Wonder Woman Movie

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No one wants a wonder woman movie. No one is actually a wonder woman fan. Anyone claiming to be a wonder woman fan has usually never picked up a comic book in their life. Wonder woman was only good in the justice league cartoons.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by sdp

Do people actually want a WW movie? I know people online have whined about one for years but does the general public want one?

I absolutely do. I think a lot of people are unimpressed or dissatisfied with the Thor movie franchise, and that a more serious and mature take on an ancient god(dess) fighting evil mythological beasts and beings is gonna be well received.

Originally Posted by Leo656

I'm pretty sure they're both from Israel. A strong resemblance isn't that much of a surprise, honestly.

Everything I've seen and heard so far is intriguing. I like the idea of how it will be at least partially-set during World War II, and how it will play heavily on more mythological elements like the Gods and Ares and Circe and all that.

Like "Captain America" meets "God of War". I'm all over that. I'm guessing the parts set in the past will display how Ares was the aggressor manipulating events to plunge the world into war, and then the modern scenes will show the parallel of how he's doing the same thing once again, possibly as a way to help set things up for the JLA movie.

Should be pretty good. I heard they had a rocky start but it looks like they've pulled everything together pretty nicely.

"Captain America" meets "God of War" sounds badass. I was already dying to see this, but you've made me want to see it even more now.

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I absolutely do. I think a lot of people are unimpressed or dissatisfied with the Thor movie franchise, and that a more serious and mature take on an ancient god(dess) fighting evil mythological beasts and beings is gonna be well received.



"Captain America" meets "God of War" sounds badass. I was already dying to see this, but you've made me want to see it even more now.

Movies with a mythology theme don't usually do well at the box office recently.

Not all, but most flop.

See Seventh Son, 47 Ronin, Hercules, Hercules (with the rock), ect

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by snake

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No one wants a wonder woman movie. No one is actually a wonder woman fan. Anyone claiming to be a wonder woman fan has usually never picked up a comic book in their life. Wonder woman was only good in the justice league cartoons.

I strongly disagree. As someone who is currently reading through the Post-Crisis Wonder Woman comics, I've gain a greater appreciation for the character than before.

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Supergirl, Batgirl and now Harley Quinn are far more popular and if you'd ask 20 years ago you only replace Harley with Catwoman. WW has been riding the fumes of being the first female superhero, the 70s show and DC's insistence of the "Trinity" to keep her place in pop culture but ask any non-comic book fan what superheroes they know and they'll list those three before Wonder Woman.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by sdp

Supergirl, Batgirl and now Harley Quinn are far more popular and if you'd ask 20 years ago you only replace Harley with Catwoman. WW has been riding the fumes of being the first female superhero, the 70s show and DC's insistence of the "Trinity" to keep her place in pop culture but ask any non-comic book fan what superheroes they know and they'll list those three before Wonder Woman.

Somehow, I just don't buy that. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

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Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

Somehow, I just don't buy that. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

I agree with you. Wonder Woman is still the most popular. With slut Harley following next for some reason.

I miss old TAS harley

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by snake

I agree with you. Wonder Woman is still the most popular. With slut Harley following next for some reason.

I miss old TAS harley

You me both, pal. Heck, I miss the old Pre-N52 universe period.

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Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

You me both, pal. Heck, I miss the old Pre-N52 universe period.

I think Morrison's Multiversity has softened up the wound for me. As well as the current justice league Johns run.


Flash got it the worst though. We'll never see Jai or Iris or any other member of the flash family again.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by snake

I think Morrison's Multiversity has softened up the wound for me. As well as the current justice league Johns run.


Flash got it the worst though. We'll never see Jai or Iris or any other member of the flash family again.

Ah geez, you just had to reopen old wounds, didn't you?

Oh, how I miss the old Flash gang. Jesse, Bart, Max, old man Jay, Wally, Iris, Linda. The list just goes on...

[Leo656]

I don't think the world cares if it gets a Wonder Woman movie, no. But the world never asked for an all-female Ghostbusters movie, either, or yet another "Seth Rogen On Drugs" movie, and here they are, so f*ck it. Let 'em do a Wonder Woman movie.

As far as the TV show that was canceled before the pilot aired, the reason had little to do with people's desire - a lot of people were actively hoping it took off because they did want the character to get more play - and everything to do with being a cheap, cheesy-looking piece of crap. I haven't gotten to see the entire failed Pilot, sadly, but I've seen clips, enough to say it's a blessing it was canned. The fight scenes looked like sh*t from "Street Fighter: Legend of Chun-Li", and were edited extremely poorly. Her costume looked like something she either got at Party City or Hot Topic; she looked like a stripper doing a Wonder Woman gimmick, with all that tacky shiny pleather. Plus, she's apparently a total bitch, all cocky and arrogant and vicious. Like not using her "Lasso of Truth" to make people talk; one guy, she just breaks his arm, and another she strangles with her lasso. And one guy she flat-out murders by throwing a metal pipe through his neck.

Not even the half of it. God awful. It's not that people didn't want the show, it's that they wanted it until they saw it, then realized everyone had made a tragic mistake. I mean, they spent money on Cary Elwes and Elizabeth Hurley for the pilot, and they still erased the whole thing from existence rather than even attempt to recoup one cent of their investment. That speaks volumes all by itself.
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Meanwhile, you say you don't know much about Wonder Woman. No sh*t; they always center her origin around WWII in some way. Wonder Woman always First Appears in Man's World during WWII, then returns many years later in a more "modern" setting alongside the contemporary heroes like Superman and Batman. That's the way they've been telling the story for decades, although they do tweak it from time to time. Like sometimes, there's only one Wonder Woman, Diana, and she just doesn't age between the 1940s and today because she's magical, and other times, it was her mother Hippolyta who came to America as Wonder Woman in the '40s, and Diana took up the mantle much later in the modern day. Depends who's writing it.

But it's still always, basically, the same story: She shows up in WWII and fights the Nazis, goes back to her island, then shows up again way later on. The comics, the Lynda Carter TV show, and now the movie have told the story that way. I mean, sure, since the Captain America movie came out first, there's room to compare, but the fact that they've always had an extremely similar storyline is nothing new. What are they gonna do, needlessly change it because someone else already did something similar? Both characters debuted within 6 months of each other in 1941, the ship has long since sailed. You can compare similarities but they are indeed in no way at all the same thing.

Like five people are gonna think it reminds them of Captain America because it's partly-set in the 1940s. Because they've already confirmed there's gonna be monsters and dragons and magical sh*t too. So if anything, it'll be a little like Captain America and a little bit like Thor, with all the mythological jargon and gods manipulating Earthly affairs and whatnot. I think the chick directing it almost directed the second Thor movie.

And again, just because there's things you can compare doesn't mean they're the same or one's a "rip-off". That's an extreme over-simplification of things.

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Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

Ah geez, you just had to reopen old wounds, didn't you?

Oh, how I miss the old Flash gang. Jesse, Bart, Max, old man Jay, Wally, Iris, Linda. The list just goes on...

JAY!!

Does Jay even exist in nu52 canon?

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You guys don't have to believe me, go ask any woman who isn't a superhero fan to name 3 female superheroes. I'm also sure people in this forum want a WW movie made but you have to remember the internet =! real life. If it worked like that then we'd be on the tenth season of Arrested Development, FireFly and all those other cancelled shows that the internet loves.

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Originally Posted by sdp

You guys don't have to believe me, go ask any woman who isn't a superhero fan to name 3 female superheroes. I'm also sure people in this forum want a WW movie made but you have to remember the internet =! real life. If it worked like that then we'd be on the tenth season of Arrested Development, FireFly and all those other cancelled shows that the internet loves.

You'll probably get

-Wonder Woman
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People that don't read comics don't know that there are actually hundreds of female superheroes because they suddenly disapear when someone complains that there are no female superheroes.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by snake

JAY!!

Does Jay even exist in nu52 canon?

He does, but....

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Originally Posted by snake

You'll probably get

-Wonder Woman
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People that don't read comics don't know that there are actually hundreds of female superheroes because they suddenly disapear when someone complains that there are no female superheroes.

Just because you don't actually have any friends of the opposite sex to actually ask doesn't mean you can write what you think a woman would say to prove a point.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by sdp

Just because you don't actually have any friends of the opposite sex to actually ask doesn't mean you can write what you think a woman would say to prove a point.

No offense guy, but you're not exactly backing up those statements of yours with provable facts either.

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I told him to ask a girl not to type what he thinks, I've asked plenty of people this before to prove a point online so yeah like I mentioned all you need to do is call your mother or any other woman and ask her and sure some women will say Wonder Woman and Black Widow but come on everyone mentions Supergirl/Batgirl first as the only superheroes they know since they know batman/superman have female versions but don't know anything else about superheroes the popularity of Catwoman in the 90s made her a household name as is Harley Quinn's now unlike WW who outside of vocal minority of fans on the internet isn't really popular/well known as shes only seen as some old pop culture character that most young people don't really know, hell when I used to follow comics 10 years ago her book always sold the worst, so even to most geeks she wasn't worth picking up.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by snake

You'll probably get

-Wonder Woman
-Uh
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People that don't read comics don't know that there are actually hundreds of female superheroes because they suddenly disapear when someone complains that there are no female superheroes.

My wife and I were literally just talking about that in the car on the way home this afternoon. I said almost literally the exact same thing.

Chickens be all like, "We need more female super-heroes! They never do any female super-heroes! More girls would read comics if there were more female super-heroes!" And I'm like, "Wonder Woman's been around since 1941 and there's been hundreds of female super-heroes both big-name and obscure since then. And girls still generally don't read comic books, despite the fact that half the Teen Titans are usually chicks at any given time and Harley Quinn's getting her own movie. So tell me another one, Barbie."

Girls don't read comics as much as guys generally do simply because the entire medium was created out of what adolescent boys, not girls, generally fantasized about doing and being. Super-heroes are a masculine power fantasy. It's not that it isn't "for girls", it's that there's really nothing about the entire genre of super-heroes that really speaks specifically TO them in the first place, so why would they really get into it just because some of the characters are women? That's like saying "more guys should watch ballet because some of the dancers are men"; nobody thinks that way.

Like everything from the violence to the skimpy costumes on the women, everything guys like about comic books, girls generally hate. Like on this forum, even, a lot of girls are like, "I like super-heroes, but I'm more interested in seeing them do mundane things like live their everyday lives, or struggle with their day jobs, instead of just fight all the time." Like, what? And to every single male reader you've just described the single most boring thing you could ever do with people who fly and shoot laser beams. Super-heroes were not created so someone could write "Clark and Lois Get Stuck In Line At The Bank", it's about "You're Strong, I'm Stronger, Let's You And Him Fight!" So when some girls are like, "I like super-heroes, except for pretty much everything about the entire medium from the costumes to the artwork," I kind of don't get what attracted them in the first place. Cartoons, I assume, but everyone has their own individual story to tell on that.

By design, it's all very primal and aggressive and hyper-masculine. So frankly, I'm not at all surprised more girls don't read comics, even though there really are a ton of great characters out there for those who do. But the problem has never been about how many female super-heroes there are, or how many have broken through to the mainstream. It's that it's a storytelling medium that by design isn't really aiming for girls in the first place. They're happy to have female readers, sure, but ultimately, it's like if porn producers started whining they wanted more women to watch their product; they don't care, they know their audience and they've been successfully marketing to them for ages, they don't need to make any waves.

Super-hero comics are like pro wrestling. It's just more for guys than for girls, it's always been that way, it's not changing, ever, and while there's a little bit of cross-over appeal among the fairer sex in recent years, and a few token attempts at forced "progress", it's usually not long-lasting because the girls always inevitably move onto something else and the guys simply don't care if the girls participate or not. You can have women wrestle; wrestling will never be "a thing lots of women are into". Likewise, you can have hundreds of female super-heroes, but super-hero comics will always be more a "guys' thing" than a "girls thing".

My wife does genuinely love comics, however, for which I'm grateful, and Wonder Woman's her favorite (female) charcter. And when people complain that Wonder Woman's costume is too skimpy, she calls them whiny c***ts. She's pretty cool sometimes.
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[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by sdp

I told him to ask a girl not to type what he thinks, I've asked plenty of people this before to prove a point online so yeah like I mentioned all you need to do is call your mother or any other woman and ask her and sure some women will say Wonder Woman and Black Widow but come on everyone mentions Supergirl/Batgirl first as the only superheroes they know since they know batman/superman have female versions but don't know anything else about superheroes the popularity of Catwoman in the 90s made her a household name as is Harley Quinn's now unlike WW who outside of vocal minority of fans on the internet isn't really popular/well known as shes only seen as some old pop culture character that most young people don't really know, hell when I used to follow comics 10 years ago her book always sold the worst, so even to most geeks she wasn't worth picking up.

Like I said, I still don't buy that.