Young Justice animated series

[TurtleTitan97]

Apologies for the necro-posting, but I figured this would be the best place to put this.

Two clips were released 2 days ago for the upcoming Young Justice/Teen Titans Go! "crossover" "Let's Get Serious":





Not gonna lie, the first clip with Aqualad had me burst out in laughter. He pretty much summed up Go! in his monologue. I'm actually looking forward to this.

[CyberCubed]

So TTGo is already a mockery of the 2003 Teen Titans, and now they're making fun of Young Justice as well, even using all the same voice actors.

What's next, the DCAU Justice League shows up with Kevin Conroy's Batman?

[M.O.D.O.K.]

At least DC is still acknowledging the series, unlike Cartoon Network.

[ToTheNines]

Couldn't take that video seriously after they put "Welcome to Happy Harbor" in their top ten.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Come on, everyone knows that S02E10 is the best episode.

[CyberCubed]

I don't get why DC only makes shows based on Cartoon Networks whims. Can't they just make the series online on one of their sites?

It seems we only get new DC shows now based on what CN wants and they cancel everything anyway.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I don't get why DC only makes shows based on Cartoon Networks whims. Can't they just make the series online on one of their sites?

It seems we only get new DC shows now based on what CN wants and they cancel everything anyway.

It's because DC and CN answer to the same boss - Time Warner.

[sdp]

How is CN not acknowledging the series? I loved YJ, did CN treat it badly? It treated the whole DC nation badly it was really odd months before they announced a commitment to DC shows on CN and pretty much as soon as it begins it gets shafted and ignored.

But the show was also a little hard to follow not to mention the toys didn't sell so it wasn't all CN's doing. Why would they talk about a show that ended 3 or so years ago? There's no big conspiracy anti-YJ, maybe some executive changes during the time DC Nation was set to begin that didn't like what the previous people had done so they went their own route.

The show really was a convoluted mess, too many things happening and I was often lost, it was too ambitious and had too many radical changes some were great some were not so great. I loved seeing so much of the DC Universe in only 2 episodes but it also left me wanting to see more of the things we saw since it kept changing the status quo, it never made you fall in love with any concept since it took it away as soon as you like it so yeah the show was too fast for it's own good and yet the main story arc felt like it dragged on forever. It should've taken things a little slower and maybe it would've gotten more fans. I still loved the show and that it showed so many things of the DCU but like I mentioned it showed you something cool and then moved on quickly not using all the cool concepts it had. Weiseman's awesome story telling greatest enemy is Weiseman's cram everything you can. Love the guy but he helps set up the downfall of all his awesome creations.

[CyberCubed]

Young Justice only had 47 episodes. Most DCAU shows get 52-65 episodes, so it was indeed cut short.

Season 3 could have only been 13 episodes and I would have been fine with that to cover the last Darkseid plot they were going to do.

[sdp]

I forgot YJ had so many episodes, they just crammed so much stuff it feels like it was cut short, I mean I don't look at The Batman or YJ and think they got cut short and they're only 15 episodes or so more than YJ. But even if it had reached the 65 episode goal you know it wouldn't have resolved anything, this is weiseman we would already have 20 other ongoing plots elsewhere.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by sdp

I forgot YJ had so many episodes, they just crammed so much stuff it feels like it was cut short, I mean I don't look at The Batman or YJ and think they got cut short and they're only 15 episodes or so more than YJ. But even if it had reached the 65 episode goal you know it wouldn't have resolved anything, this is weiseman we would already have 20 other ongoing plots elsewhere.

If they told him from the start the season would be his final season, I think he would have wrapped up the main plots.

[sdp]

He wouldn't have, have you never read his interviews or read his "Ask Greg" section in his website? He was completely sure that YJ would last for 10 years and would continue to make new plot points in a finale in hope that the studios would realize they were wrong and give it another season. The man makes awesome stories but he's a control freak and has insane expectations, when asked about the terrible ratings of a show and the shows future he mentioned he was sure the show would turn around so he was going to continue setting up things for the next 5 years. I think that interview was for Spectacular Spider-Man which as you may remember only lasted 1 season. A hell of a season but Weiseman was so stubborn that he had already plotted out not only all of the HS seasons but began thinking about what he would do with the show during the college seasons (post Season 5). It's good to have some things planned but not at the expense of the current seasons.

[GoldMutant]

Originally Posted by sdp

I think that interview was for Spectacular Spider-Man which as you may remember only lasted 1 season. A hell of a season but Weiseman was so stubborn that he had already plotted out not only all of the HS seasons but began thinking about what he would do with the show during the college seasons (post Season 5). It's good to have some things planned but not at the expense of the current seasons.

Um, what? Spectacular lasted two seasons with 13 episodes apiece. The show was meant for 5 seasons with 13 episodes each ending at 65 episodes; only a few ideas of season 3 were told. Those being Hobgoblin and Scorpion as villains and possibly Harry's mother, anything else is practically non existent outside assumptions. They weren't going past that.

[ZariusTwo]

The new season will include LGBTQ characters

http://io9.gizmodo.com/it-sounds-lik...-op-1790910839

[ToTheNines]

I'm trying to think who was even gay in season 1 or 2...

Bart maybe?

I remember Beast Boy's mom was bi, but she's dead now.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

The new season will include LGBTQ characters

http://io9.gizmodo.com/it-sounds-lik...-op-1790910839

Once again, the media enjoys taking a quote and spinning it into something it's not. Weisman has always maintained that certain characters in certain shows of his are gay. That doesn't mean he's allowed to or perhaps even interested in showing their sexuality on-screen.

[Vegita-San]

warning, this post may trigger some people. feel free to stop reading now.

I dunno...
although if they go this route, I hope they don't retcon someone. bring on someone who was always gay, like batwoman. she's not so bad, even if a bit redundant with batgirl hanging around.

But I'd like to keep adult issues out of some shows. it's just not needed as a subplot and only slows things down. and usually enters SJW preaching territory, using a person as a ideal or an object, not treating them as a person.

I cringed at a clip i saw of Legends of Tomorrow on WB where characters actually said something like 'you know, things don't always go as well for you if you aren't straight, and white and male'....'Ok, I get it!'


And then on supergirl. You had this awesome plot of Supergirl going against some alien laser guns that had different abilities. and then this subplot on who her sister is hooking up with? we get it..it's 2016.. but i wanted to get back to the laser gun battle and supergirl finally getting her moment to shine in a show!

I think it's handled best when you don't turn it into an issue or a plot line. one gay character in that recent killing joke movie had the funniest line in the film.. 'and people think we have a tough dating life'. it wasn't a plot point. it wasn't a major thing. he was just there. i think that's the best way to add in characters for a modern era. don't advertise it..don't flaunt it. don't force it... just let ithappen naturally and people will love 'em for who they are.
I thought batwoman was kind of cool in her first DC appearance even before I learned she was gay. and learning that didn't make me like her any less, or like her anymore above anyone else.. but they didn't flaunt it by saying 'batwoman, the newest gay character in the lineup!'....

but thanks to websites who like to flaunt these things as an issue, it probably won't happen from here on out.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

warning, this post may trigger some people. feel free to stop reading now.

I dunno...
although if they go this route, I hope they don't retcon someone. bring on someone who was always gay, like batwoman. she's not so bad, even if a bit redundant with batgirl hanging around.

How is having Batgirl and Batwoman redundant, Batman already has 4 wards who had the name Robin and Superman has Supergirl and Superboy so I don't see how Batgirl and Batwoman are anymore redundant compared to the previous mentions

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

But I'd like to keep adult issues out of some shows. it's just not needed as a subplot and only slows things down. and usually enters SJW preaching territory, using a person as a ideal or an object, not treating them as a person.

What adult isssues, kid show have romances all the time so I don't see how people of the same sex having romances with with each other is any different.

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

I cringed at a clip i saw of Legends of Tomorrow on WB where characters actually said something like 'you know, things don't always go as well for you if you aren't straight, and white and male'....'Ok, I get it!'

CONTEXT HELPS, they were in the 50s at the time and yeah being in the 50s is great when you are white and male look up a history book sometime.

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

And then on supergirl. You had this awesome plot of Supergirl going against some alien laser guns that had different abilities. and then this subplot on who her sister is hooking up with? we get it..it's 2016.. but i wanted to get back to the laser gun battle and supergirl finally getting her moment to shine in a show!

Yes cause as we all know relationships aren't common in Superhero stories, its not like in the Flash where we see never see Cisco hit on anybody or Barry dating someone its always superpowers and fisticuffs.

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

I think it's handled best when you don't turn it into an issue or a plot line. one gay character in that recent killing joke movie had the funniest line in the film.. 'and people think we have a tough dating life'. it wasn't a plot point. it wasn't a major thing. he was just there. i think that's the best way to add in characters for a modern era. don't advertise it..don't flaunt it. don't force it... just let ithappen naturally and people will love 'em for who they are.
I thought batwoman was kind of cool in her first DC appearance even before I learned she was gay. and learning that didn't make me like her any less, or like her anymore above anyone else.. but they didn't flaunt it by saying 'batwoman, the newest gay character in the lineup!'....

but thanks to websites who like to flaunt these things as an issue, it probably won't happen from here on out.

Okay I do agree that people should't flaunt these things(unless its a romance story) but its still kind of new for cartoons to have LGBT characters in them espically superhero cartoons so I think this whole "oh look how this cartoon has LGBT characters" will dial down

[plastroncafe]

Websites do it because it triggers folks like you.
Because even bad press is still good press, and they know they can count on the frothing fanboy masses to be up in arms about a property they love choosing to cater to a wider audience.

They're not doing it for folks like me, who've had an entire lifetime's worth of experience weaving queer-baiting subtext into supertext.

We are the ones who invented fanfiction, after all.

Regardless, this is a show about teenagers that has already had at least one plotline involving a heterosexual couple. So the it's a little late to be requesting that particular barn door be closed, the horse is long gone.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

How is having Batgirl and Batwoman redundant, Batman already has 4 wards who had the name Robin and Superman has Supergirl and Superboy so I don't see how Batgirl and Batwoman are anymore redundant compared to the previous mentions





CONTEXT HELPS, they were in the 50s at the time and yeah being in the 50s is great when you are white and male look up a history book sometime.




Yes cause as we all know relationships aren't common in Superhero stories, its not like in the Flash where we see never see Cisco hit on anybody or Barry dating someone its always superpowers and fisticuffs.



Okay I do agree that people should't flaunt these things(unless its a romance story) but its still kind of new for cartoons to have LGBT characters in them espically superhero cartoons so I think this whole "oh look how this cartoon has LGBT characters" will dial down

First one..

there was either a movie or an episode where it was a 'family of bat people'. i just found all the extra characters redundant. i think there was one called 'batwing' and a robot batman or something. sometimes adding on new stuff kind of deludes the stuff that is already there.


re context.

OK then. in that case, yes. it fits. i thought they where in a bar in modern times and and it's like 'come on...'...

re relationships
I'm one of those people who thinks even STRAIGHT romances are boring and tiresome and slow things down, so i'd rather not see those on screen either.. i could care less about iris and flash. i'd rather see him battling the giant shark monster than buying an apartment for someone he keeps on erasing every time he makes some progress with their relationship.

every romance angle in dragronball z slows the action down and is so odd it feels forced. get rid of it and just focus on the characters and action. ugh.


I agree that in time it'll even itself out and people won't have a problem with it. I don't have a problem with it now. But I DO have a problem with how it sometimes feels forced into stuff just to appear 'progressive'. ret conning all these characters to be gay, yet refusing to create NEW characters who are gay for starters. it just shows they have no faith in those characters taking off. hell, even having side characters that are original in the hopes they take off i don't think they've done. it's easier to make lois gay than create a new friend.

and then you have all these websites that turn it into an issue and it just comes off wrong. there are ways to do it and ways to do it right.

i hope this is one of those ways.