Which 1987 cartoon villain would you want to see as the main villain?

Yabuturtle · 08-18-2015, 01:18 PM

I added Bebop and Rocksteady as a joke. xD Unless maybe some people would really want to see those two do some real damage. xD

I just added a list of known villains and really Krang is technically the main villain and not Shredder so much as he gives orders out and comes up with most of the schemes. I was just wondering if you were to change some things in this cartoon who do you see as the most badass, competent cool villain? Who do you see as calling the shots, coming up with awesome plans and being a force to be reckoned with.

*Autbot_Benz* · 08-18-2015, 01:25 PM

We are talking about the 1987 cartoon which was a comedy aka all the villain were incompetent morons. Nobody could be badass in the 87 cartoon

~~ABrown~~ · 08-18-2015, 01:32 PM

I don't really understand this question. Shredder and Krang were the main villains of the series, at least through the end of the 8th season. Then Dregg became the main villain during the final two seasons. I found Dregg to be an extremely refreshing replacement for Shredder and Krang, especially being voiced by Tony Jay.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-18-2015, 01:34 PM

I voted Rat King, even though I don't see what the point of this thread is. But Rat King is awesome.

Yabuturtle · 08-18-2015, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

We are talking about the 1987 cartoon which was a comedy aka all the villain were incompetent morons. Nobody could be badass in the 87 cartoon

Except for Beserko, Megavolt, Chronos, Dregg ect.

Didn't you see the Red Sky Seasons? That was part of the 1987 cartoon. And besides even before that, there were still bad ass moments that Krang and Shredder had. A lot more than one would think. They all weren't Care Bears villains, you know. Some were very silly and some were genuinely threatening.

Yabuturtle · 08-18-2015, 01:36 PM

Sorry I have to explain this. This thread is if you wanted to call the shots making the 1987 cartoon, who would you have wanted to be the main villain. As in, who do you think fits the mantle of "Main Villain" more. We all know Krang Shredder and Dregg but some think Beserko would have been a better main villain. Some even think Tempestra would be better or Shreeka ect.

It's basically asking who would you have wanted the Turtles to have the most trouble fighting against. Or someone you thought was the most badass, threatening, and powerful, physically, mentally, ect.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-18-2015, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Yabuturtle

Sorry I have to explain this. This thread is if you wanted to call the shots making the 1987 cartoon, who would you have wanted to be the main villain. As in, who do you think fits the mantle of "Main Villain" more. We all know Krang Shredder and Dregg but some think Beserko would have been a better main villain. Some even think Tempestra would be better or Shreeka ect.

It's basically asking who would you have wanted the Turtles to have the most trouble fighting against. Or someone you thought was the most badass, threatening, and powerful, physically, mentally, ect.

I think the only way to survive as a viable ongoing story is to not have one true main villain. Ebb and flow, some defeated, some return...

But Rat King could carry a season or two.

*Prowler* · 08-18-2015, 01:55 PM

Shredder and Krang were the main villains throughout the series except for the final two seasons. So it'd be odd to see any other established villain take over their spot. And it seems like the writers felt likewise and thus decided to create a new villain from scratch to replace Shredder and Krang instead of "promoting" a secondary villain to main villain status. In season 8 they seemed to be clearly experimenting with newer villains such as Titanus and Megavolt. But didn't seem to have plans for them in the long term and season 8's ratings weren't that impressive as far as I know either.

As much as I like The Rat King, it doesn't seem like he'd work as a main villain. He'd what, command a bunch of rats from the sewers? Not convincing enough for an entire season to focus on him.

Baxter? He was too much of a naive idiot at that point to be taken any seriously as a main villain.

Tempestra was simply a video game turned to life. Not main villain material either.

Titanus was a 3-episode arc villain and him becoming a main villain would have turned the cartoon into a mutant war fest and make the Turtles feel less unique. Sorta like an X-Men parody almost.

Chrome Dome? He didn't even have any free will.

Chronos was an interesting one shot villain, but not the type that could carry an entire season. He'd wear thin fairly quickly. Maybe an occasional return or two, but not more than that.

Yabuturtle · 08-18-2015, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Prowler

Shredder and Krang were the main villains throughout the series except for the final two seasons. So it'd be odd to see any other established villain take over their spot. And it seems like the writers felt likewise and thus decided to create a new villain from scratch to replace Shredder and Krang instead of "promoting" a secondary villain to main villain status. In season 8 they seemed to be clearly experimenting with newer villains such as Titanus and Megavolt. But didn't seem to have plans for them in the long term and season 8's ratings weren't that impressive as far as I know either.

As much as I like The Rat King, it doesn't seem like he'd work as a main villain. He'd what, command a bunch of rats from the sewers? Not convincing enough for an entire season to focus on him.

Baxter? He was too much of a naive idiot at that point to be taken any seriously as a main villain.

Tempestra was simply a video game turned to life. Not main villain material either.

Titanus was a 3-episode arc villain and him becoming a main villain would have turned the cartoon into a mutant war fest and make the Turtles feel less unique. Sorta like an X-Men parody almost.

Chrome Dome? He didn't even have any free will.

Chronos was an interesting one shot villain, but not the type that could carry an entire season. He'd wear thin fairly quickly. Maybe an occasional return or two, but not more than that.

Things change over the season. Such as with Shredder who was threatning at first, then became a joke only to be taken seriously again in the later seasons I'm sure they could have made Baxter more competent and threatening.

Chrome Dome I think could have been better if he was given free will like Artificial Intelligence. He was super intelligent and incredibly hard to damage.

Megavolt I think was main villain material or Beserko. Dreg was decent though.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-18-2015, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Prowler

As much as I like The Rat King, it doesn't seem like he'd work as a main villain. He'd what, command a bunch of rats from the sewers? Not convincing enough for an entire season to focus on him.

He could turn Splinter against the Turtles; that'd be good for a full season. But I wouldn't trust Fred Wolf to do it well.

*Prowler* · 08-18-2015, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

He could turn Splinter against the Turtles; that'd be good for a full season. But I wouldn't trust Fred Wolf to do it well.

We had that already in one episode. And if I remember correctly, the effects of the flute on Splinter weren't permanent, but temporary. So I don't see how a storyline like that could work well for a whole season.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 08-18-2015, 04:21 PM

Yeah, I agree. None of the others really fit, they were made for "one-shot" roles, and not much more. Dregg came the closest, but just wasn't popular enough.

*Shark_Blade* · 08-19-2015, 04:09 AM

Shredder, duh.

There's a reason he's the main villain in Mirage 1st issue, and the last boss fight in the video games.

*ssjup81* · 08-19-2015, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Yabuturtle

Things change over the season. Such as with Shredder who was threatning at first, then became a joke only to be taken seriously again in the later seasons I'm sure they could have made Baxter more competent and threatening.

Chrome Dome I think could have been better if he was given free will like Artificial Intelligence. He was super intelligent and incredibly hard to damage.

Megavolt I think was main villain material or Beserko. Dreg was decent though.

Fly Baxter was more of a threat since he wanted revenge on Shredder, Krang, and the Turtles, sorta like Nick's Bebop and Rocksteady. Sucks his intelligence was leaving him, causing him to forget what his actual objective was and how easily tricked he was.

Yabuturtle · 08-19-2015, 08:22 PM

I think Megavolt had the potential to be "main villain" material. He had a cool backstory, a cool voice and awesome powers, being able to turn power into matter. That's a pretty impressive feat and not to mention he was an amazing ninja who had a legion of ninjas at his command. His armored suit was cool, even though it was kind of random for him to look like an insect.

Kris · 08-23-2015, 10:32 PM

I would definitely still go with Shredder on this one.

IronBoomer · 08-23-2015, 10:49 PM

Shredder and Krang are always going to be the main, but if I had to pick an alternate, I'd go with Tempestra. She always deserved more than just the one episode and the Sinister Six take off.

*Wesley* · 08-24-2015, 10:50 AM

Shredder. Shreeka isn't listed in this poll, but she could've been a good recurring villain, since she had an interesting backstory. I liked her personality, too.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 08-24-2015, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Prowler

video game turned to life. Not main villain material either.

Seems more like a Captain N concept or maybe a Mario cartoon (if it was Bowswer)...

View Poll Results: in the 1987 cartoon, which villian would you have wanted to be the main villain?
Krang	2	18.18%
Shredder	4	36.36%
Rat King	3	27.27%
Tempestra	1	9.09%
Chrome Dome	0	0%
Dregg	0	0%
Beserko	0	0%
Chronos	0	0%
Titanus	0	0%
Megavolt	1	9.09%
Baxter Stockman	0	0%
Bebop/Rocksteady	0	0%
Voters: 11. You may not vote on this poll

08-18-2015, 01:18 PM	#1
Yabuturtle Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 602	Which 1987 cartoon villain would you want to see as the main villain? I added Bebop and Rocksteady as a joke. xD Unless maybe some people would really want to see those two do some real damage. xD I just added a list of known villains and really Krang is technically the main villain and not Shredder so much as he gives orders out and comes up with most of the schemes. I was just wondering if you were to change some things in this cartoon who do you see as the most badass, competent cool villain? Who do you see as calling the shots, coming up with awesome plans and being a force to be reckoned with.

08-18-2015, 01:25 PM	#2
Autbot_Benz Hellblazer Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ventura California Posts: 9,190	We are talking about the 1987 cartoon which was a comedy aka all the villain were incompetent morons. Nobody could be badass in the 87 cartoon __________________ I respect what FW cartoon did for the turtles franchise but it is the most overrated and hard to watch of the 3 turtles cartoons.

08-18-2015, 01:34 PM	#4
CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy Annalist Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 16,435	I voted Rat King, even though I don't see what the point of this thread is. But Rat King is awesome. __________________ *ALL THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED*

08-18-2015, 04:21 PM	#12
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	Yeah, I agree. None of the others really fit, they were made for "one-shot" roles, and not much more. Dregg came the closest, but just wasn't popular enough. __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

08-18-2015, 01:32 PM	#3
~~ABrown~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,831	I don't really understand this question. Shredder and Krang were the main villains of the series, at least through the end of the 8th season. Then Dregg became the main villain during the final two seasons. I found Dregg to be an extremely refreshing replacement for Shredder and Krang, especially being voiced by Tony Jay.

08-18-2015, 01:36 PM	#6
Yabuturtle Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 602	Sorry I have to explain this. This thread is if you wanted to call the shots making the 1987 cartoon, who would you have wanted to be the main villain. As in, who do you think fits the mantle of "Main Villain" more. We all know Krang Shredder and Dregg but some think Beserko would have been a better main villain. Some even think Tempestra would be better or Shreeka ect. It's basically asking who would you have wanted the Turtles to have the most trouble fighting against. Or someone you thought was the most badass, threatening, and powerful, physically, mentally, ect.

08-18-2015, 01:55 PM	#8
Prowler Emperor Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,999	Shredder and Krang were the main villains throughout the series except for the final two seasons. So it'd be odd to see any other established villain take over their spot. And it seems like the writers felt likewise and thus decided to create a new villain from scratch to replace Shredder and Krang instead of "promoting" a secondary villain to main villain status. In season 8 they seemed to be clearly experimenting with newer villains such as Titanus and Megavolt. But didn't seem to have plans for them in the long term and season 8's ratings weren't that impressive as far as I know either. As much as I like The Rat King, it doesn't seem like he'd work as a main villain. He'd what, command a bunch of rats from the sewers? Not convincing enough for an entire season to focus on him. Baxter? He was too much of a naive idiot at that point to be taken any seriously as a main villain. Tempestra was simply a video game turned to life. Not main villain material either. Titanus was a 3-episode arc villain and him becoming a main villain would have turned the cartoon into a mutant war fest and make the Turtles feel less unique. Sorta like an X-Men parody almost. Chrome Dome? He didn't even have any free will. Chronos was an interesting one shot villain, but not the type that could carry an entire season. He'd wear thin fairly quickly. Maybe an occasional return or two, but not more than that.

08-19-2015, 04:09 AM	#13
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	Shredder, duh. There's a reason he's the main villain in Mirage 1st issue, and the last boss fight in the video games.

08-19-2015, 08:22 PM	#15
Yabuturtle Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 602	I think Megavolt had the potential to be "main villain" material. He had a cool backstory, a cool voice and awesome powers, being able to turn power into matter. That's a pretty impressive feat and not to mention he was an amazing ninja who had a legion of ninjas at his command. His armored suit was cool, even though it was kind of random for him to look like an insect.

08-23-2015, 10:32 PM	#16
Kris Random Punk Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 27	I would definitely still go with Shredder on this one.

08-23-2015, 10:49 PM	#17
IronBoomer Random Punk Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Missouri Posts: 24	Shredder and Krang are always going to be the main, but if I had to pick an alternate, I'd go with Tempestra. She always deserved more than just the one episode and the Sinister Six take off. __________________ Shameless Self Promotion: My Podcast - http://frustratedpodcast.com - The Frustrated Fans!

08-24-2015, 10:50 AM	#18
Wesley Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Republic of Ireland Posts: 1,597	Shredder. Shreeka isn't listed in this poll, but she could've been a good recurring villain, since she had an interesting backstory. I liked her personality, too. __________________ Donatello: The tracker! It might work. Donatello goes to the back of the Turtle Van Raphael: Shrewd move, Donatello. If we ignore the problem, it might go away by itself. (from The Mean Machines)