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Old 11-02-2015, 05:13 AM   #341
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Ah Wrath of Khan

I feel this would almost work better with Mikey;


'Its okay Don I got this!'
'Mikey get out of there! You don't... Mikey?! Open this door!'
'Keep the shields up D! I know what I'm doing!"
'Know what you're doing!? Mikey its gonna kill you!'
'D! Shields!'
'.....'
'Trust me bro! Hurry!'

'I don't believe it! He did it! Mikey you.... Oh no.'
'Not feeling too good bro...'
'Leo! Raph! Get down here!'
'uurgh..'
'Mikey! You did it Mikey, the door release is on your side! Just open it up! Hurry!'
'No can do bro. You know whats in here. Can't let you guys...get...'
'Mikey! Open this door! Mikey!'
'Get out of the way Don! Mikey open this door or so help me I'll...!'
'It won't break! Why won't it break!? Don do something!'
'I... I can't...'
'Mikey! Mikey come on bro. Just take that lever. We'll get you out and get you fixed up. All right man? You hear me? Mikey!'
'Told you.... I could.... fix it.... Boo...ya...kasha.....'
'No!'
'NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! DREEEEEGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!'


Sorry got kinda carried away there
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Old 11-02-2015, 06:21 AM   #342
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Ah Wrath of Khan

I feel this would almost work better with Mikey;


'Its okay Don I got this!'
'Mikey get out of there! You don't... Mikey?! Open this door!'
'Keep the shields up D! I know what I'm doing!"
'Know what you're doing!? Mikey its gonna kill you!'
'D! Shields!'
'.....'
'Trust me bro! Hurry!'

'I don't believe it! He did it! Mikey you.... Oh no.'
'Not feeling too good bro...'
'Leo! Raph! Get down here!'
'uurgh..'
'Mikey! You did it Mikey, the door release is on your side! Just open it up! Hurry!'
'No can do bro. You know whats in here. Can't let you guys...get...'
'Mikey! Open this door! Mikey!'
'Get out of the way Don! Mikey open this door or so help me I'll...!'
'It won't break! Why won't it break!? Don do something!'
'I... I can't...'
'Mikey! Mikey come on bro. Just take that lever. We'll get you out and get you fixed up. All right man? You hear me? Mikey!'
'Told you.... I could.... fix it.... Boo...ya...kasha.....'
'No!'
'NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! DREEEEEGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!'


Sorry got kinda carried away there
I agree it could work well for Mikey. But there have been numerous points that have foreshadowed that Mikey would mutate.

Suggesting they drink mutagen in season 1, rubbing failed retromutagen on himself and later nearly falling into mutagen in season 2. Mikey and Leo suspended over a vat of mutagen. And of course the Flush-o-matic which would dump Mutagen all over Mikey.


But Donnie's had a lot of foreshadowing towards a possible death or self sacrifice. Such as the Times's he's nearly stabbed by Shredder, Electrocuted, or smacked to the side as if he was nothing more then an insect which are numerous occasions.

The time he and Leo are thrown off a roof season 1.
Severely beaten up by another mutant season 1.
Knocked out of the way of kraang fire when he gets distracted by April being in danger. Season 1
Bitten by Zombie Leo and nearly devoured by mutant wasp. season 1
Crashes season 1

Knocked out of the sky and crashes season 2
blindside grabbed by mutant squirrel season 2
Nearly crushed under the wheels of a Kraang van and the Shell Raiser. Season 2
pushed April down to prevent her from being hit by Kraang missiles, short moment Later, April also pushes him down to prevent him from being hit by Kraang Fire. Season 2
Leo also pushes Donnie out of the way of kraang fire when April is grabbed by the Kraang. Season 2
Dragged away by Slash, beaten and left for dead. Season 2
Stockman possibly murdering Donnie to get the Retromutagen season 2
Falls off cliff season 2
Donnie shot season 2 finale

Donnie Stops breathing in season 3
Eaten alive and possessed by Speed Demon season 3
Donnie shot season three
Poisoned season 3
Hockey character he's playing is decapitated season 3
Nearly run over by Shellraiser. Season 3


Currently this season
Donnie's hit by ice fire and frozen solid.
And nearly freezes to death.

Since there is a Kirk/Spock/Bones relationship between the three older turtles. And Leo does have a protective streak when it comes to Donnie. And also Don's a pacifist, so it would make sense that he would try to stabilize the ship to enable most of them to survive. I mean Mikey's good with Kraang tech, but Don's been the one who has been checking out the Fugitoid's ship thus far seeking ways to repair the ship.

However I don't think it would work the way it was with Spock in Wrath of Khan where dies in the Warp Core and dies of radiation poisoning. And then next film discover that Spock's living soul has transferred to Bones. while his body lands on a newly formed planet and is reborn as a child.

And the poisonous gas seems to weaken the Turtles more then it actually poisons them. So it would make sense that it would be something that would more likely have Don out of commission for at least a episode. This gives the Turtles a couple of episodes to do things without his presence needed in the episode, and then when they really need him will be the episode he wakes up.

Raph however is protective of his brothers, particularly Mikey. So even if it was Donnie or Mikey's choice to put themselves in danger to save everyone else. He would still angerly scream the name of the person who caused the situation that lead to said brothers death.
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Old 11-02-2015, 09:34 AM   #343
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Ah Wrath of Khan

I feel this would almost work better with Mikey;


'Its okay Don I got this!'
'Mikey get out of there! You don't... Mikey?! Open this door!'
'Keep the shields up D! I know what I'm doing!"
'Know what you're doing!? Mikey its gonna kill you!'
'D! Shields!'
'.....'
'Trust me bro! Hurry!'

'I don't believe it! He did it! Mikey you.... Oh no.'
'Not feeling too good bro...'
'Leo! Raph! Get down here!'
'uurgh..'
'Mikey! You did it Mikey, the door release is on your side! Just open it up! Hurry!'
'No can do bro. You know whats in here. Can't let you guys...get...'
'Mikey! Open this door! Mikey!'
'Get out of the way Don! Mikey open this door or so help me I'll...!'
'It won't break! Why won't it break!? Don do something!'
'I... I can't...'
'Mikey! Mikey come on bro. Just take that lever. We'll get you out and get you fixed up. All right man? You hear me? Mikey!'
'Told you.... I could.... fix it.... Boo...ya...kasha.....'
'No!'
'NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! DREEEEEGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!'


Sorry got kinda carried away there
I don't get it.

I assume this is a Star Trek story.
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Old 11-02-2015, 10:34 AM   #344
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I don't get it.

I assume this is a Star Trek story.
I think they're discussing ways the Turtles could be severely hurt in future episodes. This one's Mikey.
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Old 11-02-2015, 10:55 AM   #345
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I think they're discussing ways the Turtles could be severely hurt in future episodes. This one's Mikey.
Yeah I knew that part, but the story Tarris Vaal did was confusing so I assume it was based of an old Star Trek Movie.
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Old 11-02-2015, 11:28 AM   #346
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Yeah I knew that part, but the story Tarris Vaal did was confusing so I assume it was based of an old Star Trek Movie.
Oooh, I see. That, I do not know
Sorry about that misunderstanding, Vicky.
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Old 11-02-2015, 12:42 PM   #347
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Oooh, I see. That, I do not know
Sorry about that misunderstanding, Vicky.
Yeah. The Nick Show does like it's references to other Media. And there is a famous scene where Spock goes into the warp core to fix the Damaged USS enterprise and save the crew from certain death. And dies of radiation poisoning soon afterwards.



I had pointed out this is something that could happen to Donnie at some point in the up coming episodes. But Tarris was giving a scenario about it being Mikey, which also works.
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Old 11-02-2015, 08:39 PM   #348
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That exactly Thanks VA!
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Old 12-04-2015, 05:08 PM   #349
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So yeah the Northampton episodes, those were mostly filler because the Turtles are kicking around waiting for Leo to recover. However we have a three month gap between the second season and the third so there isn't any real opportunity for them to mourn their defeat and the supposed loss of Splinter and any drama they would have had with keeping Leo alive. Because that's already over and done with.

However I personally don't feel they would have skipped that long period of time without reason. One reason is that the turtles would be morning the losses they have suffered again at the end of the season, and they didn't need to have two seasons begin with the Turtles grieving for what they have lost.

And at best if we do see anything from that Three Month Gap, it would be a flash back that ties into the situation or development of a character or relationship between two characters.

Take this example scenario: Raph watching over Leo was meant to be a role reversal of the 1990's movie where Leo was watching over Raph.
However in the 1990's movie, Leo and Raph have an argument over what they should do about locating Splinter. Raph feels they should go look for Splinter, and Leo felt they should wait until they have a lead as to where Splinter is being imprisoned. The argument ends with Leo telling Raph that he isn't wanted or needed resulting in Raph storming out of the apartment.

So Leo keeping vigil over Raph isn't just because he's a leader watching over a fallen soldier. He's keeping vigil out of guilt for what has happened to his brother.

In the season two finale, it's Donnie who tells Leo to his face that he is leading them to disaster. And after Leo is separated from them and also after Leo is seriously injured, Donnie blames himself for all that has happened. Everyone does turn to him to lead them out of their situation, and he is able to pull himself together enough to do so...but at some point between the end of the season two finale and the season three opening, the role of leader and tending to Leo changed hands from Donnie to Raph. And there are numerous ways that could have gone, from Donnie handing the reigns of the team to Raph simply because he doesn't feel he deserved it. To Raph taking over because Donnie's guilt and grief was affecting if not threatening to affect the well being of himself and by that result the rest of the team.

To tie in that gap to season four there should be a situation where in this case Donnie and Leo are at issue. The episode would begin with a flash back to Northampton lets say for an example moment where Donnie is trying to save Raph in Within the Woods as that would be a logical time and place where Donnie and Leo would have had a heart to heart about their argument in season 2 finale. Then return to the present day, the Triceraton's have most if not all of the pieces of the heart of darkness. Leo feels they should attack and destroy the Triceraton's so they would never harm Earth, Donnie however feels that action is uncalled for and feels they should talk to the Triceraton's and perhaps they could find someone who could get them to see that they could work together to defeat the Kraang without resorting to the Earth being destroyed. Leo feels they are beyond all reasoning, they didn't want to listen before and they aren't going to listen now. Donnie tries to get his brother to see reasons citing that the atrocities the Triceraton's have done haven't yet been committed and if they destroy them they are no better then the Triceraton's themselves.
Leo is still blinded by his anger at the fact they have so little time to save the Earth and that the weapon used to destroy the Earth is already in the hands of their enemy. There is no time to show reason, they need to strike before the Earth and Splinter are destroyed again.

Then it turns out Leo's decision was the wrong one, Donnie or at least one of his brothers and/or friends are seriously injured, captured, or nearly killed as a result of this conflict. April or one of the remaining members of their team informs Leo of a moment that occurred while he had been unconscious and realizes that he should have trusted Donnie's judgment.
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I never thought I was going to have to say this on any idea, but...

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It's an idea that needs adjustments, especially because of it holding back certain characters.


Look, I'm all for Northampton being revisited with some kind of explanation, but remember how the show doesn't handle it's tragedies well? (or revisit Northampton is on the far back of the mind) Even if the entire picture is tied into, we don't know if and will the Triceratons can gain those pieces again; on top of this, you have to balance in how Dregg and Armaggon are in the fray plus the 80s crossover. That and the fact for making Donnie extremely sympathetic is a little too far, a bit off putting to put him in center stage for a third season.

I don't mean to be this critical, but VA the majority of the ideas often revolve around Donatello at most; I understand he's your favorite turtle, but I feel the constant derailing of other characters hurts the idea. This establishment practically makes not only Leo near weak after his growth, but no contribution to any character barring the brief mention of Raphael. To me, it's absurd for all these characters to shed an ounce of sympathy to Don each time; as far as I care, the other Turtles deserve some limelight in a dark episode, especially Michelangelo.

The Turtles know by far the dangers the Triceratons possess in this incarnation as none of them bested one at all, not even Zog. Only Leo's wit was enough to have them escape; though Don might want a logical route, the chance is way too high of a catalyst to occur. After all the destruction the Triceratons caused, I'm pretty sure teaming with them is the farthest thought away after the hell towards Earth.

Like I mentioned before in the past, they skipped the time frame of Leo's coma to demonstrate the conflict of being in one for so long. My dad was in one before I was born; he was frail and needed time to react after losing massive weight and strength for his body. The fact Donnie needs to garner further sympathy shows no opportunity for risk; I'd much rather see Leo argue with the Fugitoid or Michelangelo on the situation rather than an event which occurred.

It's convenient writing from this idea that holds it back. A parallel to the Northampton arc I'm all for, but not when there's derailing character development by Leo to make him argue with Donnie again. The idea needs serious improvement as it's entirely out of character.
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Old 12-04-2015, 06:51 PM   #351
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However I personally don't feel they would have skipped that long period of time without reason. One reason is that the turtles would be morning the losses they have suffered again at the end of the season, and they didn't need to have two seasons begin with the Turtles grieving for what they have lost.

And at best if we do see anything from that Three Month Gap, it would be a flash back that ties into the situation or development of a character or relationship between two characters.
This I actually agree with - As I recall we were told early on there would be 13(?) Northampton episodes, and we've had nowhere near that many. It makes sense that if they are coming, we'd probably get a couple after the space/Triceraton arc - but even that might not make up the apparent shortfall.
A quick flashback makes a lot of good sense, and also ties up those emotional loose ends without getting bogged down in them.

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To me, it's completely absurd for all these characters to shed an ounce of sympathy to Don each time; as far as I care, the other Turtles deserve some limelight in a dark episode, especially Michelangelo.
I think that might be a little over the top. Just because the point in question is driven by resolving the Don/Leo tension and/or guilt from Invasion doesnt mean that Raph and Mikey wouldnt get some attention. After all - even with the example as it stands, Raph obviously took the reigns -How would he have felt about it?
Equally, Mikey is emotionally reliant on his brothers - one of whom was in a coma, another possibly gripped by guilt and the other likely frustrated and lost. How would Mikey have felt?
There's plenty of room for drama on all of them there - Don's argument and subsequent guilt with Leo is just a plot point that drives the rest

The idea of paralleling that with an argument over the Triceratons does make quite a bit of sense - depending of course on the context;

Take for example if Dregg has managed to become a major threat by stealing the Black hole weapon and threatening to turn it on the Triceratons. Would Leo and Don argue over helping the Triceratons?

I admit you could just as easily take the same line of an argument between Raph and Leo, but at least that earlier parallel and unresolved issue gives an interesting backdrop that mirrors the 'current' situation.

That probably made more sense in my head
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I think that might be a little over the top. Just because the point in question is driven by resolving the Don/Leo tension and/or guilt from Invasion doesnt mean that Raph and Mikey wouldnt get some attention. After all - even with the example as it stands, Raph obviously took the reigns -How would he have felt about it?
Equally, Mikey is emotionally reliant on his brothers - one of whom was in a coma, another possibly gripped by guilt and the other likely frustrated and lost. How would Mikey have felt?
There's plenty of room for drama on all of them there - Don's argument and subsequent guilt with Leo is just a plot point that drives the rest

The idea of paralleling that with an argument over the Triceratons does make quite a bit of sense - depending of course on the context;

Take for example if Dregg has managed to become a major threat by stealing the Black hole weapon and threatening to turn it on the Triceratons. Would Leo and Don argue over helping the Triceratons?

I admit you could just as easily take the same line of an argument between Raph and Leo, but at least that earlier parallel and unresolved issue gives an interesting backdrop that mirrors the 'current' situation.
That and the fact both Donnie and Honeycutt are pacifists. HoneyCutt has already stated he is a pacifist. Donnie hasn't stated, but there have been heavy hints of him being one.

The argument in my scenario is Leo and everyone else is justifiably angry with the Triceraton's for the distruction of Earth. Leo in the opening clearly calls the Triceraton's evil and in a way he's right about that.

But the only Triceraton's who can be classified as evil are Mozar and Zenramon and even then that is a stretch. The rest are just following orders. We know the Triceraton's are hunting for the three pieces of the Heart of Darkness and the mission at this time is to follow the Triceraton's and prevent them from obtaining the pieces of the the black hole generator.

The Triceraton fleet is bigger, stronger, and more numerous then then Turtles and their companions. So yes there is a large likelihood they would gather the pieces of the heart of darkness before the Turtles do. The Turtles would be fortunate to prevent the Triceraton's from obtaining one piece let alone all three.


Leo also has a bad habit of having a one track mind at times. When he's focused on one idea that seems right, he doesn't always listen to or consider what his brothers are suggesting or offering to the mix.

Let's look at Donnie's Turtle mech for example as that was the start of the argument between them.

Both Donnie and Leo had good ideas and good arguments against the ideas of the other.

Donnie's argument for the mech- It would be piloted by the four of them and it would be able to take out the Kraang enmass thus slowing down and possibly stopping the invasion.

Leo's argument against the mech was that it wasn't finished and could do unneeded damage to the city.
Leo's argument is quite correct as taking out the energy grid of the city helped the Kraang more then it hindered them.

Leo's argument was to create a second base outside the city.

Donnie's argument against is was they didn't have time to do so.
Much like Leo's however, Donnie's argument is also correct as the Kraang invasion was pretty much on their door step.

Splinter even tells them that their ego's are forcing them against one another...when they 'should' be working 'together' to stop the Kraang.

The key words here are Should and Together. Donnie and Leo are skilled individually, but they are at their best when they fight along side one another, Donnie's skills act in compliment to Leo's much like Mikey's act in compliment to Raph's.
So in other words Splinter is telling his son's that they need to collaborate rather then fight each other over who had the stronger suggestion.

However Splinter doesn't directly tell his sons what should be done, but rather leaves the matter open for his sons to come to decisions and conclusions on their own rather then telling them what decisions they should be making.

So yeah...if the Triceraton's got their hands on majority if not all three pieces of the Heart of Darkness, Leo would want to destroy them to prevent them from destroying Earth. Raph and Casey would likely side with this decision as Raph has suggested during Weird World of Wyrm that they use the first of their remaining wishes to stop the Triceraton's. And Casey also would agree that is would be easier to take out the Triceraton's and the Heart of Darkness together rather then letting them attack earth.

However since this is still before the distruction of Earth, so Triceraton's are innocent of the crime the Turtles know they would commit. So killing them before they commit the deed is not that different then the Triceraton's destroying the Earth just to kill the Kraang.

I don't see Donnie liking or agreeing with the idea of killing off Triceraton's before they are truly guilty of destroying the Earth. I don't see April or Mikey agreeing with it either.

Honeycutt would be neutral about it, and likely won't want to get involved.

Just look as the movie Minority Report. The Movie is set in a future world where the police have a division called Pre-crime. In this division a trio of psychics see visions of murders and crimes that will occur in the future. And the main character's job is to hunt down the people who are allegedly going to commit the crime before they commit them. One of the flaws of this system however is that once people are aware of their future they have the power to change it.

So we know Traximus is an ally of the Turtles among the Triceraton's in the past. In the 2k3 version he questions the destructive ways of the Triceraton's under Zenramon's rule. And was imprisoned in the gladiator cells, the years of fighting made him forget his peoples honor until he meets the Turtles. So there had to be at least a few Triceraton's who aren't happy about the idea of using this weapon on a backwater planet full of innocent people
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I think an alliance could certainly happen if the situation was desperate enough - The Triceratons dont come across as deliberately malicious so much as rather single minded and extremely heavy handed.

And in the situation where the turtles were to be forced to consider an alliance, I can well imagine Leo and Raph being the first to try and deny any chance of considering it.

I think that it could make a really interesting dynamic to force an argument Possibly even one that someone like Dregg could quietly manipulate
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I think an alliance could certainly happen if the situation was desperate enough - The Triceratons dont come across as deliberately malicious so much as rather single minded and extremely heavy handed.

And in the situation where the turtles were to be forced to consider an alliance, I can well imagine Leo and Raph being the first to try and deny any chance of considering it.

I think that it could make a really interesting dynamic to force an argument Possibly even one that someone like Dregg could quietly manipulate
It is possible that Dregg could broker an alliance with the Triceratons. He gets the Turtles and their companions. They get the heart of darkness and the Fugatoid. But later Dregg double crosses the Triceratons by keeping the heart of darkness for himself so he can instill more fear in the universe.
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Here's my pitch for a City at War adaptation.

Say the reset button gets hit at the end of the Turtles in Space arc. Yet, somehow, everyone remembers what went down in their final moments before getting sucked into a black hole. The Foot Clan realizes that their lives are meaningless to Shredder (or at least finally see it for themselves), and largely abandon him.

Xever goes off to rejoin the Purple Dragons, becoming Hun's second-in-command. They begin to build up the organization much like 2003 Hun did to become a credible threat. Stockman joins up with Don Vizioso's mob, since Vizioso comes off as a decent dude and probably would treat Stockman alright (and also Stockman briefly joined the mob during the 2003 City at War). Bebop and Rocksteady run back to the latter's mafia and form another faction. Finally, Bradford, ever the loyalist, sticks with Shredder since he's already shown to be willing to die for his master. To compensate for the loss of his troops, Shredder brings in the 2012 incarnations of Tatsu and the Foot Elite to replace his generals. Tigerclaw, disgusted with Shredder, abandons the Foot and actually allies himself with the Mutanimals - hearkening back to Slash's line about having friends back in "Clash of the Mutanimals".

The turf war also becomes an arms race - the arms being mutants. The factions all try to recruit the various mutants of New York, like Spiderbytez or the Creep. So the Turtles set out to end the war somehow.
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Thats an interesting idea

I like that people would have some inkling or memory of the events of Earth's destruction - though I'm not sure how you could explain why they would exactly .

That said, if the Turtles manage to stop the Triceratons very close to the mark, Shredder's minions may well be aware of Shredder's disregard for their lives and everyone elses - even as the machine is stopped at the very last moment.


And it would definitely be nice to see Xever and Baxter become prominent again
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Thats an interesting idea

I like that people would have some inkling or memory of the events of Earth's destruction - though I'm not sure how you could explain why they would exactly .

That said, if the Turtles manage to stop the Triceratons very close to the mark, Shredder's minions may well be aware of Shredder's disregard for their lives and everyone elses - even as the machine is stopped at the very last moment.


And it would definitely be nice to see Xever and Baxter become prominent again
Well certainly Tigerclaw as he already knows Shredder is cray cray and he has questioned Shredder about his motives on a couple of occasions. He also does believe in honor, so he at the very least would not see honor in stabbing someone from behind, particularly when the fate of the world is at stake.

Ciro has said hinted in at least a couple interviews that Tigerclaw wouldn't always be with the Foot.

So far Donatello is the only Turtle he had never initially encountered during his debut, and in vision quest Donnie had TigerClaw as a for an opponent, while with Leo, Raph, and Mikey it was a more standard enemy.

Leo with Shredder (Shredder is enemy to all the Turtles, but Leo tends to be a prime target since he is leader.)
Raph with Fishface
Mikey with Bradford

For the sake of argument for those reading this, I don't focus my theories and ideas on Donnie because he is my favorite Turtle. I find him easier to write about in general.

For some, Mikey's easier, for others it's Raph and there is nothing wrong with that.


And while Tiger Claw has fought Donnie on a couple of occasions. Both Donatello and Tiger Claw have never really encountered each other in the general sense.

During the Human's vs. Mutants plot line, Donnie is going to to have a lot of importance to the story. This doesn't mean he would be more important then then other Turtles or mutants, because that's not the case. But in a humans vs. mutants scenario...Donnie, April, and Casey would play the role of an idealized future where humans and mutants could exist in harmony with one another.

The very harmony some people would like to destroy because it doesn't fit their ideals for how the world should be.
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Leo also has Karai as a focal villain (when she is a villain)

It will be very interesting to see where the second half of Season 4 goes. I wonder how much of a shake up we will see in the wake of the Triceraton arc.

I know a lot of people are wanting a tournament/Nexus arc, but in all honesty I think a city at war / anti mutant arc is probably going to be more interesting overall.

I'm not sure where Tigerclaw would stand if not beside Shredder. I can't imagine he would necessarily join with the Mutanimals so much as be a free agent.

I'd almost say that Karai joining the Mutanimals seems more likely as it gives her some shelter and scope to work alongside the turtles without being 'with' them.
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Leo also has Karai as a focal villain (when she is a villain)

It will be very interesting to see where the second half of Season 4 goes. I wonder how much of a shake up we will see in the wake of the Triceraton arc.

I know a lot of people are wanting a tournament/Nexus arc, but in all honesty I think a city at war / anti mutant arc is probably going to be more interesting overall.

I'm not sure where Tigerclaw would stand if not beside Shredder. I can't imagine he would necessarily join with the Mutanimals so much as be a free agent.

I'd almost say that Karai joining the Mutanimals seems more likely as it gives her some shelter and scope to work alongside the turtles without being 'with' them.

That is true. And should it turn out the Turtles are not able to prevent Splinters death. Karai is not going to want to be with the Turtles. Because half of them have no real love for her and with good reason. And without Splinter there is nothing tying her to them as family.

While I can imagine one on one journeys with her and each of the Turtles (maybe not so much Mikey or Casey) and April. Kinda like Zuko had to with the members of team Avatar since up until the latter half of the third book they had only known him as an enemy.


Tiger Claw I can see being arrested as a mutant and Shredder does nothing to prevent it from happening or just simply walks away. While in the internment camps Tiger Claw encounters one or all the Turtles. A shaky alliance is formed between them knowing that it will only last until they are able to escape the camp. At some point Tiger Claw is in a situation. Some of the Turtles feel it's better to leave him to his fate, because it's not like he wouldn't have left them to die or be recaptured. Others feel they should help him regardless because enemy or not they could still use his help. And at the end of their escape, Tiger Claw tells them he will let them leave with their lives this time...but next time they meet they should count on him being there enemy. Kinda like how Dogpound and Fish face had no real interest in fighting the Turtles because of how exhausted everyone had become after escaping Baxter's maze of doom. And he will return to the Foot, but he would not forgive Shredder for casually abandoning him and using these doubts to fuel his decision to leave the Foot Clan and go his own way.

As for the love triangle between April, Donnie, and Casey. Like I have said, there are people who would want to destroy even the possibility of that even happening because they feel it's something they can ruin...or it doesn't fit their ideals.

First is the Elephant in the room, and that is Karai. Please note this would be purely assuming that she still is a villain despite the fact she coughed up that one worm. Because Shredder is enough of a control freak to put in more then one of those worms into her head with the belief that it would solidify his hold over her. She is the only member of the Foot Clan who really has some idea that Donnie has feelings for April, she hasn't said anything. And she could do a lot worse with this knowledge if this show was able to go into **Cough*** more adult situations. But there is also fanfiction for that.

In Deadly Venom she attacks April first so that way if she was brought to the Turtles, Donnie's attention would be divided and thus wouldn't be able to notice that he and Leo were wading through poison before it's too late. And in four fold trap she does assume the identity of April to lure Donnie away from the lair so he could be over powered and captured.

And Donnie hates Karai not just because she's a threat to his family, but because she has tried to kill April on a couple of occasions. Heck in their argument during 4 Fold Trap, Leo easily could have brought April into the issue by saying "You don't want to help her because she's tried to kill April." But fortunately was mature enough not to pull that card, or at the very least the argument was disrupted before that card could even be played.

Next is the Shredder. He doesn't just want to kill the Hamato Clan...He wants to crush them. One of the issues he had with Hamato Yoshi was that they were both in love with the same girl. And even though Tang Shen died by his hand, he still blamed Hamato Yoshi for it in an "I.E. If it weren't for you, she wouldn't have died." kind of way. So far he only wants April eliminated because she is an ally of the Turtles. However if the triangle was to reach his attention...he could poison Casey's mind to make him believe that if he loses April to Donnie, he would regret it the rest of his life.

Then there is the rest of the gamete with the humans vs. mutants situations.

Lets look at Gargoyles as an example: Following the original series and going into the Goliath Chronicles the quote unquote Red Sky season of the Gargoyles universe.

In the wake of the final episode of the original series a whole debacle erupts about there being Gargoyles in the city of New York. Which divides the city into several groups. One of the side seeing the Gargoyles as a threat simply because of their monstrous appearance. Another group banking on that fear and creating anti-gargoyle task forces. Some wanting to capture the gargoyles and use them for their own selfish gain.

And then there are groups of people who feel that the Gargoyles are not a threat to the city, because there is no proof that they are a threat. Or because the only people they attack are the real monsters. I.E. Those who would pray upon the innocent.

This is the kind of discord that someone like Joan Grody would revel in. I have commented before that Joan is like a cross between Clayton Kellerman and Bern Thompson. She likes ratings and she would slander people to get ratings. I mean look at Muck-man for example. She could have said he was a threat to the city. But there was already a group of people saying he was a hero, so she naturally went with reporting him as such. At least until she could find something to make him appear less like a hero.

The Turtles on the other hand from her reaction after she caught that footage of them in Noxious Avenger felt like she had seen if not at least heard talk about there being four mutant turtles running about town. But never had any footage or proof they existed before then, she then proceeds to vilify the Turtles because well because she can.

And since Muck Man had smoothed things over by saying they were just a bunch of kids playing dress up. The fact he covered for the Turtles could be what makes Joan feature him in a less then heroic light. Using the grounds that if he could lie about the Turtles, what else could he lie about and how can we trust a creature that would knowingly conceal a potential threat to the city.

April naturally would try and reach the city and anyone who would listen that the Turtles aren't a threat and that Joan is lying about them. However if Joan learns about the triangle between Donnie, April, Casey. Joan would happily use that as a way to discredit April's assertions that the Turtles and Mutants are good. And it would be even worse if it's brought into the open that April isn't completely human but rather a human/kraang hybrid mutant.

Then there is Kirby. He's a protective parent and his PTSD following all that has done to him by the Kraang has made him even more protective of April. We can assume that by the suspicious look he tosses out the window in Deadly Venom, that he doesn't really approve of Casey. And while he's okay with the Turtles hanging around April...that is only just as long as they are friends. Learning one of the Turtles is in love with his daughter or vice vs would be pushing boundaries with him that he would not be comfortable with.

Dirk Savage (if he is used) and Abigail Finn (Don't know why we would need her since we have Joan.) will likely target the Turtles human companions as well to bait the Turtles out of hiding
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Since the show is on a hiatus, here is some ideas that could happen in Season 4!

1: The Big Brawl (2003 Episode Basis)

We should have a 4 Part Episode where the Turtles are in a galactic brawl and have to fight in the championships!

2: More of Lord Dregg's Henchman from the 80's show and Battle for Dimension X:

We should see Mung and HiTech again and the Technogang and the Batmen. I reckon there should be a huge battle for Dimension X like Triceratons, Lord Dregg, Turtles and the Kraang all battle it out in one giant big battle.

IDW Characters

Bludgeon, Koya, Old Hob, Alopex and Herman need to appear.

3. Returning to Earth

After saving earth, the Turtles should face the Shredder again but we should get 2 new henchmutants so this season, lets have Tokka and Scrag work for Shredder and this is unlikely but what if Dogpound somehow returned but without Rahzar turning back into human, That would be cool to see him apart of the foot again and it would be so awkard and cool to see how Rahzar and Dogpound interact with each other. Even with Fishface, it would be awkard.

4. The Season Finale

They should save Karai after a 2 WHOLE Seasons of disapointment and finally defeat Shredder but Shredder gets new foot soldiers and gets the Foot Elite and Super Foot Soldiers (Mutated Human Foot Soldiers) and a Huge battle between Lord Dregg, HiTech, Mung, Batmen, Technogang, Slorr verses the Foot with Shredder, Tiger Claw, Baxter-Fly, Dogpound, Fishface, Rahzar, Tokka, Scrag, Rocksteady, Bebop, Chrome Dome, Claw Shredder, Shiva Shredder, Shrimps Shredder, Mega Shredder, Foot-Bots, Foot Elite, Super Foot, Japanese Foot Soldiers, Hun, Fong, Sid, Tsio, Don Viziolso, Fulchi Twin 1, Fulchi Twin 2 verses the Turtles, Splinter, Slash, Leatherhead, Rockwell, Pete, Mondo Gecko, Muckman, Joe Eyball with Old Hob and Herman joining the Mutanimals and Newtralizer, Chong, Spider Bytez and Snakeweed forming their own team (the brotherhoodof evil) versing the Triceratons versing the Kraang versing the EPF (Earth Protection Force) IN ONE GIANT BIG BATTTLE!
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