TMNT 2 Marketing Speculation Thread

[AlZarkovski]

I doubt that we will soon get a teaser. Paramount begins promo company always very late. Maybe January or February...

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by AlZarkovski

I doubt that we will soon get a teaser. Paramount begins promo company always very late. Maybe January or February...

who knows, perhaps Paramount is saving it as a superbowl spot?

Paramount always had superbowl spots for the Transformers movies, so what if they did one for TMNT 2?

It would use some sort of money shot, you remember how the previews for the 1st movie always showed Raph hitting that vehicle? What if its something along those lines but bigger, maybe involving Bebop and Rocksteady?

[AlZarkovski]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

who knows, perhaps Paramount is saving it as a superbowl spot?

I agree!

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

who knows, perhaps Paramount is saving it as a superbowl spot?

Paramount always had superbowl spots for the Transformers movies, so what if they did one for TMNT 2?

It would use some sort of money shot, you remember how the previews for the 1st movie always showed Raph hitting that vehicle? What if its something along those lines but bigger, maybe involving Bebop and Rocksteady?

Superbowl is in February right, so it be good for TMNT 2 to have trailer in the Superbowl spot but it's 3 months away and would it be nice to see a little teaser before.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Superbowl is in February right, so it be good for TMNT 2 to have trailer in the Superbowl spot but it's 3 months away and would it be nice to see a little teaser before.

Yeah, and Paramount doesn't have a Transformers movie in 2016, So they can promote the hell out of TMNT 2 since it would release in June.

[Galactus]

Paramount also pays for those Superbowl slots.

Like I said it's not like TMNT's promotion budget gets unused Transformers money. Having a Superbowl ad would like mean a bigger amount of faith than Paramount has shown in this series thus far. But hey who knows things could change...it's unlikely but possible.

[Leo656]

Super Bowl spots cost the GDP of some small countries. No chance. It'd get murdered, buried, and forgotten by the Batman v Superman trailer and all the "big" comic book movie trailers people actually care about, for one thing. After the Green Lantern fiasco a few years back, studios are seriously picky and choosy when it comes to which movies they waste all that money on for a 30-second SB spot that's just going to be on YouTube by midnight.

Plus, practicality. They have 187 full-CGI characters to work on in this movie; there is NOT money in the budget for a Super Bowl ad.

I mean they could do one, but it would be a complete waste of money and effort for a movie that's not going to be a world-breaker. So I highly doubt they will. They made "enough" money last time and didn't advertise anything until late spring, so I imagine that's what they'll do again.

Plus most TMNT fans don't care about the Super Bowl anyway and the suits know that. "They Could" is like, literally the only reason anyone could think they'd bother with an ad during the Super Bowl. They're going to play it safe and spend those advertising dollars elsewhere, I wager.

[graphic_content]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Plus most TMNT fans don't care about the Super Bowl anyway and the suits know that. "They Could" is like, literally the only reason anyone could think they'd bother with an ad during the Super Bowl. They're going to play it safe and spend those advertising dollars elsewhere, I wager.

I think its safe to say most 'hardcore' TMNT fans dont care about the Super Bowl - but if we are honest, lately, as in the last several years, its been popular to like Turtles. To the point where people that can't even identify the brothers by their color/weapon are wearing shirts simply because its trendy. And as long as we are being honest, most of the people watching the Super Bowl dont even care about the game. They are watching because they were invited to party, to eat, drink, socialize, and maybe watch the game in the background. I think its a great place to market the new film...especially with all the new named faces.

We leads me to my next point...the named faces.

While I am excited about a trailer for this film, I have to be honest with myself, and know that these Turtles take forever to put on screen, so we may only see glimpses, at best. With all the named talent coming onboard, Tyler Perry, Stephen Amell, Brian Tee, etc. I think its safe to say that the majority of any teaser/trailer we get early on will be human-centric. As a fan, I'm bummed to admit it, but its the truth. Id wager any amount of money on that.

[IndigoErth]

Yeah, don't really care about the Super Bowl, but - the commercials however... I either try to catch some of those on tv or, in the past couple of years, view them online. I'd honestly rather see something like what I suggested before rather than a teaser/trailer right then, as being Super Bowl it needs to be more creative than that just showing a trailer, though that resource (creativity) is limited in certain film makers, so I'd be shocked if they could pull it off. (You know, it sucks to have ideas that some Hollywood sorts would be too dumb to think of or pull off...)

Originally Posted by graphic_content

I think its safe to say that the majority of any teaser/trailer we get early on will be human-centric.

Hate to say it, but probably quite right.

Though I wish they'd switch gears, focus on the Turtles, and then leave B&R, etc to the stuff they hold back on and give just very small peeks/suggestion of this time.

[Vicky82]

Warcraft Trailer is out and it looks awesome and I hate to say it but it could beat TMNT 2, it maybe be the top grossing movie for June and maybe the year depending on movie reviews.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Warcraft Trailer is out and it looks awesome and I hate to say it but it could beat TMNT 2, it maybe be the top grossing movie for June and maybe the year depending on movie reviews.

It does look awesome, but you forget about five different movies that will be beating the pants off this or TMNT 2:

• Captain America 3
• Batman V Superman
• Suicide Squad
• Doctor Strange
• X-Men Apocalypse

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

It does look awesome, but you forget about five different movies that will be beating the pants off this or TMNT 2:

• Captain America 3
• Batman V Superman
• Suicide Squad
• Doctor Strange
• X-Men Apocalypse

Yeah I know Civil War, Deadpool and Batman vs Superman will beat TMNT2 (it could be pretty tight with the other 3 and Gambit though) they will be for the yearly gross but I was talking about June's monthly gross and that Warcraft could pull a shocker and beat the other movies in June, Independence Day 2, Finding Dory ect.

This is my prediction from a few months ago for comic book movies next year

Batmanvs Superman $300M +
Captain America $300M +
Deadpool $250M - $300M
Suicide Squad $200M - $250M
X-Men $200M - $250M
TMNT 2 $200M - $250M
Gambit $150M - $200M
Dr Strange $150M - $200M

I reckon it's going to be a fight for no 1 comic book film between Batman vs Superman and Captain America.

I expect Deadpool will make a lot of money because I bet people will see this movie multiple times.

It's going to be a triple threat match between Suicide Squad, X-Men and TMNT2 and I bet it's going to be very close. X-Men will probably make the same amount of money like last year as none of there movies have gone over $250M.

TMNT 2 will have new characters which are fan favourites and I expect Arrow and WWE fans who arn't fans of TMNT will see this movie. So there could be possibility that TMNT could beat X-Men.

Gambit and Doctor Strange will probably be similar to Antman's yearly gross, I doubt Antman will go over $200M this year so I expect Gambit and Dr Strange will be the same.

If I go by the UK I bet it's going to look like this

Batman vs Superman $40M+
X-Men $40M +
Captain America $30M - $35M
Deadpool $25M - $30M
TMNT 2 $25M - $30M
Suicide Squad $20M - $25M
Gambit $20M - $25M
Dr Strange $20M - $25M

X-Men is popular her in the UK so I reckon it's going to be top Marvel movie
I bet Deadpool will be rated 18 so that could hurt it.
TMNT 2 is coming out on June 3rd (hopefully it won't change) here so hopefully it make more money than last year, I bet piracy hurt it due to coming out 2 months later.

Also if TMNT came out this year and not last year it would of beaten Ant Man in the yearly gross.

[Leo656]

For some reason I think Deadpool might underwhelm. Not sure why. I mean the family audience isn't there, the whole 3-4 people going to see it 2-3 times thing almost all those other comic book movies are going to have, with the excited little kids, and the Moms, and all the "That was great, next week let's bring Grandma!" kind of thing that pushes those movies into huge numbers. I think it'll do okay but I don't think it'll be a world-breaker, more like a mildly successful curiosity. R-rated super-hero movies haven't set the world on fire so far; it's a very niche market. This looks to be one of the better ones and it clearly has a passionate audience, but so did Kick-Ass, Watchmen, and Punisher: War Zone, just as a few examples. Each of those movies gave its target audience exactly what they wanted to see but it wasn't enough to make them go see it over and over again in any of those cases. Each movie did "okay" but not anywhere near what they were "supposed" to do.

It'll do alright for a movie the studio once thought so little of that they canned the project for years, sure. But if it does $300 million I'll be pretty pleasantly surprised. Maybe in the 200s. I'unno, obscure character, hard R rating, almost non-existent business from kids and women... it's got an uphill battle. Luckily it looks pretty slick. It looks like it'll hit all the right notes with its target audience, so it'll ultimately come down to how many of those people go see it more than once.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Obscure character??!! Leo, Deadpool is nearly as popular and well known as the Avengers these days. Already one movie appearance, hero tees in major stores, plus multiple video game appearances- he's big now. I've seen plenty of chatter on various social media that is excited for his first solo film, R rating or not.

[Leo656]

Clearly we have different criteria as to what constitutes "obscure".

Mine is, go up to any random person and ask them what they think of Deadpool. Nobody knows. Nobody knows who that is. He's not as deep in the dark as the Guardians of the Galaxy were, but still pretty deep. Having a minor role in that Wolverine flick everyone wishes they could forget doesn't count for much, honestly. Neither does social media chatter.

Sometimes I feel like the only person around here who gauges things by Real-Life Awareness, not Internet Awareness. Not even remotely the same thing. Of course the message board dweebs are aware who Deadpool is, that's the character's entire audience; ask anyone who sees the sun more than once a week, or who doesn't have the number of their comic book store saved in their cell phone, and they don't know who he is. The man on the street couldn't tell you Deadpool from Deathstroke. Thus, he's an "obscure character".

Even the Avengers comparisons are pretty weak. Which Avengers? Cap, Hulk, Iron Man and Thor, or "those other guys"? Because they're in no way equal. Everyone on Earth knows the names of the Big Four now, sure; but to most movie-goers, Hawkeye isn't "Hawkeye", he's "That guy with the bow and arrow". Scarlet Johansson's character is only referred to as "Black Widow" by the minority who are actually comic book fans; everyone else watching the movie just calls her "Scarlett Johansson". So even saying a character has "an Avengers-level of awareness" can be a pretty broad statement that means a lot of different things.

Sorry man, I don't make the rules. Now listen, obviously that's going to change when the movie's out, like it did for Guardians, and to a much, much lesser extent... heh... Ant-Man. But c'mon, as of right now, Deadpool is in no way "big". He's "big" among the exact audience he's made to appeal to, and that's like, yeah, no sh*t. Maybe he'll be "Big" among everyone else by this time next year. Right now he's a nobody. Just sayin'. That doesn't mean that won't turn around, just a realistic evaluation of things as they relate to the character's general level of cultural awareness right now. And right now, he's obscure.

I mean I get it. Booster Gold is the greatest ever, and nobody at all besides me and Dan Jurgens cares. That's a sh*tty thing to have to live with. So believe me, I get it. At least your guy gets a movie.

[Etsyturtle2]

Originally Posted by Leo656

For some reason I think Deadpool might underwhelm. Not sure why. I mean the family audience isn't there, the whole 3-4 people going to see it 2-3 times thing almost all those other comic book movies are going to have, with the excited little kids, and the Moms, and all the "That was great, next week let's bring Grandma!" kind of thing that pushes those movies into huge numbers. I think it'll do okay but I don't think it'll be a world-breaker, more like a mildly successful curiosity. R-rated super-hero movies haven't set the world on fire so far; it's a very niche market. This looks to be one of the better ones and it clearly has a passionate audience, but so did Kick-Ass, Watchmen, and Punisher: War Zone, just as a few examples. Each of those movies gave its target audience exactly what they wanted to see but it wasn't enough to make them go see it over and over again in any of those cases. Each movie did "okay" but not anywhere near what they were "supposed" to do.

It'll do alright for a movie the studio once thought so little of that they canned the project for years, sure. But if it does $300 million I'll be pretty pleasantly surprised. Maybe in the 200s. I'unno, obscure character, hard R rating, almost non-existent business from kids and women... it's got an uphill battle. Luckily it looks pretty slick. It looks like it'll hit all the right notes with its target audience, so it'll ultimately come down to how many of those people go see it more than once.

I read an article somewhere, that had this exact logic, plus some things about how movies released in February are expected to do poorly and bla bla bla.
Plus, my parents are big marvel fans. Mostly because of the movies I wanna see, my mom especially. Marvel movies are among her favorites and my dad grew up with the comics, but neither one could tell me who deadpool was. And, as you said, my parents probably won't bring me to see it because of the r rating.
I maybe could, because I saw the daredevil directors cut and several other r rated movies, but deadpool is such a heavily violence influenced character that I can tell my parents would find it obnoxious.
And a side note, I definitely think tmnt will do better. In my theater on August 8th, the theater was fuller than it had ever been and everyone was wearing tmnt costumes and shirts and bandanas, and they handed out the movie figures to little kids and collected cards to older people. There is such a large fanbase and family quality and widely known audience that so many people will see it. And deadpool is the kind of movie some marine would see with his girlfriend. In my town at least.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Etsyturtle2

In my theater on August 8th, the theater was fuller than it had ever been and everyone was wearing tmnt costumes and shirts and bandanas, and they handed out the movie figures to little kids and collected cards to older people.

How many people threw their stuff back at the screen after they actually watched the movie?

That actually happened at the opening night screening of Ang Lee's "Hulk" I went to. Never saw that before. It was like the "chicken wire" scene from "The Blue Brothers" except it was cheap green T-shirts flying around instead of beer bottles. For the record I enjoyed the movie and found the audience's show of disdain to be a bit excessive, but completely hilarious at the same time.

[Etsyturtle2]

Originally Posted by Leo656

How many people threw their stuff back at the screen after they actually watched the movie?

That actually happened at the opening night screening of Ang Lee's "Hulk" I went to. Never saw that before. It was like the "chicken wire" scene from "The Blue Brothers" except it was cheap green T-shirts flying around instead of beer bottles. For the record I enjoyed the movie and found the audience's show of disdain to be a bit excessive, but completely hilarious at the same time.

It wasn't perfect, but Ang Lees hulk was pretty good. I can't believe people hated it that much. As for tmnt, The scene where raph whispers cowabunga after shredder falls off the roof: deafening applause.

[Leo656]

Yeah, it was a perfect little exclamation point on the way the Turtles triumphantly chucked Shredder off the-...

Oh, wait. April saved the day. The hell was Raph so proud of himself for, exactly? Movie's full'a s*** like that. Dumb little "cheap pop" moments that don't actually make any sense in-context, other than "audience gives Pavlovian preconditioned response to thing/catchphrase they remember." Can't staaaaaaand it.

You know what I really hate, is when a movie does that ONE joke that's in the trailer that's been playing for two months, and everyone's heard a thousand times and is already sick of in real life, but suddenly everyone in the theater collectively laughs uproariously like it's the VERY first time they heard it. You know what I'm talking about. And you can't hear the next like three lines of dialogue over everyone's forced laughing. Drives me nuts.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Etsyturtle2

It wasn't perfect, but Ang Lees hulk was pretty good. I can't believe people hated it that much. As for tmnt, The scene where raph whispers cowabunga after shredder falls off the roof: deafening applause.

The idea's Ang had were interesting; the execution was a tough watch.

Lose the cheesy adobe frame effects and the nasty CGI'd hulk dogs, and Jennifer Connelly - the father son stuff was interesting. Avengers Hulk is the definitive version for me.
Eric Bana would have made a better Bruce Wayne or Green Lantern.