Batman V. Superman: Dawn Of Justice

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

I don't buy that at all.

Nope. Nope nope nope.

You don't bring out the Batman except when your non-Batman DC character is failing.

[CyberCubed]

Good. I am satisfied with this news.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Good. I am satisfied with this news.

Agreed; I didn't like Man of Steel, so if I'm gonna watch a Man of Steel sequel there might as well be some Batman in there to lessen the pain.

[CyberCubed]

There hasn't been a good Superman movie since Superman II. And even that is cheesy but I'm letting it slide because its from over 30 years ago.

Meanwhile Batman has a hot-streak for movies with the only laughably bad one being Batman and Robin, but now that movie is infamous because its so bad that people love to watch it and make fun of it. The whole movie feels like a parody of Batman as a whole rather than a genuine Batman movie.

[sdp]

I really enjoyed man of steel for me outta the best superman movie yet. Sure it's not perfect but it's easy better than any previous one. If you don't like MoS then I don't see you liking BvS much more.

[Leo656]

You're nuts Cubed, Returns was awesome. It was a great Superman story. Nerds just judge their comic book movies by how many guys get punched or what blows up or whatever.

I'm not sure what people are confused about. The story of BvS is quite directly following and continuing the story from MoS... which is what they're supposed to do. I mean, just because it's not a solo movie, that doesn't make it any less of a "direct sequel" to MoS. It picks up the story and moves it to the next logical beat.

"Super beings suddenly arrive on Earth. Stuff gets wrecked. People get nervous. Batman feels he has to take control of the situation because he's Batman. Superman and Batman confront each other and realize they're on the same side and confront the real, much larger danger. Wonder Woman shows up. Other super-beings emerge and rally behind The Trinity."

That's fine. That's how the story goes in the comic books; it makes sense to be a "bigger" movie with more characters in it, that actually moves the greater story of the DC film universe forward. Does it HAVE to be Iron Man 2 (or 3), which were completely pointless, useless, and solely designed to kill time (and pad the studio's profits) until the Avengers movie came out? "Just give him another solo movie or two because that's the traditional thing to do." But they didn't move the larger Marvel Universe story forward one bit. You can see Iron Man 1, or Thor 1, ignore the sequels and skip right to Avengers and it doesn't matter. Not bad movies, but completely useless in the big picture.

That said, I'd love a "solo" Superman movie more than anyone, but it's clear we have to get all the pieces on the board sooner rather than later. This movie is going to move us closer to Justice League a LOT smoother, and quicker, than a movie about Superman all by himself fighting Bizarro or Metallo would. Impatient as I am for "Man of Steel 2" or whatever it will eventually be called, people really need to step back, look at the big picture, and realize the story is bigger than the individual characters. And even then, the entire story of BvS revolves around Superman, he's the reason EVERYTHING in the movie happens in the first place... so yes, thematically it IS a direct sequel.

MoS 2, if it came out right now, would just be wasting time. I can't wait for the next solo film, I'm sure it'll be great when the time comes for it. Oddly, I'm perfectly fine with that time not being Right Now. I've seen 6 Superman solo films, but zero starring Superman and a bunch of other huge DC characters co-existing in a shared universe. I'm ready for all this. It's fine.

[sdp]

Returns is boring. Still I find or more watchable than many of the Reeves films.


Anywho. I thought they had already announced a MoS2 was in the works. They had also mentioned how BvS was not MoS2. I remember reading both those things.

[Leo656]

Semantics and details. Literally, it's not a direct sequel. As in, it's not the next solo movie that's all about Superman.

Thematically and story-wise, it is a direct sequel. It's the next page of the larger ongoing story, in which there's a bunch of other characters and other things happening but it's all because of Superman directly, and follows up directly from the last movie.

You can say it is or it isn't and still be technically correct. I say it kind of Is more than Isn't, from a story perspective.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by sdp

Returns is boring. Still I find or more watchable than many of the Reeves films.


Anywho. I thought they had already announced a MoS2 was in the works. They had also mentioned how BvS was not MoS2. I remember reading both those things.

Reeve remains the only believable Superman to don the cape. Every other actor pales in comparison.

It's a shame you can't appreciate the Donner films. It's crazy when I hear people talk like this. It would be like eschewing the first Star Wars trilogy while touting the virtues of the prequels.

MOS is a goddamned abortion. It's fad filmmaking. Remember when everyone was riding Nolans dick, preaching his godliness? Who the **** cares now.

Can't wait for the heaps of negative reviews, and a ****ton of I told you So's.

Ben Affleck, is Batman. Bennifer. Have you really forgotten? He made 1 good film. ONE. And he's not directing, he's acting here - you know, the thing he's not so good at? Yeah...not getting a cent from my pocket.

[Leo656]

Story's golden and that's what should matter. People don't know what the hell they want. Except some hologram of 40 years ago. They already got that, and cried about it.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Story's golden and that's what should matter. People don't know what the hell they want. Except some hologram of 40 years ago. They already got that, and cried about it.

If you mean golden, as in shower, then bingo.

No, we got the discount store look-alike that made Singer cream his skivvies. We got bad theater, nothing more.



I know what I want. It's not this.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Reeve remains the only believable Superman to don the cape. Every other actor pales in comparison.

It's a shame you can't appreciate the Donner films. It's crazy when I hear people talk like this. It would be like eschewing the first Star Wars trilogy while touting the virtues of the prequels.

MOS is a goddamned abortion. It's fad filmmaking. Remember when everyone was riding Nolans dick, preaching his godliness? Who the **** cares now.

Can't wait for the heaps of negative reviews, and a ****ton of I told you So's.

Ben Affleck, is Batman. Bennifer. Have you really forgotten? He made 1 good film. ONE. And he's not directing, he's acting here - you know, the thing he's not so good at? Yeah...not getting a cent from my pocket.

It's not the first time I've heard people dislike the older films of a superhero. I knew a few people that disliked the first few Superman films and save they haven't aged well. At the same time, they didn't grow up with those films and weren't even born yet. Hell, I wasn't even around when the first three Christopher Reeves films were released (I was born when the fourth film came out but that's besides the point) and I liked the first two films. I fell asleep on the third one, not because I didn't like it, but I marathoned the Superman movies when they were airing on G4 TV since it's been a while since I watched the first film. I never watched the fourth film but I hear it's not very good, lol. I watched Returns and I didn't think it was that bad. To me, it fit the tone of a Superman movie way more than Man of Steel did. Also, Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor for the win!

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

There hasn't been a good Superman movie since Superman II. And even that is cheesy but I'm letting it slide because its from over 30 years ago.

Meanwhile Batman has a hot-streak for movies with the only laughably bad one being Batman and Robin, but now that movie is infamous because its so bad that people love to watch it and make fun of it. The whole movie feels like a parody of Batman as a whole rather than a genuine Batman movie.

Depends on your taste and how big a fan you are of Superman.

Originally Posted by Leo656

You're nuts Cubed, Returns was awesome. It was a great Superman story. Nerds just judge their comic book movies by how many guys get punched or what blows up or whatever.

I'm not sure what people are confused about. The story of BvS is quite directly following and continuing the story from MoS... which is what they're supposed to do. I mean, just because it's not a solo movie, that doesn't make it any less of a "direct sequel" to MoS. It picks up the story and moves it to the next logical beat.

"Super beings suddenly arrive on Earth. Stuff gets wrecked. People get nervous. Batman feels he has to take control of the situation because he's Batman. Superman and Batman confront each other and realize they're on the same side and confront the real, much larger danger. Wonder Woman shows up. Other super-beings emerge and rally behind The Trinity."

That's fine. That's how the story goes in the comic books; it makes sense to be a "bigger" movie with more characters in it, that actually moves the greater story of the DC film universe forward. Does it HAVE to be Iron Man 2 (or 3), which were completely pointless, useless, and solely designed to kill time (and pad the studio's profits) until the Avengers movie came out? "Just give him another solo movie or two because that's the traditional thing to do." But they didn't move the larger Marvel Universe story forward one bit. You can see Iron Man 1, or Thor 1, ignore the sequels and skip right to Avengers and it doesn't matter. Not bad movies, but completely useless in the big picture.

That said, I'd love a "solo" Superman movie more than anyone, but it's clear we have to get all the pieces on the board sooner rather than later. This movie is going to move us closer to Justice League a LOT smoother, and quicker, than a movie about Superman all by himself fighting Bizarro or Metallo would. Impatient as I am for "Man of Steel 2" or whatever it will eventually be called, people really need to step back, look at the big picture, and realize the story is bigger than the individual characters. And even then, the entire story of BvS revolves around Superman, he's the reason EVERYTHING in the movie happens in the first place... so yes, thematically it IS a direct sequel.

MoS 2, if it came out right now, would just be wasting time. I can't wait for the next solo film, I'm sure it'll be great when the time comes for it. Oddly, I'm perfectly fine with that time not being Right Now. I've seen 6 Superman solo films, but zero starring Superman and a bunch of other huge DC characters co-existing in a shared universe. I'm ready for all this. It's fine.

Well, I don't think any of DC's live-action films coincided with others yet. In fact, Marvel only started doing it in their own cinematic universe. But I am interested to see where Synder will handle it in this universe. I just hope he isn't directing every DC movie in this series.

[chrisdude]

For what it's worth, there was talk of a Batman Superman crossover between the Dark Knight Batman and the Returns Superman. WB launched the reboots back to back, Gotham is referenced in Superman Returns, they slipped a Batman-Superman logo in I Am Legend...

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Reeve remains the only believable Superman to don the cape. Every other actor pales in comparison.

Alyn was a pretty good Superman.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

For what it's worth, there was talk of a Batman Superman crossover between the Dark Knight Batman and the Returns Superman. WB launched the reboots back to back, Gotham is referenced in Superman Returns, they slipped a Batman-Superman logo in I Am Legend...

Except everyone loved Batman Begins, but no one liked Superman Returns.

(Yes, yes, yes... not literally "everyone" and "no one." But in terms of the public opinion and feedback that Warner Bros. received.)

[CyberCubed]

Batman is loved and cherished the world over because people relate to him and his tragic backstory as well as his loved rogues gallery. Every man wants to be Bruce Wayne and Batman.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Batman is loved and cherished the world over because people relate to him and his tragic backstory as well as his loved rogues gallery. Every man wants to be Bruce Wayne and Batman.

I'm sure some people out there don't like Batman. No idea who, though.

I actually always wanted to be Dick Grayson when I was a kid... when I grew up, THEN I wanted to be Batman.

[Slade]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Batman is loved and cherished the world over because people relate to him and his tragic backstory as well as his loved rogues gallery. Every man wants to be Bruce Wayne and Batman.

No, I'm pretty sure I'd rather walk around like nothing could touch me and could basically do whatever I wanted then be a billionaire/vigilante. Of course that's not saying I wouldn't still be a billionaire.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Batman is loved and cherished the world over because people relate to him and his tragic backstory as well as his loved rogues gallery. Every man wants to be Bruce Wayne and Batman.

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I'm sure some people out there don't like Batman. No idea who, though.

Batman's an A$$hole. Always has been. He's a crazy person with issues, if you relate to that ... well good for you.

I'd pick Superman over Batman every time. Who needs a batmobile when you can fly? A cave when you can chill in Space? Bat-a-rangs when you have heat vision.

Batman isn't everyman. He's Donald Trump who knows Karate.

I'd also choose to be Shazam, Flash, and even Aquaman over Batman. Actually the list is pretty long.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Batman's an A$$hole. Always has been. He's a crazy person with issues, if you relate to that ... well good for you.

I'd pick Superman over Batman every time. Who needs a batmobile when you can fly? A cave when you can chill in Space? Bat-a-rangs when you have heat vision.

Batman isn't everyman. He's Donald Trump who knows Karate.

I'd also choose to be Shazam, Flash, and even Aquaman over Batman. Actually the list is pretty long.

I didn't mean specifically as in "I want to be Batman." I meant "who doesn't enjoy a good Batman story?" and not in comparison to other heroes. Do you like Batman Y/N kinda thing.