Disney's The Lion Guard

[senpai]

Wasn't there another male in LK2? He was kind of dorky and dangly? Maybe he was Kovu's dad? I really only saw that one once because I didn't think it was very good--anyway, if that's a dumb question, my bad.

I guess it's just one of those things where we're not supposed to question Disney.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Ah, no, he was a half-grown cub, supposedly Scar's son, along with the female "teen-cub" that Siira was mother to. The weird thing is that Kovu was supposed to be their "little brother" somehow. Siira was his mom, but he was never stated to be Scar's cub, in spite of being chosen as his heir.... It's complicated.

[BubblyShell22]

Zira was Scar's mate and I believe Nuka and Vitani were her cubs. But it makes no sense for Kovu not to be Scar's because he looks just like him, so I always maintain that Scar is his dad.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Zira was Scar's mate and I believe Nuka and Vitani were her cubs. But it makes no sense for Kovu not to be Scar's because he looks just like him, so I always maintain that Scar is his dad.

Zira says in the film Scar was NOT kovs father. That he was hand picked as the next in line.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, she did say that, but he looks an awful lot like Scar and since Scar was the only other male in that pride, you can bet he's Kovu's dad. They just lied.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

True, because the only other option would be Simba!

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Yeah, she did say that, but he looks an awful lot like Scar and since Scar was the only other male in that pride, you can bet he's Kovu's dad. They just lied.

If you want to take this whole thing out of context we can! In the Lion kingdom male Lions will often form collision, with other NON related male lions, to help defend their prides. Normally it is a 2(sometimes 3 or more brother) that rule together with 1 being the dominant.

But it does happen.

So mabe Scar had a collison with a another male, who either left or was killed, but was the father of Kovu.

They said Scar is not his father, just take that as it being fact. It's only a light hearted movie lol.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by TheBlueTurtle1

If you want to take this whole thing out of context we can! In the Lion kingdom male Lions will often form collision, with other NON related male lions, to help defend their prides. Normally it is a 2(sometimes 3 or more brother) that rule together with 1 being the dominant.

But it does happen.

So mabe Scar had a collison with a another male, who either left or was killed, but was the father of Kovu.

They said Scar is not his father, just take that as it being fact. It's only a light hearted movie lol.

When a pride has two males who are brothers, they both share the lionesses so the cubs would belong to either of them.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

new trailer
https://twitter.com/GMA

it seems Kiara is a cub in this. So that would explain why Kovu is not in. Maybe he will be in as a cub at some point.

This means Kion could be the eldest cub from the same litter??? It also might mean they are going to make so Lion king 2 never happened!!

I don't know what to think.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by TheBlueTurtle1

new trailer
https://twitter.com/GMA

it seems Kiara is a cub in this. So that would explain why Kovu is not in. Maybe he will be in as a cub at some point.

This means Kion could be the eldest cub from the same litter??? It also might mean they are going to make so Lion king 2 never happened!!

I don't know what to think.

So basically this series takes place between Lion King 1 and 2.
Here's the direct link to the trailer.
https://twitter.com/GMA/status/655050076079849472

Youtube version

[Raph's Girl]

Originally Posted by TheBlueTurtle1

it seems Kiara is a cub in this. So that would explain why Kovu is not in. Maybe he will be in as a cub at some point.

Simba may have yelled Kiara's name but I think she's an adult in this. The cast lists 2 female cubs. That could have been them in the trailer.

[senpai]

Thanks for the new trailer. This looks way too juvenile for me to enjoy, unfortunately. Also, why do I get a MLP vibe? Can it be the marks on the characters?

[BubblyShell22]

Originally Posted by TheBlueTurtle1

If you want to take this whole thing out of context we can! In the Lion kingdom male Lions will often form collision, with other NON related male lions, to help defend their prides. Normally it is a 2(sometimes 3 or more brother) that rule together with 1 being the dominant.

But it does happen.

So mabe Scar had a collison with a another male, who either left or was killed, but was the father of Kovu.

They said Scar is not his father, just take that as it being fact. It's only a light hearted movie lol.

Nope, I don't buy that given that Kovu looks like Scar and that he and Simba are the only males. Scar's dead, so if Scar isn't Kovu's father, that would make him be Simba's kid and Kovu sure as hell doesn't look like Simba. So, by process of elimination, Kovu is Scar's kid unless there was another brother we never knew about and if that's the case, then he could definitely be Kovu's dad.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Nope, I don't buy that given that Kovu looks like Scar and that he and Simba are the only males. Scar's dead, so if Scar isn't Kovu's father, that would make him be Simba's kid and Kovu sure as hell doesn't look like Simba. So, by process of elimination, Kovu is Scar's kid unless there was another brother we never knew about and if that's the case, then he could definitely be Kovu's dad.

Or you taking it was to seriously! there are dozens of other males that often shift in and out of pride territories.

If you want incest in your Lion king stories, that's up to you, but ill take what they say in the movie thank you. That Kovu is NOT Scars son. That is good enough for me.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

The only problem with that theory is that we KNOW Scar and Mufasa were the only two males in the pride until Mufasa's death, and then it was JUST Scar until Simba returned and killed him. So that leaves- nobody else. Lion prides do NOT have males shifting in and out- once a male (or males) take over a pride, that's it. They will run off any other males who attempt to join, unless the other proves stronger and runs off the original male, in which case the new one kills all the cubs. If the male(s) of a pride die, then either the oldest surviving adult male takes over, or a new one will move in- and again, when the new one moves in, he kills all the cubs! (And drives out any males near breeding age.)

Nuka being the only other male who was ever born into the pride besides Kovu, and Nuka wasn't yet "of age". So unless Scar was letting another male poach in his territory (highly doubtful, given he killed his own brother to rule!) then Scar HAD to be Kovu's dad- unless Simba was doing his "kingly duties" by the other females....

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

The only problem with that theory is that we KNOW Scar and Mufasa were the only two males in the pride until Mufasa's death, and then it was JUST Scar until Simba returned and killed him. So that leaves- nobody else. Lion prides do NOT have males shifting in and out- once a male (or males) take over a pride, that's it. They will run off any other males who attempt to join, unless the other proves stronger and runs off the original male, in which case the new one kills all the cubs. If the male(s) of a pride die, then either the oldest surviving adult male takes over, or a new one will move in- and again, when the new one moves in, he kills all the cubs! (And drives out any males near breeding age.)

Nuka being the only other male who was ever born into the pride besides Kovu, and Nuka wasn't yet "of age". So unless Scar was letting another male poach in his territory (highly doubtful, given he killed his own brother to rule!) then Scar HAD to be Kovu's dad- unless Simba was doing his "kingly duties" by the other females....

I read somewhere that Scar was once a Lion Guard.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

The only problem with that theory is that we KNOW Scar and Mufasa were the only two males in the pride until Mufasa's death, and then it was JUST Scar until Simba returned and killed him. So that leaves- nobody else. Lion prides do NOT have males shifting in and out- once a male (or males) take over a pride, that's it. They will run off any other males who attempt to join, unless the other proves stronger and runs off the original male, in which case the new one kills all the cubs. If the male(s) of a pride die, then either the oldest surviving adult male takes over, or a new one will move in- and again, when the new one moves in, he kills all the cubs! (And drives out any males near breeding age.)

Nuka being the only other male who was ever born into the pride besides Kovu, and Nuka wasn't yet "of age". So unless Scar was letting another male poach in his territory (highly doubtful, given he killed his own brother to rule!) then Scar HAD to be Kovu's dad- unless Simba was doing his "kingly duties" by the other females....

You only know the male Liones that ruled in the pride land. You know nothing about the outlanders, other that at some point Scar was the pride leader. You don't know what their situation was before Scar met Zira. Maybe Zira was straggler that was thrown out of another pride, whilst pregnant.

So many different theories, can be look at. You have to take what is true from the movie itself. They clearly say Kovu is NOT Scars son. They don't even say Nuka was Scars son.

If they said in the movie tht Kovu was Scars son, then I would not disagree with you, but they don't.

Like I said if you want incenst in your Lion king movies, that is up to you.

I take it for what it is.

If you stop and think about it. How did Scar even meet Kovu and name him the next in line to rule? Kovu and Kiara are the same age. Simba and Nala did'nt even have Kiara till they took the Pridelands back, and Scar was dead lol. So Unless Scar buggered off half way between his fight with Simba and quickly met up with Zira, then he can't be Kovus father or even known about his existence.

[BubblyShell22]

It's not that we want incest in our Lion King movies, and that's probably why they made it seem like Kovu wasn't Scar's son because if that was the case, he would be Kiara's cousin and that would be a whole can of worms. But we're saying that based on what we know, there were only Mufasa and Scar as the male lions at Pride Rock. And if Scar ruled the Outlanders before his death (they could have been there when Scar took over Pride Rock) then that makes him the only male lion there until Simba returns giving very little options as to who could have fathered Kovu. We may be taking this a bit too seriously, but it's something that's fun to speculate about.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Ok fair enough, although I would hardly call incest fun to speculate over lol

[MsMarvelDuckie]

You dont read much fan-fic, do you, LOL?! But yeah, I agree with Bubbly. And it WAS explicitly stated that tbe outlanders were once part of the pride from Pride Rock. They were kicked out for following Scar. And Nuka mutters something about him being Scars true heir at one point. So he and Kovu are at least half brothers, since Zira is mother to both.