fox's fantastic four reboot - Page 17

*NinjaPug* · 08-15-2015, 08:41 PM

I also wouldn't call hiring an actor that worked with the director before a publicity stunt.

*The Stryker* · 08-15-2015, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkLightDragon

Nobody was hoping it would've been good.

Why would nobody hope it's good? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

"I hope it's a terrible movie. A good movie being around would be bad."

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 08-15-2015, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

They didn't. He's still American.

I think he meant ethnicity.

*LeotheLateBloomer* · 08-15-2015, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Did people expect this movie to be really good? As as they cast a black actor as the human torch that should have been a red flag. Changing long established characters nationalities is a publicity stunt.

So by that logic, The Amazing Spider-Man 2 sucked because Jamie Foxx played Electro. Nationalities should never matter as long as you can play the part correctly.

*BabyTurtles* · 08-15-2015, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Did people expect this movie to be really good? As as they cast a black actor as the human torch that should have been a red flag. Changing long established characters nationalities is a publicity stunt.

.......uhhhh.....Nick Fury? shouldn't he have been a red flag?

I guess the new Peter Pan movie will fail too since Tiger Lily is white instead of Native American....it must also be a publicity stunt.

*TurtleTitan97* · 08-15-2015, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

.......uhhhh.....Nick Fury? shouldn't he have been a red flag?

MCU Nick Fury is probably an exception considering that version is based on the Ultimates version, which in turn was based on Samuel Jackson himself.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 08-15-2015, 11:32 PM

^ Yup. This. I'm personally torn on which one I like better- Comic 616 Nick, or UMU/MCU Nick. Both are awesome, but both are also products of their times.

TLP · 08-16-2015, 12:49 PM

Who cares what color his skin is, he's human.

At least he's not a dirty, filthy Skrull.

*TheBlueTurtle1* · 08-16-2015, 01:10 PM

To sum up. Fox need to work a deal out with Marvel. Reboot the F4 with an older cast , white johnny (like the comics) already have them as an established team with powers. Maybe explain there origins in a 5 min flashback scene.

They can be used in other marvel movies.

Use The Dr Doom we all know and love.

Simple WIN WIN WIN

Darth Knuckles · 08-21-2015, 04:48 PM

I know it's weird to post here for a fourth time, especially since I haven't seen this movie, but I think I've answered the question I had placed in this thread earlier.

I had watched an interview with Toby Kebbell, before Fantastic Four came out, and he asked the interviewer if he noticed where Dr. Doom got his cloak after being stuck in the negative zone. He asked it like it would be interesting for the viewer to catch that little factoid. So I've oddly been trying to figure it out myself from just the trailers I'd seen for the movie. I think I might have figured it out (if anyone else cares). I think Dr. Doom's cloak is the singed American flag that Reed (?) takes in the pods when they go to the negative zone. If anybody else actually knows where Dr. Doom's cloak came from (or if anyone else cares

) you're welcome to correct me.

*Candy Kappa* · 08-21-2015, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkLightDragon

Nobody was hoping it would've been good.

None of us just really imagined it turned out this bad before and after the film was released.

I was hoping it would have been good. 1/2 of the main cast was pretty decent, and the other two, playing Reed and Ben could have worked.

~~Mew~~ · 08-21-2015, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

I was hoping it would have been good. 1/2 of the main cast was pretty decent, and the other two, playing Reed and Ben could have worked.

I can concur. I liked the Thing's design.

~~Leo656~~ · 08-21-2015, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth Knuckles

I think Dr. Doom's cloak is the singed American flag that Reed (?) takes in the pods when they go to the negative zone. If anybody else actually knows where Dr. Doom's cloak came from (or if anyone else cares

) you're welcome to correct me.

I've read in other interviews that that is in fact what we the viewers are meant to assume, the flag is definitely the cloak. Although I'd hardly call it "interesting". More like, "Okay, fine, that's a thing you can do, sure." Kinda dumb if you ask me. What is it, a forced ham-fisted metaphor or something, about how he "ironically wraps himself in the flag of the country and government who let him down?" Who's gonna get that, besides me, who over-thinks everything? I mean really. Dumb idea.

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Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

I was hoping it would have been good. 1/2 of the main cast was pretty decent, and the other two, playing Reed and Ben could have worked.

Eh. The studio didn't even want the kid who played Reed, Trank pitched a fit until they caved in and hired him, and then the two of them couldn't get along to the point they almost had a fist-fight on set. And the studio forced Trank to hire the chick who played Sue, and he "punished" her by never speaking to her for the entire shoot.

This thing was NEVER gonna be any good and it's really easy to see why if you peek behind the curtain. Wrong people running it. When the wrong people are guiding a project then you can NOT make up the difference just by having something good in every other key area. Poisoned seeds bring rotting fruit.

*Candy Kappa* · 08-21-2015, 08:16 PM

wow... That's some messed up behind-the-scenes stuff.

~~Leo656~~ · 08-21-2015, 08:31 PM

When your entire mission statement starts and ends with, "Let's crank this thing out before we lose the rights," you're already doomed (no pun intended). When you go into something for the wrong reasons you're not likely to get anything good out of it.

Darth Knuckles · 08-21-2015, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

I've read in other interviews that that is in fact what we the viewers are meant to assume, the flag is definitely the cloak. Although I'd hardly call it "interesting". More like, "Okay, fine, that's a thing you can do, sure." Kinda dumb if you ask me.

Alright thanks! Nice to hear this confirmed. I don't see why it's much of a deal at all in the movie either really. I don't know why I even cared that much about where his cloak came from in the first place honestly.

~~Leo656~~ · 08-22-2015, 12:06 AM

Probably, because they told you that you were gonna care, so you expected it to be worth caring about.

Not your fault, they don't play fair.

*JTH* · 08-22-2015, 11:22 AM

Seeing Fant4stic is like eating a whole pizza.

Cost 12 bucks, and you feel like throwing up when it's finished.

~~JakeSully~~ · 08-22-2015, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Looks like FOX have opted out of FF2, wanting instead for a Deadpool sequel to take up the slot

http://www.dailysuperhero.com/2015/0...nsidering.html

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Fox can just continue with there own cinematic universe with the X-Men movies, they got Deadpool coming out, and then X-Men: Apocalypse after that.

I remember reading about a year ago, That they wanted to do an X-Force movie, and Deadpool was part of that team.

Fox can make a cinematic universe based on all the X-Men spinoff comics. Such as Excalibur X-Factor, and Alpha Flight to name a few.

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Originally Posted by Leofan26

I laugh at how bad this film is doing, whoever decided to write up this was just.. Freak the previous films versions were better than this, in my opinion these actors couldn't act that or the people that were working with them sucked. They didn't seem much like a team, previous films did a better job with that and why can't Fox get the villain right ever? I hope Fox lets Fantastic four stay dead, this was it's best chance to re due it for better but noooo it back fires on us. Look I'm not saying Fantastic Four is the most original concept but I'm one of the few people who enjoyed the series, Flaming Tourtch being my favorite character so yah not good guy's. You suck Fox!

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Originally Posted by DarkLightDragon

As someone who isn't a big FF fan either, but can't help to not look away from this trainwreck of a movie and it's fallout, I can't begin to imagine how they'd f*ck up other FF characters like Galactus than making him some big doom-cloud in the last movie.

I mean, if they couldn't make Doom's iconic look imposing, then I can't see how more or less ridiculous they'd make Galactus. Cause a a cloud is pretty much the standard of "ridiculous idea for a main villain or Big Bad" you could possibly push so far.

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Originally Posted by Bry

I can't agree. Having rewatched them in the past week: The 2000s movies were absolutely mediocre, but they at least got the FF characters themselves pretty right and tried to have a little fun with the material. They were cheesy, but... the FF kind of should be cheesy, y'know? A good FF movie should be clever and bright and colourful and fun and emotional. The 2000s movies only got a few of those right, but the new movie flopped hard on all of them, IMO.

The 2000s movies weren't good, but I was at least entertained. Which is a hell of a lot more than I can say for Tranktastic Four.

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Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

For those who did not like the film and actually think a petition can do something here is a petition gping around the internet.

https://www.change.org/p/everybody-g...marvel-studios

Yes, Fox should just cancel FF 2 and do only X-Men related things and leave FF alone. I think Marvel can do better justice to FF and i signed the petition. Hopefully they can FF 2 in favor of Deadpool sequels and wouldn't it be awesome to see Silver Surfer and Galactus is a Guardians and Avenger sequel? even Doc Doom in an Avengers sequel would be awesome since he is an Avengers villain and a Spider-Man bad guy besides FF.

I'm glad Marvel Comics stopped licensing their products to other studios like Fox, Lionsgate, Universal, Sony, New Line etc. due to screw ups like Fantastic Four, Man-Thing, Hulk, Elektra, Fantastic Four 1 & 2, Blade 3 etc and made their own studio where they are in control of their properties and make their own decisions. Although Fox is doing damn swell with X-Men with Singer back in creative control, it's just Fox can't do FF right and Marvel can do FF right once they get FF license back.

Hell Spider-Man by Marvel can be good you know now that he is part of the MCU and

*chrisdude* · 08-22-2015, 01:18 PM

People say Fox can't do FF, like Fox is one person, sitting somewhere, calling all the shots. And this one person totally "gets" X-Men, but doesn't understand FF. Like the studio is making ridiculous demands for FF, and not X-Men. I'm not saying "the suits" can't ruin a movie. But why would they ruin one thing and excel at another, at the same time? It really sounds like hiring Trank was the big mistake. Maybe they should let Singer or Vaughn have FF.

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TheBlueTurtle1 Foot Elite Join Date: May 2012 Location: UK Posts: 2,892	To sum up. Fox need to work a deal out with Marvel. Reboot the F4 with an older cast , white johnny (like the comics) already have them as an established team with powers. Maybe explain there origins in a 5 min flashback scene. They can be used in other marvel movies. Use The Dr Doom we all know and love. Simple WIN WIN WIN __________________ http://jandmdev.deviantart.com/ (My Brother and I have a dev page, I am J, brother is M)

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Darth Knuckles Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2012 Location: Mutani-Isle Posts: 703	I know it's weird to post here for a fourth time, especially since I haven't seen this movie, but I think I've answered the question I had placed in this thread earlier. I had watched an interview with Toby Kebbell, before Fantastic Four came out, and he asked the interviewer if he noticed where Dr. Doom got his cloak after being stuck in the negative zone. He asked it like it would be interesting for the viewer to catch that little factoid. So I've oddly been trying to figure it out myself from just the trailers I'd seen for the movie. I think I might have figured it out (if anyone else cares). I think Dr. Doom's cloak is the singed American flag that Reed (?) takes in the pods when they go to the negative zone. If anybody else actually knows where Dr. Doom's cloak came from (or if anyone else cares ) you're welcome to correct me. __________________ "Shredder, what have you done!?!" - Tiger Claw (Annihilation: Earth!)

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NinjaPug Foot Elite Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4,390	I also wouldn't call hiring an actor that worked with the director before a publicity stunt.

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TLP Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 263	Who cares what color his skin is, he's human. At least he's not a dirty, filthy Skrull.

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~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	When your entire mission statement starts and ends with, "Let's crank this thing out before we lose the rights," you're already doomed (no pun intended). When you go into something for the wrong reasons you're not likely to get anything good out of it.

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~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Probably, because they told you that you were gonna care, so you expected it to be worth caring about. Not your fault, they don't play fair.

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JTH "ME" Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,660	Seeing Fant4stic is like eating a whole pizza. Cost 12 bucks, and you feel like throwing up when it's finished.

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chrisdude Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,708	People say Fox can't do FF, like Fox is one person, sitting somewhere, calling all the shots. And this one person totally "gets" X-Men, but doesn't understand FF. Like the studio is making ridiculous demands for FF, and not X-Men. I'm not saying "the suits" can't ruin a movie. But why would they ruin one thing and excel at another, at the same time? It really sounds like hiring Trank was the big mistake. Maybe they should let Singer or Vaughn have FF.