Movie Decisions Someone Should've Been Fired For

*TigerClaw* · 09-23-2015, 04:42 PM

Saw this article and TMNT 3 was mention in it.
http://www.looper.com/3109/movie-dec...houldve-fired/

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III (1993) - Adding Time Travel

The filmmakers behind Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III didn't want to just rehash what had already been done in the first and second movies, which are about the ninja turtles fighting the foot clan. The third movie, on the other hand, is about the turtles time traveling to feudal Japan. It's such an insane jump that comes out of nowhere. The movie was a disaster, and it's all because of the time travel story. It's understandable for a sequel to try new things. At least make those things fit in with the other movies in the series.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 09-23-2015, 05:01 PM

"Movie Decisions Someone Should've Been Fired For"...

I'll just copy and paste the entire Platinum Dunes TMNT discussion threads into this post, shall I?

*MikeandRaph87* · 09-23-2015, 05:04 PM

Not TMNT related but...
Removing Richard Donner from the Superman movie franchise.

Not allowing Sam Raimi to push his script through for Spider-man 4 instead deciding to reboot the movie franchise.

TMNT related? I love Ninja Turtles (1990) and Secret of The Ooze. Its too hard to say as I am not as crazy for the others. Need Shredder and stronger scripts that the other two had.

*Powder* · 09-23-2015, 05:23 PM

"It's such an insane jump that comes out of nowhere"

Not for actual fans who have, ya know, read a comic, watched an episode, etc. Time Travel is a huge deal in TMNT lore. What a dipsh*t.

*TigerClaw* · 09-23-2015, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

"It's such an insane jump that comes out of nowhere"

Not for actual fans who have, ya know, read a comic, watched an episode, etc. Time Travel is a huge deal in TMNT lore. What a dipsh*t.

Yeah, whoever wrote the article probably never read any of the comics.

*Powder* · 09-23-2015, 06:18 PM

There were several time travel episodes in the Fred Wolf cartoon, too, so they must have little to no TMNT knowledge whatsoever.

*TigerClaw* · 09-23-2015, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

There were several time travel episodes in the Fred Wolf cartoon, too, so they must have little to no TMNT knowledge whatsoever.

Yeah, time travel has always been a part of TMNT, but not a major part.

*ToTheNines* · 09-23-2015, 06:40 PM

Not on the same level as Dr. Who lol, but pretty important.

*Powder* · 09-23-2015, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Yeah, time travel has always been a part of TMNT, but not a major part.

On the contrary, I would argue it's one of the larger themes.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 09-23-2015, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

On the contrary, I would argue it's one of the larger themes.

How is it a major part? Other than the various Renet escapes in Mirage Volume 1 (especially Masks) and Renet and April in Volume 4, I can't really think of any other major time-travel escapades...

*CyberCubed* · 09-23-2015, 07:21 PM

It might have been better if Lord Norinaga was an ancestor of Oroku Saki at least. Like Lord Oroku Norinaga.

*Powder* · 09-23-2015, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

How is it a major part? Other than the various Renet escapes in Mirage Volume 1 (especially Masks) and Renet and April in Volume 4, I can't really think of any other major time-travel escapades...

I really don't wanna sit here & recall how many time travel stories there are in each universe, can you just trust me when I say there are tons?

Mind you, time travel includes parallel universes, alternate realities, the passage of time (like Mirage books that focus on elder TMNT) etc. There are whole versions of the turtles based around it, Turtles In Time, Fast Forward, Turtles Forever, the third film, obviously. Mirage has literally tens of issues dealing with it, so too does Archie (let's not forget the young turtles kicking it with their older selves). 4kids adapted some of the Mirage stories but also created their own which would become classics, like Same As It Never Was. The OT had our boys go back & witness the creation of their clan, show their worn-down older selves how to kick shell anew, etc. It's all over. IDW & Nick have already done some tales like that & show signs of diving further into the topic.

When you think about the TMNT, the most commonly seen themes are:

Ninja/Samurai material
Outer space
Monsters
Time travel
Spirituality
Nature
Mobsters

*oldmanwinters* · 09-23-2015, 08:18 PM

As I've said before, I like TMNT3 more than most people. I always have. As a kid, it was even kinda my favorite of the bunch from time to time.

Whatever problems were unique to the 3rd movie had almost everything to do with the execution, not the general concept. The costumes had a big part of it, and I think it does kinda fall into the generic "90s attitude in medieval times" mold that characterized so many of the movies of that era.

~~Leo656~~ · 09-23-2015, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

"Movie Decisions Someone Should've Been Fired For"...

I'll just copy and paste the entire Platinum Dunes TMNT discussion threads into this post, shall I?

TurtleMikey · 09-26-2015, 11:58 AM

Dropping the Blue Door script completely, rather than simply changing it to be traditional in origin.

Post from another thread as to why I think this:

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth

You never fully read the original blue door script, did you. I eventually looked it up (late last year or so) and stayed up all night reading the thing.

I'm sorry, but Bay lied. He "Donald Trumped" that lie and covered his ass with what we thought we'd believe.

In that script, in the end, they do indeed turn out to be aliens. The Turtles straight up find that they are from a different world of other people who look like them; the four of them were sent/taken to Earth as babies to protect them (because they had a special destiny - for some reason), with Splinter as their guardian who kept it secret from them, and in the end they have to leave Earth forever, part ways and never to see each other again, to go individually protect four different... what ever it was that was that would keep dimensions from colliding. Mikey even comments about possibly meeting girls from their home world. Yes... I'm sorry, but they were going to be aliens, it was not simply ooze of "alien origin."

They weren't aliens. No more than Kraang is an alien.

They were from another dimension. Specifically, they were from Dimension X. And in their version of Dimension X, there existed a race of turtle beings who were at odds with Kraang, and that is where the Turtles (and Splinter) came from.

It's really not bad for an alternate TMNT origin. In fact, its pretty good. Also, more logical and less convoluted than the origin in the final film.

IMO, the Blue Door script was FAR better than what we got. Had they simply dropped the alternate origin (though it really wasn't bad), did a traditional Shredder (or dropped the Foot and Schrader name, to open it up for the real Foot later), and had them stay on Earth in the conclusion, it would have been a solid take on the turtles.

I'm sad we didn't get that version of the Turtles, whom were crazy acrobatic and did real ninja ****, were even more like the Turtles we know. And had some really great scenes to display that, as well develop them as characters and brothers.

That, as opposed to the never developed, dumbed down, ADD, Hulk Smash versions we did get.

There was alot of potential in that version. And it was thrown away in favor of something generically ****ty, and no better in its execution of the origin. And all because fans bitched about something that wasn't even accurate.

*Powder* · 09-26-2015, 04:07 PM

While I would've rather gotten the Blue Door script, the fact something like it even exists beyond some weirdo's fan-fiction is a grand offense.

Technogeek29 · 09-26-2015, 08:30 PM

Whoever thought all that crap on Donatello looked good.

Walkabout · 09-28-2015, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Powder

While I would've rather gotten the Blue Door script, the fact something like it even exists beyond some weirdo's fan-fiction is a grand offense.

Absofeckinglutely.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 09-28-2015, 09:47 AM

TMNT 2 changing TGRI to TCRI still makes me dislike the original movieverse. That's what was supposed to be the secret of the ooze (could still have been an accident), it's extraterrestrial origin!

sethmartin · 09-28-2015, 11:36 AM

I don't think the "time-travel" plot ruined Turtles 3. What ruined it was- Bad writing, crappy looking costumes, horrible villains that didn't even belong in that time period, no villains from the comics/cartoons/ etc., horrible jokes, only 3 fight scenes in the whole movie and only one of which involved all of the turtles, need I go on?

PD Ninja Turtles is a much better film than Turtles 3... which really isn't saying much. Both movies suffered from the same thing- 1. Trying to be too ambitious with poorly written scripts that didn't focus on what was really important. 2. Trying to dumb it down for kids, completely forgetting that kids loved the first movie.

09-23-2015, 04:42 PM	#1
TigerClaw Mutant Tiger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hialeah, Florida, USA Posts: 14,165	Movie Decisions Someone Should've Been Fired For Saw this article and TMNT 3 was mention in it. http://www.looper.com/3109/movie-dec...houldve-fired/ Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III (1993) - Adding Time Travel The filmmakers behind Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III didn't want to just rehash what had already been done in the first and second movies, which are about the ninja turtles fighting the foot clan. The third movie, on the other hand, is about the turtles time traveling to feudal Japan. It's such an insane jump that comes out of nowhere. The movie was a disaster, and it's all because of the time travel story. It's understandable for a sequel to try new things. At least make those things fit in with the other movies in the series. __________________ Follow me on my Tiktok https://www.tiktok.com/@tygerclaw305

09-23-2015, 05:01 PM	#2
CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy Annalist Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 16,435	"Movie Decisions Someone Should've Been Fired For"... I'll just copy and paste the entire Platinum Dunes TMNT discussion threads into this post, shall I? __________________ *ALL THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED*

09-23-2015, 05:04 PM	#3
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,189	Not TMNT related but... Removing Richard Donner from the Superman movie franchise. Not allowing Sam Raimi to push his script through for Spider-man 4 instead deciding to reboot the movie franchise. TMNT related? I love Ninja Turtles (1990) and Secret of The Ooze. Its too hard to say as I am not as crazy for the others. Need Shredder and stronger scripts that the other two had. __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

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oldmanwinters Overlord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Between yesterday and tomorrow! Posts: 15,488	As I've said before, I like TMNT3 more than most people. I always have. As a kid, it was even kinda my favorite of the bunch from time to time. Whatever problems were unique to the 3rd movie had almost everything to do with the execution, not the general concept. The costumes had a big part of it, and I think it does kinda fall into the generic "90s attitude in medieval times" mold that characterized so many of the movies of that era. __________________ Experience the TMNT Fan Commentaries! Check out my TMNT fan comic, "Nothing to Fear"! View my sketch work! I'm selling some of my hard-to-find TMNT items!

09-26-2015, 08:30 PM	#17
Technogeek29 Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Huntsville Posts: 1,486	Whoever thought all that crap on Donatello looked good. __________________

09-23-2015, 05:23 PM	#4
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	"It's such an insane jump that comes out of nowhere" Not for actual fans who have, ya know, read a comic, watched an episode, etc. Time Travel is a huge deal in TMNT lore. What a dipsh*t.

09-23-2015, 06:18 PM	#6
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	There were several time travel episodes in the Fred Wolf cartoon, too, so they must have little to no TMNT knowledge whatsoever.

09-23-2015, 06:40 PM	#8
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,284	Not on the same level as Dr. Who lol, but pretty important.

09-23-2015, 07:21 PM	#11
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,838	It might have been better if Lord Norinaga was an ancestor of Oroku Saki at least. Like Lord Oroku Norinaga.

09-26-2015, 04:07 PM	#16
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	While I would've rather gotten the Blue Door script, the fact something like it even exists beyond some weirdo's fan-fiction is a grand offense.

09-28-2015, 09:47 AM	#19
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,480	TMNT 2 changing TGRI to TCRI still makes me dislike the original movieverse. That's what was supposed to be the secret of the ooze (could still have been an accident), it's extraterrestrial origin!

09-28-2015, 11:36 AM	#20
sethmartin Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 706	I don't think the "time-travel" plot ruined Turtles 3. What ruined it was- Bad writing, crappy looking costumes, horrible villains that didn't even belong in that time period, no villains from the comics/cartoons/ etc., horrible jokes, only 3 fight scenes in the whole movie and only one of which involved all of the turtles, need I go on? PD Ninja Turtles is a much better film than Turtles 3... which really isn't saying much. Both movies suffered from the same thing- 1. Trying to be too ambitious with poorly written scripts that didn't focus on what was really important. 2. Trying to dumb it down for kids, completely forgetting that kids loved the first movie.