Batman V. Superman: Dawn Of Justice

[Turo602]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Ok, I'll bite - I must not be a "real fan". Go on and enlighten me.

It's like Cubed just said - people are only excited to see Batman punch Superman. I guess that's the part I just don't get. That's not a story, it's an action. It's a movie, not the WWE.

Y'all can scream bloody murder if you want - but you're the sycophants here, not me. This is EXACTLY the same BS as every other reboot. The Hype has convinced you otherwise. There's no difference between this and TMNT 2014. None.

I've had this conversation with kids like you before - when Nolan was untouchable as the king of movies, just before DK rises. I knew that was garbage, just like I know this is garbage. Nolan has always been a terrible filmmaker - but he understood how to market himself. This is more of the same. This isn't GD Superman. It's Hollywood cosplay.

I'm not a Marvel fan bashing DC. I'm a Superman fan sick of TPTB right now, thinking there clever re-imagings are interesting. More to the point, I've actually been a Superman fan longer than ANYONE in this conversation, so STFU with the insults. I've spent money same as you, and probably more on DC - I get a say in the quality, or lack there of, and I don't need your permission to criticize the product they're schlepping right now.

I'm not minimizing you, so try and show a little courtesy to someone who has a difference of opinion.

The fact that you take anything Cubed says as the opinion of the general public is alarming and only further proves that you don't get it. Just because people are guaranteed a good time with this movie simply because they're finally witnessing the clash of two icons on the big screen for the first time in history doesn't mean that's all the movie offers. So far, everything you've said about this movie is false. Your blind child-like hate is pathetic and is clearly getting in the way of you seeing and comprehending what everyone else already has about this movie.

This is the equivalent of ignorant TMNT fans bitching about 2k3 for not following the source material which they wrongly believe to be the original cartoon and then sh*tting all over the people behind the show by claiming they have no idea what they're doing.

As Leo has stated time and time again, these movies clearly get Superman. Just because it isn't like the Superman you like doesn't mean it isn't staying true to the character beyond the Reeve films. It's like a Smallville fan claiming everything else Superman related got it wrong because it's not like Smallville.

Oh, and calling me kid and trying to claim some sort of seniority as a fan of Superman doesn't make you a credible judge when discussing the quality of all things Superman. You're free to criticize but don't expect anyone to take you serious when you act like the Reeve films are the definitive source for Superman.

[ZariusTwo]

My main worry about the movie is that both characters are in a somewhat damaged place stemming off of both unseen events (from Bruce's perspective), and events from MOS. I like it when there's contrasting styles and attitudes, marred with a slightly murky cloud. Duel-Deconstruction can be good if handled right, so I remain invested in what they can offer with the story.

It's funny how the books have sort of flipped the switch lately, with DC trying to make Superman more like a brooding and alienated vigilante, and making the Bat-books a bit chirpier and light-hearted, with even Bruce getting some much needed time off and replenishment as a likeable human being.

[Commenter 42]

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Originally Posted by Turo602

The fact that you take anything Cubed says as the opinion of the general public is alarming and only further proves that you don't get it. Just because people are guaranteed a good time with this movie simply because they're finally witnessing the clash of two icons on the big screen for the first time in history doesn't mean that's all the movie offers. So far, everything you've said about this movie is false. Your blind child-like hate is pathetic and is clearly getting in the way of you seeing and comprehending what everyone else already has about this movie.

This is the equivalent of ignorant TMNT fans bitching about 2k3 for not following the source material which they wrongly believe to be the original cartoon and then sh*tting all over the people behind the show by claiming they have no idea what they're doing.

As Leo has stated time and time again, these movies clearly get Superman. Just because it isn't like the Superman you like doesn't mean it isn't staying true to the character beyond the Reeve films. It's like a Smallville fan claiming everything else Superman related got it wrong because it's not like Smallville.

Oh, and calling me kid and trying to claim some sort of seniority as a fan of Superman doesn't make you a credible judge when discussing the quality of all things Superman. You're free to criticize but don't expect anyone to take you serious when you act like the Reeve films are the definitive source for Superman.

Feel free to answer the previous question at anytime. You're banality is aggravating. Read a post, and respond accordingly.

The fact that you THINK I'm taking cubed seriously shows how literal minded you are. A literal mind is a dangerous thing.
And when did we all suddenly all decide that Superman the movie and Superman2 don't adhere to the source? Where do they so drastically deviate? The cellophane S shield? Again, feel free to actually answer the question.

Name the comics BVS is pulling from so faithfully. Go on big boy. And be specific. Here's a hint - It's not Frank Miler.

If you want a true TMNT comparison, MOS is the Platinum Dunes version of Superman. I agree, it is a bit like 2k3, in that 2k3 was often awkward and boring, but Superman the movie is not FW, maybe the MWS miniseries...in that it's fun, but that's all.

Also help me understand what the deep meaningful story was to MOS. Explain how it's anything more than a patchwork hack job. I kep arguing it's not a GOOD FILM, and you keep responding with, well it's just like the comics. So, are we to assume Superman can't be adapted into a good film?

And lastly, do you want to argue, or sh!t talk? If it's **** talk, let's get on with it; if you have a point, make it, or shut the f*ck up. Leo I can debate - you, you're just chirping from the sidelines, and you add nothing to the conversation.

I called you a kid because you act like a kid. MOS is SH!T BVS will be SH!T. Snyder is a Hack. Cavel is short and balding, Batfleck is a joke, and Lex Luthor JR, is played like he's a tech start up kid.

NONE OF THIS IS SOURCE! Get over yourself.

[sdp]

I think Zack Snyder knows how to make entertaining movies and while MoS has a ton of flaws it is still the best interpretation of the character we have seen in live action to date.

[GoldMutant]

Well, been meaning to post in this, but man this arguing is fun to watch. Anyways, about the movie...

I'm personally skeptical on the whole thing. Man of Steel was not a good movie, far from the worst superhero movie I've ever seen. (Quest for Peace anyone?) I will say Henry Cavil is very good at the role of Superman. Heck, I think that at least a reasonable number of live action Supermen actors have been good, Reeve and Cavil obviously and Brandon was alright, though the weakest of the movie guys.

My main concern is the movie is jamming way too much stuff into it, we barely know how Cavil's Superman acts with his character and now they are throwing a new Batman plus the live action debuts of Wonder Woman and Aquaman. Considering they are making a Justice League movie near the end of 2017 possibly for release, that's very concerning. Feels like they should have waited and gave each of these guys a movie, or a sequel for Superman alone first before doing this film. With the tone of Man of Steel, the two iconic heroes aren't easy to contrast as they are one in the same. I'm not a comic reader, but isn't Superman often the positive hope of a role model while Batman is this interesting, complex hero that many go gaga over? Stripping one or flipping the other of what made them who they are feels... offputting to me.

Now, I can assume Ben Affleck is getting bashed on for being this new Batman. Well, needless to say, I think he can be decent. Sure, he starred in Daredevil, but he did show potential as a brooding character even if that was one of the low points Marvel movie wise. Remember, you can't be worse than George Clooney. Ben has some potential in the role, probably won't be the best, but he can do a good job. Remember, every person who portrays a hero like Joker, Batman, and others will be compared, best to play safe.

Overall, I might plan on seeing the film, though I am worried personally. Also, if anyone is wondering on reasons that Man of Steel wasn't excellent, I would recommend watching Sam's Channel on Youtube. (shameless advertising someone I like, I know. ) The man does a very good job addressing the film plus the original Donner and Superman Returns. Needless to say, let's see how it goes.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Well damn! I didn't know the excrement was so badly on the fans in here.

To me, brethren of the Popcorn-Munching Spectator Brigade!!!

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by sdp

I think Zack Snyder knows how to make entertaining movies and while MoS has a ton of flaws it is still the best interpretation of the character we have seen in live action to date.

That's nice. You're wrong, but you're entitled to your opinion, wrong as it may be.

The BEST Superman film to date are the Donner Films. Any argument to the contrary is WB propaganda.

Could they make a better film than Superman the Movie? Absolutely! Does it have to be Reeve in the suit? No, of course not. Did Snyder make a Superman film? Nope, not at all. He made an popcorn flick about an alien invasion. Could have been any alien. It wasn't special, it was actually damned boring. It wasn't impressive, it was exciting. It's about as entertaining as TMNT 2014 was.
The codex. the damned codex. Seriously. NOT FROM THE COMICS!!!!!!!!!

[sdp]

Haha, so my opinion is wrong? Yeah there goes all your arguments. Have fun watching your outdated movies. The Snyder movie will also be outdated the same way but at least it is now relevant. The movie you want already exists and it was called Superman Returns and it bombed because no one wanted to watch an old movie in 2006. In your opinion the Donner movies are better and you can't be wrong in that because it's your opinion, but that opinion is only shared by old people who grew up with that film. Most comic book fans consider it an outdated movie.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by GoldMutant

I'm personally skeptical on the whole thing. Man of Steel was not a good movie, far from the worst superhero movie I've ever seen. (Quest for Peace anyone?)

This is the hard truth no one wants to admit to here. God damned echo chamber.

Originally Posted by GoldMutant

With the tone of Man of Steel, the two iconic heroes aren't easy to contrast as they are one in the same. I'm not a comic reader, but isn't Superman often the positive hope of a role model while Batman is this interesting, complex hero that many go gaga over? Stripping one or flipping the other of what made them who they are feels... offputting to me.

PREACH!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by GoldMutant

Now, I can assume Ben Affleck is getting bashed on for being this new Batman. Well, needless to say, I think he can be decent. Sure, he starred in Daredevil, but he did show potential as a brooding character even if that was one of the low points Marvel movie wise. Remember, you can't be worse than George Clooney. Ben has some potential in the role, probably won't be the best, but he can do a good job.

I'm torn on Affleck. Dude is a class A1 a$$hole. He's smug and aloof, condescending and egocentric.

Sometimes, Batman is all of these things, so in a way it's a great fit - However, Batman can also be a quiet intellectual - going against the grain, working for the greater good while refusing to apologize for his actions. Contemplative isn't Affleck. So it really depends how they play Batman. If they choose to portray him as a gregarious patriarchal bigshot, which is what it appears they are doing - then Affleck could very well suck all the air out of the room. I hate the guy, but he could be perfect, or the worst thing ever.

Originally Posted by GoldMutant

Also, if anyone is wondering on reasons that Man of Steel wasn't excellent, I would recommend watching Sam's Channel on Youtube. (shameless advertising someone I like, I know. ) The man does a very good job addressing the film plus the original Donner and Superman Returns. Needless to say, let's see how it goes.

The reality, is that those who dismiss Superman 1&2 are snubbing it based on unfair criteria - the effects work, the re-written Bryne arc that came almost a decade after the Puzzo wrote the script, or some misplaced Millennial hatred for Superman in general - namely that heroes need to be bada$$ or they suck.

It's all nonsense, and frankly immaterial. You can bemoan the lack of plot points derived from the comics, maybe, but you really can't compare an opus like The Donner Cut, to the paltry tuba fart that is MOS.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by sdp

Haha, so my opinion is wrong? Yeah there goes all your arguments. Have fun watching your outdated movies. The Snyder movie will also be outdated the same way but at least it is now relevant. The movie you want already exists and it was called Superman Returns and it bombed because no one wanted to watch an old movie in 2006. In your opinion the Donner movies are better and you can't be wrong in that because it's your opinion, but that opinion is only shared by old people who grew up with that film. Most comic book fans consider it an outdated movie.

I love your "facts". Please provide me with more of these facts.

I mean, again, feel free to remain wrong as long as you like. MOS will continue to be a waste of money long after you realize just how wrong you are.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It's funny how this thread has derailed to a point where CyberCubed is a voice of reason among vicious warring clans of "My opinion is fact and none other shall be held in all this land!"

Cubed, if I offer to share my popcorn with you, will you step in and say something to quell the fearsome roar? Or, even better, incite it to new heights of fury?

[GoldMutant]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

It's funny how this thread has derailed to a point where CyberCubed is a voice of reason among vicious warring clans of "My opinion is fact and none other shall be held in all this land!"

Cubed, if I offer to share my popcorn with you, will you step in and say something to quell the fearsome roar? Or, even better, incite it to new heights of fury?

Can you pass the popcorn dude? I got some candy and drinks to share all around.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by GoldMutant

Can you pass the popcorn dude? I got some candy and drinks to share all around.

Absolutely, but I warn you, fear of diabetes hath no hold upon my soul. This popcorn gots butter an' salt!

But you can compensate with diet soda.

[GoldMutant]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Absolutely, but I warn you, fear of diabetes hath no hold upon my soul. This popcorn gots butter an' salt!

But you can compensate with diet soda.

A little light on butter and we're gold!

[MsMarvelDuckie]

You know, if I actually cared about this movie beyond a mere curiosity, I' chime in with something about how the only Superman comics I've liked were closer to the Donner movies in tone and story than to the more recent films, and 42 is right that Supes really should be the lighter-toned beakon of hope compared to Bruce's perma-brood. That was one of the things that put me off of Returns, and MOS seemed like more of the same, so I passed. Apparently, it was a godd decision.

Hey, CKD, pass some of that popcorn my way! Only thing I ate all day was two cheese sticks and a half slice of pizza!

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

You know, if I actually cared about this movie beyond a mere curiosity, I' chime in with something about how the only Superman comics I've liked were closer to the Donner movies in tone and story than to the more recent films, and 42 is right that Supes really should be the lighter-toned beakon of hope compared to Bruce's perma-brood. That was one of the things that put me off of Returns, and MOS seemed like more of the same, so I passed. Apparently, it was a godd decision.

Hey, CKD, pass some of that popcorn my way! Only thing I ate all day was two cheese sticks and a half slice of pizza!

Thanks Duckie. These young'uns is making me ornery n sheet.

Out of date....man, like movies are apps or an os. Damn this generation..
damn it.
DAMN
DAMN!!!!

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Mind you, I'm not saying this is going to be a bad movie, I just don't think it's going to be my cup of tea.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Mind you, I'm not saying this is going to be a bad movie, I just don't think it's going to be my cup of tea.

Well, I'll take what I can get.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Well, I DID say I really don't have much interest in it beyond the casual bit of "wonder how that will do at the BO?" Really, though, I feel like just because Bats is in it, it's going to turn into an angst-fest, and that's not really something I want to see in a mainly Supes-centered movie.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Well, I DID say I really don't have much interest in it beyond the casual bit of "wonder how that will do at the BO?" Really, though, I feel like just because Bats is in it, it's going to turn into an angst-fest, and that's not really something I want to see in a mainly Supes-centered movie.

The world is what it is. Superman has always been a reflection of our values as a society, in every iteration.

The current reflection is what it is; fearful, hostile and angry.