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10-11-2015, 02:01 AM
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Most likely option B. They just changed Lex's Dad's name. It happens.
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10-11-2015, 02:25 AM
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Nothing's going to shake your confidence, I know, but as with Marvels impending Spider-man reboot, the scuttlebutt reeks of infuriating equivocation. |
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10-11-2015, 02:57 AM
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Seeing as the beginning and end of Lex's Dad's importance to the mythology is, "Lex killed him," does it f*cking matter what the guy's name is? Before Smallville established it as "Lionel", did anyone ever know, or care? No, they didn't. It completely doesn't matter one bit what Lex's dad's name is. He's a footnote, completely inconsequential to the grand scheme of things. That's the truth. BUT, to one or two people looking for anything and everything to rant about, "OH Noes! They got it wrong again!"
 Talk about tilting at f*cking windmills. I mean, even Lex's own name... "Lex" has either been short for "Alexis", "Alexei", or "Alexander" depending on who was telling the story that particular day. And even aside from his Dad's name, Lex's entire backstory has been retold so many times with so many contradictions and deviations that it's very, very fluid. Some things simply aren't quite as set in stone as other things. This is a case of a very select few really, really reaching deep for things to be pissy about. Of all the things they could change that would actually hurt anything, this is such a non-issue.Converse to your statement, the amount of things you're willing to pick nits over in your unwarranted hatred of the movie is infinitely more f*cking ridiculous by this point than anything I or anyone could say in defense of it. I suggest moving on with your life. I don't have to "go out on a ledge" for anything in defense of the movie; people who actually read the comics they're borrowing stuff from can recognize what they're doing and are for the most part pleased with it, a few minor and inevitable nitpicks aside. Now that stuff's actually been seen, and we more or less know what's going to happen story-wise, more people are in favor of what they're doing than against it. Literally the only people who are all "doom n' gloom," are people whose only experience with the characters are from kids' cartoons and a dated fairy-tale film from 40 years ago. None of that should have any bearing whatsoever on anything being done in the here and now. Everything is fine. For f*ck's sake already. We already have a CyberCubed to tell us everything is terrible for completely silly made-up reasons, isn't one enough? 
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10-11-2015, 03:22 AM
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No. No it's not.
Everyone isn't "fine" with it. I'm hardly f*cking nit picking. Every damn time they take a step into Snyder's world - away from source, everyone nods and claps and smiles. Change the costume, change the tone, change the history, change change change. You want to get angry at me, that's helpful - but at best this is a reimagined version of a great anthology, period. Dark, angry, morose and militaristic, words that don't usually conjure and s shield.Shock me, shock me, shock me, with the millennial post 911 angst. This is "Superman" apparently represent'en for a generation of shoot first, bible tote'n, hyper-sensitive, fear-filled-emasculated bitch tits that thrive on psuedo-cool. Oh, and feel free to hypocritically hate on my nostalgia. Thats totally fair. But I digress. I thought we were cool, but this right here was kinda weak sauce. I baked you a cake FFS. |
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10-11-2015, 04:02 AM
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No, we're cool, you just have a thing where you see things that aren't there sometimes, and alternatively either fall in love with them or go to war against them. Or you over-sell bits you don't like that have less to do with the bigger picture. In this case, you by your own admission have an issue with the director's style and hate everything he'll ever do, including these movies.
That's fine. But I could still sit here for the next two hours, and list several hundred things that this movie and MoS either borrow from or lift directly from the comic books, which means they are in my opinion doing a lot more right than wrong. Frankly, it doesn't matter if we agree on it, we don't have to; you've admitted that you can't embrace anything that goes away from Your Favorite Version, while I much prefer something that actually pays a little attention to the stories it's ostensibly adapting. Yes, there's a lot of change, but a ton of it is extremely superficial, and a lot of stuff that is superficially changed is still thematically accurate. I don't love the costume, either, for example, but I'm over it. There's too much else going on and a lot of it's pretty good. WB tried to put Superman in black pleather with blades all over him for almost 10 years; count your blessings and pick your battles. The reason I can "hate on" your nostalgia, is because the Reeve movies pretty much wiped their ass on the comic books - not because they wanted to, but because budget-wise they had to - but you can't complain about "change" and still defend those movies, when all they actually got "right" was what the main character looked like. I mean, hey, great for what it is, it's a good little fairy-tale take on a super-hero, but it isn't fair at all to play that movie up like it's perfect, and meanwhile sh*t all over what Snyder is doing, when all he's doing is actually taking from the books where the 70s movies made up their own story. It's not "wrong" because it contradicts what you grew up with. It's "right" because it actually borrows heavily from the source material. I understand, the comics aren't your preference. We've discussed that at length. They still deserve credit for doing the work, even if it's a little more self-serious than you'd prefer. That's really what the disconnect is. You repeatedly claim they're half-assing the whole project, and not doing the work. Well, that's false, sir, I'm sorry. The insane amount of obscure details they've put in and the overwhelming number of things they've borrowed from the comics both visually and story-wise actually means they're doing a lot more homework than anyone ever has with these characters. I get that it's not your taste. But as you've often seen elsewhere, I get a little annoyed when people say things that are provably untrue. MoS by itself has an exhaustive amount of attention to detail, and skillfully merges recognizable plot points and story beats from at least six different semi-major comics stories I could name off the top of my head, and tons of really obscure stuff only someone like me would notice, and probably a lot more if I sat with a notepad and kept track of it all as I was watching it. And I can't even keep track of all the stuff referenced just in the BvS trailer alone. But having read the synopsis, there's plenty more to come if even 2/3s of it is true. There's enough stuff in there that's deliberate, to show me that they at least read the goddamn books when they were making the thing, which is more than Burton or Singer or Nolan or even Donner bothered to do with their beloved super-hero opuses. None of those guys read the books, they looked at covers and made stuff up. The results were great, but come on, everyone says they want comic book movies that actually take from the books. Are they doing it 100%? No, more like 90-95%. That's still closer than most, some stuff you gotta let go of. Especially the tone. I mean, man, god forbid a movie where the entire fate of Earth is at stake, people don't keep stopping to crack jokes. That's fine sometimes, but I'm over that, too. Those Marvel flicks do more than enough self-reverential "wink wink" stuff. I can handle a little tonal diversity in my super-hero flicks. Spoiler:
I mean, again, it could be fine, and we could just agree to disagree. Because it's not new to me; nobody who primarily likes the Reeve films ever likes any other version of Superman and you can't really argue it with them, and that's a whole other issue. But you just keep going on about it like this movie f***ed your sister, and I'm pretty sure it didn't. It's literally just that it's more like the comics than the Reeve movies. That's all that's "wrong". I'm sorry, that's not enough for it to be a federal case. You gotta relax, guy.
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10-11-2015, 05:29 AM
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But, Leo, it feels like this movie ran a train on my sister.
I'm not completely blind to Superman comics. I've read my share, like I said. If this were All-star Superman, I'd be down, as goofy as some of the story was. If this was more fantasy sci fi, I'd be all in. It's not all Reeve's man, it's the tone. It's way off key. You continue to hammer me with the little Easter eggs and nods and winks and a$$ slaps it's giving the comic reader. Ok, that can be fun, admittedly, but just owning a dictionary doesn't make you literate. I don't actually give a damn about comic accuracy if they tell a good story, truth be told. but MOS was not in anyway a good storey, and though it made references to comics, it didn't matter because I was ten miles from careing. So if you're just going to steal from here and there, 'cause you're paying homage, do that, but have something to say. Even Singer had something to say. You're not willing to admit that this is no different than any other reboot, because you're sherlocking each market researched, intentionally leaked crumb, and that suddenly justifies all the pointless changes? You're right of course, most of the changes they've made DO NOT MATTER, except, I find that beneath the bravado of BS, alterations, there isn't anything worth seeing or hearing. Spoiler:
And God dammit man, this sh!t is personal. Maybe the Donner films weren't comic accurate, but so what? They're solid stories, about a man, who is Super. I don't dig WB's style of animation, but for the most part, those adaptations often start kind of lame, but you soon get why they're popular and interesting. They have a way of twisting the knife just right, they're somehow bigger than the screen. To suggest I'm seeing things that aren't there? If this was any other film, you'd be first to lay the smack down. You jumped all over Jem! I mean it sucked, but, Jem!! I'm confused is all. What's so awesome about BVS. I just don't get it. Also the answer can not be "Punching". And Snyder did an amazing job with 300 and Watchmen. Sucker punch gets a 6 because the trailer was great, and he had the balls to go there with such dark Subject matter. He s#*t the bed with MOS, but I blame Nolan for most of it. Last edited by Commenter 42; 10-11-2015 at 05:39 AM. |
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10-11-2015, 08:20 AM
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If you can't get why BvS is "awesome" it's simply because you're not a Superman fan. Honestly, all your opinions regarding this film are completely irrelevant to the majority of the people who want to check this film out. None of it is valid. You're sickly fixated on one version of the character that nothing will ever live up to it because it's not Reeve Superman. Your attitude is selfish and we've heard enough. If the movie doesn't appeal to you, why keep blasting it and the makers over such deluded selfish bullsh*t? You're not right so stop acting like you have meaningful criticism towards the film or anything Superman related that isn't Reeve.
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10-11-2015, 11:10 AM
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Ironically his preferred version of Superman wouldn't actually figh't against batman
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10-11-2015, 01:13 PM
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I guarantee that 90% of the people who watch this movie are doing it for Batman. 10% are watching for Superman. There's a reason they said there's more Batman scenes in this movie than Superman.
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10-11-2015, 01:22 PM
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I think you're wrong there, many people are getting interested because Superman is fighting Batman, not because it's a Batman film with Superman. People like Superman and think of him as an icon, a solo movie just didn't excite them, I know this because most of my friends are non-geeks and they care not about superheroes but they're all intrigued by Superman vs Batman. He's that iconic. This movie has potential to be much bigger than the first Avengers since these are much more known characters. Marvel might be on a role and very popular now but DC has always had more iconic characters.
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10-11-2015, 03:33 PM
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Yes, but people want to see Batman vs. Superman because they're rooting for Batman to win. Batman is God and Batman can do anything. People worship the ground Batman stands on.
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10-11-2015, 04:23 PM
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10-11-2015, 05:15 PM
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Batman V _______. Any other hero (DC, Marvel, etc) would not make as much money as this is going to make however Superman V _____ would always make money as long as the other hero is relatively popular. People want to see Superman, he is that iconic they're not interested in his solo movies because people think he's boring which is actually not true but that's another topic. Think of Superman as the Boxer who always wins so his fights are no longer fun to watch but when they see him fight another opponent who they love they'll definitely go watch the match. That's why Iron Man V Captain America is going to be crushed by this movie. Superman is what makes this movie be in people's radar.
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It's like Cubed just said - people are only excited to see Batman punch Superman. I guess that's the part I just don't get. That's not a story, it's an action. It's a movie, not the WWE. Y'all can scream bloody murder if you want - but you're the sycophants here, not me. This is EXACTLY the same BS as every other reboot. The Hype has convinced you otherwise. There's no difference between this and TMNT 2014. None. I've had this conversation with kids like you before - when Nolan was untouchable as the king of movies, just before DK rises. I knew that was garbage, just like I know this is garbage. Nolan has always been a terrible filmmaker - but he understood how to market himself. This is more of the same. This isn't GD Superman. It's Hollywood cosplay. I'm not a Marvel fan bashing DC. I'm a Superman fan sick of TPTB right now, thinking there clever re-imagings are interesting. More to the point, I've actually been a Superman fan longer than ANYONE in this conversation, so STFU with the insults. I've spent money same as you, and probably more on DC - I get a say in the quality, or lack there of, and I don't need your permission to criticize the product they're schlepping right now. I'm not minimizing you, so try and show a little courtesy to someone who has a difference of opinion. Quote:
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10-11-2015, 06:56 PM
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I doubt the majority of people actually hope or think "Batman beating down Superman" is what they're going to be seeing.
The fight's part of the movie, it's not the entire movie. Cubed, I can tell, is going to be pretty disappointed with how things eventually play out. That kinda tickles me. Might wanna stay home that day, if that in particular is the draw for anyone.It's also not a Batman movie, nor does he have "more scenes". He has a lot of establishing scenes in the first half since we haven't seen him yet in this movie universe, but it's not his movie, it's a Superman movie. Batman is a reactionary character in the plot, the movie isn't about him. Again, if Batman is the biggest reason anyone's going, they might be a little disappointed. Not in how the character is played, because it's going to be great, but because a lot of things they're expecting or hoping for - "Batman's gonna whoop Superman because he's Batman!" or the entire movie centering around Batman - simply isn't going to happen. My wife really hates movie spoilers. Not me, because I like knowing what I'm getting into before I spend money. What's neat for me this time, is that I already have a really good idea as far as who's going to be pleasantly surprised, who's going to be disappointed, and who's never going to change their minds from what they already think a year in advance.  That's all gonna be a lot of fun come March.Anyways, I'll be back later, I'm busy. Cubed's silliness is always worth a little something though, I couldn't stay silent. 
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10-11-2015, 10:07 PM
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10-11-2015, 10:15 PM
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10-11-2015, 11:21 PM
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Batman is an asshole, though, that's a huge part of his entire appeal.
By design, he appeals to the part of us that wishes we could solve every problem with our fists. I love Batman, he's my second-favorite fictional character, but all his heroic motivations are ultimately very selfish and he's much more a tragic figure than a purely heroic one.
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10-11-2015, 11:59 PM
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