Official TMNT 2 Trailer Discussion

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

When I talk to, like, Batman fans, for example, I never hear anyone say, "Well, I'm glad 'Batman & Robin' exists because it kept the franchise going," and not one person ever even pretends it's good, no matter how much they love Batman. They just say "Wow, what a piece of sh*t, no movie at all is better than a piece of sh*t movie, I wish they never made it." That's the right attitude.

I have a few thoughts on this. For one, there hasn't been enough consistent "quality" TMNT stuff in wide enough mediums to breed enough sound-minded fans that see the diamond through the ruff. For another, deep down there's probably a knowledge that TMNT isn't as "Big" as something like Batman, so this creates a sort of innate fear that if anything TMNT isn't out there always, no matter the quality control, it might just go away altogether. And we can't have that. And how dare you suggest otherwise, otherwise you're the enemy kind of a thing.

To me, once it officially gets to a point where MOST of the TMNT stuff ever made is Bad and only a little bit is Good - and at this rate, that day's not far off - all it means is that 1. Fewer people will get into the franchise at all because the majority of it will be off-putting and irredeemable, and 2. The actual good stuff will be harder and harder to find, buried under a mountain of crap.

I think there's good in large portions of IDW and there's humor and fun in the Nick stuff... but I kind of think we're already there.

Anyone who thinks this place is "too negative" should take note of how two folks like you and I, who disagree on pretty much everything outside of, "Green Lantern is pretty sweet", can be united by our mutual hatred of these movies and our ability to see through the haze of marketing bullsh*t. I mean, that's pretty inspiring if you think about it.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't remember disagreeing with you about a whole ton of stuff. Maybe bandanna colors or what ninja clans mean or something.

Originally Posted by Wildcat

We all like something dumb, corny or cheesy. No one's claiming PD Turtles are fantastic works of cinema.

But plenty have the wide-eyed stance of, "Oh, they've learned! They've learned! The next one will be badass! Don't you remember playing with the action figures in the bathtub???!?! Turtle vehicles! Lots of vehicles! Bebop and Rocksteady, for god's sake! It's gonna be AWESOME!!!! Think of the toooooys!!!" When these should only be serving as reasons to further treat it as thermonuclear fallout and run the f*ck in the other direction.