Is this how it works or they set a bad example?

SophieDem · 11-03-2015, 09:44 AM

I know I know. This is something we always argue about on the forums but after I watched the new episode it really bugs me.

Love relationships in the Nick show.

This is how relationships work in real life nowadays? I am not really an experienced person with relationships as I never had any serious one but I am certain they don't work this way. I believe there are times when you develop a crush on someone the first time you meet them but that is so shallow. If you think about it that happened with all four. Donatello and Mikey fell for instantly for Renet and April and Leo ad Raphael became interested in Karai and Mona mainly because of their fighting skills. Mikey and Raph confessed their feelings (even if they didn't express it correctly) at the first given moment. No getting to know them better, no waiting a little bit until they can get a hold on their feelings, no... Instantly falling for them. Ok, Donnie's and Leo's feeling deepened within time. One point for that but the quantity of love relationships got out of control.

Big sigh...

I am so bitter about this topic. I like if a relationship is handled in the right way but these are not like that. They are rushed, shallow, mostly based on first sight which make me cringe. I know that you judge first on the looks and what you see but the inner side what they should have put the emphasis on. Yeah, kids show. Yeah, they are teenagers who like hot women. Hell, even grown up me like hotties who am I kidding? It just... saddens me.

What are your thoughts on this? This is a kind of relationship people need these days? The writers set a bad example?

~~Amaranthus~~ · 11-03-2015, 09:54 AM

I had a huge crush based solely on looks last year and it tore me apart. I didn't even know the girl. I'm over it now but I still can't help looking at her a lot.
Fml.

The Happy One · 11-03-2015, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SophieDem

I know I know. This is something we always argue about on the forums but after I watched the new episode it really bugs me.

Love relationships in the Nick show.

This is how relationships work in real life nowadays? I am not really an experienced person with relationships as I never had any serious one but I am certain they don't work this way. I believe there are times when you develop a crush on someone the first time you meet them but that is so shallow. If you think about it that happened with all four. Donatello and Mikey fell for instantly for Renet and April and Leo ad Raphael became interested in Karai and Mona mainly because of their fighting skills. Mikey and Raph confessed their feelings (even if they didn't express it correctly) at the first given moment. No getting to know them better, no waiting a little bit until they can get a hold on their feelings, no... Instantly falling for them. Ok, Donnie's and Leo's feeling deepened within time. One point for that but the quantity of love relationships got out of control.

Big sigh...

I am so bitter about this topic. I like if a relationship is handled in the right way but these are not like that. They are rushed, shallow, mostly based on first sight which make me cringe. I know that you judge first on the looks and what you see but the inner side what they should have put the emphasis on. Yeah, kids show. Yeah, they are teenagers who like hot women. Hell, even grown up me like hotties who am I kidding? It just... saddens me.

What are your thoughts on this? This is a kind of relationship people need these days? The writers set a bad example?

Well this is a show....and if I learned anything from shows, especially cartoons, is that not everything that happens to characters or how it happens, will ever apply to real life

And that is why, my friend, I have not be the least bit disappointed in how they convey the Turtles' little crushes and relationships because I know it's real.

It's something called cartoon logic. And in the vast and creative world of cartoons anything goes!

Aaronardo · 11-03-2015, 10:08 AM

Maybe if the show addressed the way the four go about it being "it's shallow, but, y'know, they're teenagers" and do it in a subtle enough way, then yeah, I could totally see it working this way. But relationships in this series always felt rushed and forced, and they expect you to take them seriously.
Oh, and to answer your question, they just set a bad example. Maybe Donnie or someone will learn this lesson and use that on April and she'll fall in love with him, but who knows. Probably not, though. That's too smart for this show.

*Vicky82* · 11-03-2015, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SophieDem

I know I know. This is something we always argue about on the forums but after I watched the new episode it really bugs me.

Love relationships in the Nick show.

This is how relationships work in real life nowadays? I am not really an experienced person with relationships as I never had any serious one but I am certain they don't work this way. I believe there are times when you develop a crush on someone the first time you meet them but that is so shallow. If you think about it that happened with all four. Donatello and Mikey fell for instantly for Renet and April and Leo ad Raphael became interested in Karai and Mona mainly because of their fighting skills. Mikey and Raph confessed their feelings (even if they didn't express it correctly) at the first given moment. No getting to know them better, no waiting a little bit until they can get a hold on their feelings, no... Instantly falling for them. Ok, Donnie's and Leo's feeling deepened within time. One point for that but the quantity of love relationships got out of control.

Big sigh...

I am so bitter about this topic. I like if a relationship is handled in the right way but these are not like that. They are rushed, shallow, mostly based on first sight which make me cringe. I know that you judge first on the looks and what you see but the inner side what they should have put the emphasis on. Yeah, kids show. Yeah, they are teenagers who like hot women. Hell, even grown up me like hotties who am I kidding? It just... saddens me.

What are your thoughts on this? This is a kind of relationship people need these days? The writers set a bad example?

Well my Mum and Dad got together the first time they met, it was Love at first sight for them and they got married a few months later. They have been married 42 years now.

So yeah it does happen to couples, some have a long happy marriage and some don't.

*CyberCubed* · 11-03-2015, 12:42 PM

Don't base real life relationships over cartoons.

~~Amaranthus~~ · 11-03-2015, 12:45 PM

Tfw you actually try to add to a topic by pouring your heart out and no-one cares.

kelligrafie · 11-03-2015, 12:56 PM

I don't really see how you couldn't have posted this as a comment in one of the already existing threads on relationships within the series.

But I'll humour you.

I don't think it's sensible to say how a relationship can or should work, even within fiction because every person/character is different. Therefore every couple is different.

Do I think it's a good idea to rush into things? No.

But then again if you're referring to the Raphael-Mona from last episode, they were in a situation where there was a real possibility they were going to freeze to death, and that does things to your judgement.

It's not like he's going to see her every day at school and let the relationship slowly build up. She lives halfway across the galaxy.

It was very close to a holiday romance really.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 11-03-2015, 01:09 PM

I have had relationships that bloomed on first meeting- one in particular was very intense, happened during a trip, and turned into a long-distance relationship, much like what Raph's may end up being. As for getting together quickly and having it last? Going on 18 years with the man who was not only my uh, "first", but we "got together" and he moved in within a week of our first date! So yes, it DOES happen, though not often. I've been mostly fine with how they are portrayed in the show, because I can look at them and go "yeah, okay, that can happen". Because I've lived through some of the same things.

Mona_Lisa · 11-03-2015, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kelligrafie

I don't think it's sensible to say how a relationship can or should work, even within fiction because every person/character is different. Therefore every couple is different.

Do I think it's a good idea to rush into things? No.

But then again if you're referring to the Raphael-Mona from last episode, they were in a situation where there was a real possibility they were going to freeze to death, and that does things to your judgement.

It's not like he's going to see her every day at school and let the relationship slowly build up. She lives halfway across the galaxy.

It was very close to a holiday romance really.

This is pretty much how I feel, everyone is different, and every relationship is different.
I know a couple who "Feel in love at first sight" got married after only two months, and there still going strong. The guy still tells the story of spotting this woman walking across the Community Collage parking lot, and is so gushy and romantic that I think a lot of us women end up feeling jipped (is that a real word or a Southern thing).
Me and my husband? We were friends first. Then he feel for me, then I feel for him. I knew him 5 years before we married. Now we have been married 11 years and were very happy ( I was 19). Everyone's story is different.

*BubblyShell22* · 11-03-2015, 03:01 PM

I don't think the romance is bad in this show at all. Everyone handles love differently and most romances in fiction are like this because that's just the way it is. My relationship started out very slowly. We were friends first and then we became a couple. We've been together for twelve years now. Everyone handles it differently and everyone should move at whatever pace they feel comfortable with.

SophieDem · 11-04-2015, 03:01 PM

Thanks for the comments, guys.

I was just really curious about your opinions.

It's good to know that there are relationships which become strong even if they were love at first sight. You know, I may be negative but this "by our first look I knew we were meant to be" just seem to be too cheesy and unreal. You must be hella lucky if things turn out good in that kind of relationship.

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Originally Posted by kelligrafie

I don't really see how you couldn't have posted this as a comment in one of the already existing threads on relationships within the series.

But I'll humour you.

I don't think it's sensible to say how a relationship can or should work, even within fiction because every person/character is different. Therefore every couple is different.

Do I think it's a good idea to rush into things? No.

But then again if you're referring to the Raphael-Mona from last episode, they were in a situation where there was a real possibility they were going to freeze to death, and that does things to your judgement.

It's not like he's going to see her every day at school and let the relationship slowly build up. She lives halfway across the galaxy.

It was very close to a holiday romance really.

To be honest, it would have been just a new topic. It wouldn't have been relatable. I considered doing it but opening a new thread would draw more attention. And the relationship topic is something people like to argue about.

That's what I think.

Ok, I didn't consider everything, sorry. You got your point. Now I think about it, every one of them wanted to confess. Well, some of them did - in a situation which they thought would be the last one with their love interests.

SophieDem · 11-04-2015, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Amaranthus

Tfw you actually try to add to a topic by pouring your heart out and no-one cares.

Sorry about your loss, Amaranthus. Somebody will surely come in your way.

~~Etsyturtle2~~ · 11-04-2015, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaronardo

Maybe if the show addressed the way the four go about it being "it's shallow, but, y'know, they're teenagers" and do it in a subtle enough way, then yeah, I could totally see it working this way. But relationships in this series always felt rushed and forced, and they expect you to take them seriously.
Oh, and to answer your question, they just set a bad example. Maybe Donnie or someone will learn this lesson and use that on April and she'll fall in love with him, but who knows. Probably not, though. That's too smart for this show.

I wish I was April. The turtles are um... Handsome...

~~Mew~~ · 11-04-2015, 04:44 PM

I've had crushes, but just because they are "attractive" doesn't mean I want to just fall in love with them.

kolaida · 11-04-2015, 09:25 PM

Well, it is a cartoon. I wouldn't really call their crushes "shallow." Pretty normal, if not over top at times. Lots of people develop crushes, sometimes they grow, sometimes not, sometimes returned, sometimes not, we've all made fools of ourselves at some point. Don't overthink it. Have some fun, go mess around some, lol!

*snake* · 11-04-2015, 10:19 PM

It's a cartoon for kids about talking turtles.

Calm down.

*Coola Yagami* · 11-05-2015, 08:43 PM

Cartoons are usually like that. It's all about looks, and if said love interest turns out to be a real jerk, they usually find out within the same episode, unlike real life when one usually finds out way later.

kelligrafie · 11-06-2015, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mew

I've had crushes, but just because they are "attractive" doesn't mean I want to just fall in love with them.

Exactly.

You can't do anything about the initial fancying of someone. If you're attracted to them, you're attracted to them.

But you CHOOSE to make (or not) the next move. You choose to date or marry or kiss or sleep with the person (provided they're up for any of that too of course).

~~Leo656~~ · 11-06-2015, 09:35 PM

Leo and Karai is the most realistic because when you're with someone for long enough, eventually all you think about is killing each other. Trust me on that.

To those who think they themselves are longing, desperate, or needy: Suck it up, you ain't missing much.

As for any kind of relationship angle on this show, yeah it's done dumb. A lot of things in this show are dumb. It's not a bad show, but it's a very dumb one. Having a half-dozen concurrent subplots about fake relationships is exceptionally dumb.

In fact, the only thing dumber than THAT would be extrapolating on the dumbness of it as a group. Oh, wait, here we are. Sigh.

11-03-2015, 09:44 AM	#1
SophieDem Foot Soldier Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Hungary Posts: 133	Is this how it works or they set a bad example? I know I know. This is something we always argue about on the forums but after I watched the new episode it really bugs me. Love relationships in the Nick show. This is how relationships work in real life nowadays? I am not really an experienced person with relationships as I never had any serious one but I am certain they don't work this way. I believe there are times when you develop a crush on someone the first time you meet them but that is so shallow. If you think about it that happened with all four. Donatello and Mikey fell for instantly for Renet and April and Leo ad Raphael became interested in Karai and Mona mainly because of their fighting skills. Mikey and Raph confessed their feelings (even if they didn't express it correctly) at the first given moment. No getting to know them better, no waiting a little bit until they can get a hold on their feelings, no... Instantly falling for them. Ok, Donnie's and Leo's feeling deepened within time. One point for that but the quantity of love relationships got out of control. Big sigh... I am so bitter about this topic. I like if a relationship is handled in the right way but these are not like that. They are rushed, shallow, mostly based on first sight which make me cringe. I know that you judge first on the looks and what you see but the inner side what they should have put the emphasis on. Yeah, kids show. Yeah, they are teenagers who like hot women. Hell, even grown up me like hotties who am I kidding? It just... saddens me. What are your thoughts on this? This is a kind of relationship people need these days? The writers set a bad example? __________________ Tono-sama is Tono-sama. - Kotoha Shinkenger The heart is a soft muscle, man. - Michelangelo Leo and Long-Neck Alien is my otp. - Candy Kappa SHIPPER! SHIPPER I TELL YOU!

11-03-2015, 10:08 AM	#4
Aaronardo Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: :noitacoL Posts: 1,043	Maybe if the show addressed the way the four go about it being "it's shallow, but, y'know, they're teenagers" and do it in a subtle enough way, then yeah, I could totally see it working this way. But relationships in this series always felt rushed and forced, and they expect you to take them seriously. Oh, and to answer your question, they just set a bad example. Maybe Donnie or someone will learn this lesson and use that on April and she'll fall in love with him, but who knows. Probably not, though. That's too smart for this show. __________________ "Shredder, you gotta listen to reason!" - Leonardo "Oh Turtles! Oh Turtles! Chew your gum properly." "If I miss this week's Kirby, heads are gonna roll." - Raphael "The Biosites have almost finished healing my flesh." - Shredder "Because we're takin' the heart and you're goin' to jail!" - Donatello

11-03-2015, 12:56 PM	#8
kelligrafie Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Huddersfield, UK Posts: 840	I don't really see how you couldn't have posted this as a comment in one of the already existing threads on relationships within the series. But I'll humour you. I don't think it's sensible to say how a relationship can or should work, even within fiction because every person/character is different. Therefore every couple is different. Do I think it's a good idea to rush into things? No. But then again if you're referring to the Raphael-Mona from last episode, they were in a situation where there was a real possibility they were going to freeze to death, and that does things to your judgement. It's not like he's going to see her every day at school and let the relationship slowly build up. She lives halfway across the galaxy. It was very close to a holiday romance really. __________________ "You don't see (Shredder) calling Rahzar 'Chris'." victory_angel "When it's not what I'd like it to be, I still enjoy it." ElectricN

11-03-2015, 01:09 PM	#9
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	I have had relationships that bloomed on first meeting- one in particular was very intense, happened during a trip, and turned into a long-distance relationship, much like what Raph's may end up being. As for getting together quickly and having it last? Going on 18 years with the man who was not only my uh, "first", but we "got together" and he moved in within a week of our first date! So yes, it DOES happen, though not often. I've been mostly fine with how they are portrayed in the show, because I can look at them and go "yeah, okay, that can happen". Because I've lived through some of the same things. __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

11-03-2015, 03:01 PM	#11
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	I don't think the romance is bad in this show at all. Everyone handles love differently and most romances in fiction are like this because that's just the way it is. My relationship started out very slowly. We were friends first and then we became a couple. We've been together for twelve years now. Everyone handles it differently and everyone should move at whatever pace they feel comfortable with. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

11-03-2015, 09:54 AM	#2
~~Amaranthus~~ Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: West-Flanders, Belgium Posts: 1,815	I had a huge crush based solely on looks last year and it tore me apart. I didn't even know the girl. I'm over it now but I still can't help looking at her a lot. Fml.

11-03-2015, 12:42 PM	#6
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,880	Don't base real life relationships over cartoons.

11-03-2015, 12:45 PM	#7
~~Amaranthus~~ Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: West-Flanders, Belgium Posts: 1,815	Tfw you actually try to add to a topic by pouring your heart out and no-one cares.

11-04-2015, 04:44 PM	#15
~~Mew~~ Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: In an apartment Posts: 3,159	I've had crushes, but just because they are "attractive" doesn't mean I want to just fall in love with them.

11-04-2015, 09:25 PM	#16
kolaida Foot Soldier Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 240	Well, it is a cartoon. I wouldn't really call their crushes "shallow." Pretty normal, if not over top at times. Lots of people develop crushes, sometimes they grow, sometimes not, sometimes returned, sometimes not, we've all made fools of ourselves at some point. Don't overthink it. Have some fun, go mess around some, lol!

11-04-2015, 10:19 PM	#17
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	It's a cartoon for kids about talking turtles. Calm down.

11-05-2015, 08:43 PM	#18
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,710	Cartoons are usually like that. It's all about looks, and if said love interest turns out to be a real jerk, they usually find out within the same episode, unlike real life when one usually finds out way later. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

11-06-2015, 09:35 PM	#20
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Leo and Karai is the most realistic because when you're with someone for long enough, eventually all you think about is killing each other. Trust me on that. To those who think they themselves are longing, desperate, or needy: Suck it up, you ain't missing much. As for any kind of relationship angle on this show, yeah it's done dumb. A lot of things in this show are dumb. It's not a bad show, but it's a very dumb one. Having a half-dozen concurrent subplots about fake relationships is exceptionally dumb. In fact, the only thing dumber than THAT would be extrapolating on the dumbness of it as a group. Oh, wait, here we are. Sigh.