that he'd somehow lose his antics as a mutant, and are turned off that we see Bebop still acting like Anton.... But yeah, this is a whole new character based on an old one. He's supposed to act different. I knew he was different the moment Anton was introduced as a master thief with Tron gear instead of a generic street thug. Being a mutant wasn't gonna make that go away.

[Klunk1234]

Originally Posted by Ninturtle

I really don't understand this logic. I love Leonardo and even when Shredder beats the crap out of him in the 03 series in Shredder Strikes Back I still like Shredder because he's a great villian. How does a villian hurting a main character make them any less cool, to me it makes no sense.

At least Leo wasn't with his shell horribly cracked and laying in a pool of his own
blood like poor Donnie. Have you seen the last page of #44? It made a lot of people to be in shocked ( me, included) and many of them cried.

[PangolinFeets]

Originally Posted by Klunk1234

At least Leo wasn't with his shell horribly cracked and laying in a pool of his own
blood like poor Donnie. Have you seen the last page of #44? It made a lot of people to be in shocked ( me, included) and many of them cried.

So they made you feel something. It takes a pretty powerful character to make consumers have really strong feelings about their actions. They might be pretty damn evil, but they're really excellent villains. If they were boring, it wouldn't be a great series.

In any case, I think the discussion is in regards to which version of B&R the poorest representation of the core aspects of those characters.

[Slade]

I don't like the characters at all. Think Nick is the worst.

IDW's are okay.

[Cipher]

While they're rather good callous villains in the IDW book, sh*t, nothing about that book is as transparently steeped in nostalgia as those two. Why do they loo like that?

These two are fun, and I was probably clamoring to see a serious version when Laird had them off limits, but, man, outside of their iconography in the Fred Wolf era, they're really hard to justify in modern versions. They're as '80s as you can get, and certainly not irreplaceable if you're looking for callous muscle villains, even mutant ones. At least you wouldn't have to explain a new characters' name.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Originally Posted by PangolinFeets

Like in the IDW micro when their only job is to sit and look tough at Karai's secret meeting with the Ghost Boys, but they unintentionally start a gang war Karai's plans? Or when they fail their only other 'assignment'?*cough*issue45*cough* IDW's version has yet to successfully accomplish anything they've been ordered to do.

I think maybe the Nick version is the most competent so far (honestly, I haven't seen enough of them to truly comment on it).

Are you kidding me?! They wiped out an entire platoon of foot soldiers, survived multiple stab wounds and bullets wounds, with weapons still sticking out of their bodies, turned the tide at cityfall- where it took a freakin' grenade to even slow them down, and it took two teams of mutants, including the turtles and Splinter- to drive them away. And as someone else already said, what happened to Donnie. Okay, maybe they as slow in the brains department as the OT versions were, but if you give the simple orders of 'go and smash' they are nigh-unstoppable engines of death.

So yeah, they are more competent than the OT versions. And I'm really tired of people only thinking 'fred wolf' when these two are brought up, there are multiple versions that have nothing to do with the originals buffoonery.

[sdp]

Beebop and Rocksteady fit perfectly in the OT. How are they considered the worst version?

Archie's versions are pretty much irrelevant, I only got to see Beebop in one episode of Nick but he was just another generic mutant there. How exactly is the OT version now considered the worst version?

[Ceres]

Originally Posted by <TmNtRoX-1997>

Beebop and Rocksteady fit perfectly in the OT. How are they considered the worst version?

Archie's versions are pretty much irrelevant, I only got to see Beebop in one episode of Nick but he was just another generic mutant there. How exactly is the OT version now considered the worst version?

Because People want to see a smart Bebop and Rocksteady, Bumbling Buffoons is soooo 80`s ~ Ya know?

*jokes aside*

Nick are the worst. Hands down

[PangolinFeets]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

Are you kidding me?! They wiped out an entire platoon of foot soldiers, survived multiple stab wounds and bullets wounds, with weapons still sticking out of their bodies, turned the tide at cityfall- where it took a freakin' grenade to even slow them down, and it took two teams of mutants, including the turtles and Splinter- to drive them away. And as someone else already said, what happened to Donnie. Okay, maybe they as slow in the brains department as the OT versions were, but if you give the simple orders of 'go and smash' they are nigh-unstoppable engines of death.

So yeah, they are more competent than the OT versions. And I'm really tired of people only thinking 'fred wolf' when these two are brought up, there are multiple versions that have nothing to do with the originals buffoonery.

I'm not saying they're not massive, hulking beasts of destruction. I'm saying they're eternally bad at it.
They wiped out a platoon of foot soldiers which they weren't supposed to. They stumbled into a meeting of the Mutanimals and turtles, where they tried to take them out, but failed and decided not to tell Karai about it.
And even at the end of City Fall, Leo and Splinter get away. Everything they've done, they've messed up. However, I love them for it. I think being bad at it should be their signature trait.

And that was what I pitched to Dustin Weaver and Ben Bates when I said they should do Bebop and Rocksteady as an ongoing series.

[Ninturtle]

Originally Posted by EmpressOfShadows

Because People want to see a smart Bebop and Rocksteady, Bumbling Buffoons is soooo 80`s ~ Ya know?

*jokes aside*

Nick are the worst. Hands down

No it's because the only trait they have in the OT is that they're stupid henchman. They aren't as funny as the are in Nick anc IDW. With Nick the humor comes from their interactions with each other which isn't just them saying something stupid to each other. What traits do the OT versions have that don't stem from stupidity ( there's not many ).