From an in-universe perspective, why did Crognard end the way it did?

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

This guy, dude:

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/...20141004190433

I watch the episodes as they air on the DVR and fastforward through both the theme song and the tv show within a tv show not being a fan of either part of the show so it would make sense I would not know. Cant like everything about the series. Thanks for the clear up.

[kolaida]

Well, now we know, lol

[Toadtrooper]

It was foreshadowing of course

Spoiler:

(somebody "biting it;" the whole flying away thing).

But it's also a commentary on how most series finales suck.

[Kingoji]

My personal interpretation?

Spoiler:

Each of the TV shows has been something of a meta reference to one of the Turtles themselves. Space Heores was often used as an obvious and deliberate parallel to Leonardo developing his role as team leader, Super Robot Mecha Force Five often echoed Donatello's development both in his engineering and in his relationship with April, and Crognard is a fairly Raphael-oriented show with it's reckless, hot-headed protagonist who often does bad things for good reasons.

the relevance of the finale in particular? Crognard refuses to listen to his team and in doing so ends up facing the end of his life. Raph stubbornly ignores his brothers warnings and becomes responsible for the Triceraton Invasion and all that entailed. Which is, essentially, the end of life as he knew it.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by Kingoji

My personal interpretation?

Spoiler:

Each of the TV shows has been something of a meta reference to one of the Turtles themselves. Space Heores was often used as an obvious and deliberate parallel to Leonardo developing his role as team leader, Super Robot Mecha Force Five often echoed Donatello's development both in his engineering and in his relationship with April, and Crognard is a fairly Raphael-oriented show with it's reckless, hot-headed protagonist who often does bad things for good reasons.

the relevance of the finale in particular? Crognard refuses to listen to his team and in doing so ends up facing the end of his life. Raph stubbornly ignores his brothers warnings and becomes responsible for the Triceraton Invasion and all that entailed. Which is, essentially, the end of life as he knew it.

This is actually a really good theory. You're actually right.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

This is actually a really good theory. You're actually right.

If he/she is right then Raph is

Spoiler:

going to be one who has a huge survivor's guilt in season 4.
I would be a little wary/skeptical on how the writers can handle that.

[senpai]

Some things just are. I'm not bringing too much meaning into something that was mainly done for a laugh. The only thing my brain took away from the scene was life is delicate. Even the mightiest fall eventually...

Spoiler:

Not like Splinter or anything because obviously the time traveling biz will bring him back or something idk

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

It's very much in line with any people who play Dungeons & Dragons, many skip the role-playing part and just slaughter NPCs and Monsters alike, often making the excuse that the creatures are of evil alignment and it's okay to kill them because "reasons"

The Slug people, could very well be evil by default like Orcs, but this particular tribe was peaceful . The "Heroes" don't care cause they can slaughter the without (at least in their mind) repercussions.

I don't know about yours, but that sort of thing would NEVER fly in my game groups. I spent 18+ years as a DM, and only ONCE did something like that happen- and I penalized the players responsible by throwing some very strong and immediate repercussions at them, that actually ended that entire campaign before it ever really got started. They learned quickly not to pull that kind of crap in my games!

As for my current group that I'm a player in, the DM is pretty much the same, and really encourages us to think about things before we go in. But then, several of us are veteran players or DM's ourselves, so we know what to expect, and not to take things at face value.

Originally Posted by Kingoji

My personal interpretation?

Spoiler:

Each of the TV shows has been something of a meta reference to one of the Turtles themselves. Space Heores was often used as an obvious and deliberate parallel to Leonardo developing his role as team leader, Super Robot Mecha Force Five often echoed Donatello's development both in his engineering and in his relationship with April, and Crognard is a fairly Raphael-oriented show with it's reckless, hot-headed protagonist who often does bad things for good reasons.

The relevance of the finale in particular? Crognard refuses to listen to his team and in doing so ends up facing the end of his life. Raph stubbornly ignores his brothers warnings and becomes responsible for the Triceraton Invasion and all that entailed. Which is, essentially, the end of life as he knew it.

That's an interesting theory. Although, it could be Zog, too.

[Shark_Blade]

Originally Posted by Kingoji

My personal interpretation?

Spoiler:

Each of the TV shows has been something of a meta reference to one of the Turtles themselves. Space Heores was often used as an obvious and deliberate parallel to Leonardo developing his role as team leader, Super Robot Mecha Force Five often echoed Donatello's development both in his engineering and in his relationship with April, and Crognard is a fairly Raphael-oriented show with it's reckless, hot-headed protagonist who often does bad things for good reasons.

the relevance of the finale in particular? Crognard refuses to listen to his team and in doing so ends up facing the end of his life. Raph stubbornly ignores his brothers warnings and becomes responsible for the Triceraton Invasion and all that entailed. Which is, essentially, the end of life as he knew it.

That's very interesting. Though Crognard himself died, but Raph didn't; instead the whole world died. Does that signify anything..? Hmm..

I can't wait to see what tv series is up for next season. From your theory it would be parallel to Michelangelo, so... it must be a 80/90s cartoon series with a team... Captain Planet? Powerpuff Girls? X-Men? Chip & Dale Rescue Rangers?

I'm just blindly shooting after googling them up now..

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

That's very interesting. Though Crognard himself died, but Raph didn't; instead the whole world died. Does that signify anything..? Hmm..

I can't wait to see what tv series is up for next season. From your theory it would be parallel to Michelangelo, so... it must be a 80/90s cartoon series with a team... Captain Planet? Powerpuff Girls? X-Men? Chip & Dale Rescue Rangers?

I'm just blindly shooting after googling them up now..

What if it's a 80's zany sitcom that has a laugh track?

[Shark_Blade]

Originally Posted by Luckyday

What if it's a 80's zany sitcom that has a laugh track?

That'd be different indeed, though I'm only basing on previous trend of shows the boys are watching: all comprises of teams.

Let's say it's a sitcom (like Friends, maybe?), how do they shoehorn an enemy threat or teamwork lessons?

[Galactus]

All this makes me wonder if they'll have a token tv show next season during the space based arc.

Maybe an alien tv show like Stump Intergalactic Wrestling or perhaps since tv signals from Earth keep carrying into space maybe Honycutt's ship or wherever they are based picks up old tv Earth to shows.

[Kingoji]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

That's very interesting. Though Crognard himself died, but Raph didn't; instead the whole world died. Does that signify anything..? Hmm..

I can't wait to see what tv series is up for next season. From your theory it would be parallel to Michelangelo, so... it must be a 80/90s cartoon series with a team... Captain Planet? Powerpuff Girls? X-Men? Chip & Dale Rescue Rangers?

I'm just blindly shooting after googling them up now..

I like the idea of an anthro-animal adventure show, which Mikey absolutely hates.

[turtle1237]

Just because Crognard got eating does not mean he was killed.

I seen Thundarr get eating by a creature or 2 and he turns out ok.
I believe even He-man got eating.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by turtle1237

Just because Crognard got eating does not mean he was killed.

I seen Thundarr get eating by a creature or 2 and he turns out ok.
I believe even He-man got eating.

But that particular episode of Crognard was marketed as the absolute last episode of the show. Mikey and Leo even do a web search to see if there at least one more episode, or at least a Movie.


And to quote the scene:

Donnie: Raph's not pickin' up....maybe he's in trouble.

Leo: Any luck on your end, Mikey?

Mikey: (Skimming Computer screen) Nada, the Crognard fan sites all say that really was the last episode. What a bust!

Leo: I mean have you found, Raph? (Looks at Computer screen) Really there wasn't any movie or something after....

(Leo is interrupted by Rockwell)

Since there was nothing after that final episode that means Crognard is for all intents and purposes...deceased.

[turtle1237]

Originally Posted by victory_angel

But that particular episode of Crognard was marketed as the absolute last episode of the show. Mikey and Leo even do a web search to see if there at least one more episode, or at least a Movie.


And to quote the scene:

Donnie: Raph's not pickin' up....maybe he's in trouble.

Leo: Any luck on your end, Mikey?

Mikey: (Skimming Computer screen) Nada, the Crognard fan sites all say that really was the last episode. What a bust!

Leo: I mean have you found, Raph? (Looks at Computer screen) Really there wasn't any movie or something after....

(Leo is interrupted by Rockwell)

Since there was nothing after that final episode that means Crognard is for all intents and purposes...deceased.

It was 1980's cheese, a little thing like getting eating is not going to kill you. Perhaps the show got cancel before Crognard punch his way free, it happens.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by turtle1237

It was 1980's cheese, a little thing like getting eating is not going to kill you. Perhaps the show got cancel before Crognard punch his way free, it happens.

Not so. This last episode mirrors the old Dungeons and Dragons cartoon series pretty blatantly with the dragon intended to look like Tiamat (and the slug people episode did this, too- there was a D&D episode that had a similar situation, but with different results), and characters certainly got killed in it! Also, I recall at least one or two deaths in both He-Man and even She-Ra as well. He didn't just get swallowed. There were crunching sounds, and his crown was spit out by the dragon! Anyone who's ever played D&D will tell you there's not coming back from that one....

[turtle1237]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Not so. This last episode mirrors the old Dungeons and Dragons cartoon series pretty blatantly with the dragon intended to look like Tiamat (and the slug people episode did this, too- there was a D&D episode that had a similar situation, but with different results), and characters certainly got killed in it! Also, I recall at least one or two deaths in both He-Man and even She-Ra as well. He didn't just get swallowed. There were crunching sounds, and his crown was spit out by the dragon! Anyone who's ever played D&D will tell you there's not coming back from that one....

I never saw the Dungeons and Dragons cartoon series, but in Thundarr ,Ariel was eating by a fire whale with sharp teeth(Don't ask what a fire whale is, its the 1980's lol)

By all Rights Ariel should have died, but no not in Thundarr, he just goes over punches it a few times, opens its mouth and Ariel is free lol.

We saw Crognard get impale, If he can take a spear or in this case, LOTS of spears in the chest, than he can lived though getting eating.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by turtle1237

Just because Crognard got eating does not mean he was killed.

I seen Thundarr get eating by a creature or 2 and he turns out ok.
I believe even He-man got eating.

Originally Posted by victory_angel

But that particular episode of Crognard was marketed as the absolute last episode of the show. Mikey and Leo even do a web search to see if there at least one more episode, or at least a Movie.


And to quote the scene:

Donnie: Raph's not pickin' up....maybe he's in trouble.

Leo: Any luck on your end, Mikey?

Mikey: (Skimming Computer screen) Nada, the Crognard fan sites all say that really was the last episode. What a bust!

Leo: I mean have you found, Raph? (Looks at Computer screen) Really there wasn't any movie or something after....

(Leo is interrupted by Rockwell)

Since there was nothing after that final episode that means Crognard is for all intents and purposes...deceased.

Originally Posted by turtle1237

It was 1980's cheese, a little thing like getting eating is not going to kill you. Perhaps the show got cancel before Crognard punch his way free, it happens.

Originally Posted by turtle1237

I never saw the Dungeons and Dragons cartoon series, but in Thundarr ,Ariel was eating by a fire whale with sharp teeth(Don't ask what a fire whale is, its the 1980's lol)

By all Rights Ariel should have died, but no not in Thundarr, he just goes over punches it a few times, opens its mouth and Ariel is free lol.

We saw Crognard get impale, If he can take a spear or in this case, LOTS of spears in the chest, than he can lived though getting eating.

You must be incredibly naïve to actually believe this. Crognard's dead, gotta learn to deal with it.

Just out of curiosity, how old are you?

[turtle1237]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

You must be incredibly naïve to actually believe this. Crognard's dead, gotta learn to deal with it.

Just out of curiosity, how old are you?

To see He-man and Thundarr lol. Well Reruns of the shows any way since my child hood ran for most the old Toon Ninja Turtles run.

Crognard, Yes I saw him get eating, I heard the crunching noises, but you have to remember, THIS IS A 1980's cartoon. We saw Crognard get impale, and perhaps off screen, burn, axe, cut up, and what ever else his enemies thrown at him. A little thing like getting eating is not going to kill a 1980's cartoon hero.