Batman V. Superman: Dawn Of Justice

[Leo656]

The plan is to do Brainiac in the next one, they just have to get the other stuff done first.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm really wondering who the Big Bad in this is. It appears Lex does get in the Super Lex Suit at some point (if the toys are any indication), but I suspect that's not enough to drag out Wonder Woman and Aquaman and everybody. I've heard Doomsday, which was seemingly debunked (thankfully... why bring in endgame villains now?), and Bizarro.... which makes sense given Zod's body and what Lex might try to do to it. But I'm not sure.

What seems stupid to me is all the hubbub about Darkseid in Justice League. Why would you bring him in right off the bat? Where the hell do you go after you do Darkseid, exactly?

[Leo656]

I can say with almost definitive certainty that there is no Luthor Battle Suit scene, just as there was no "Luthor Wearing Armor Made of Kryptonite" scene in "Superman Returns". Sometimes toys are just toys. It's a way to get a Lex Luthor figure made since "Guy In Business Casual Attire" makes for a boring toy.

I do not believe the rumors about Doomsday's abscence. I think that was a fake-out; the guy who said Doomsday wasn't in it had his entire social media account taken down that same day. The whole thing just seemed weird. Too much like "Khan is NOT in 'Into Darkness', we swear!" I don't know why. It could be Bizarro, and that would also make a lot of sense to the basic plot of the movie, but for some reason I don't quite buy it. I still think Doomsday's a lock, and they just want to keep a tight lid on things. Mystery For Mystery's Sake. Dumb, but that's the biz.

I hear what people are saying about "Why are they doing the Big Villains like Doomsday and Darkseid now?!" But here's the thing: They're not going to be making 10 or 20 JLA movies over the next 25 years. They're not going to be making 6 or 7 Superman or Batman movies. Not in the same universe. It's very, very clear that this version of the DCU is going to be focused only on the big, iconic parts. The big stories. The big characters. The Big Moments. The Iconic Stuff. "Ultimate DC". "All Killer/No Filler". Call it what you will.

Put simply, they're not going to waste a $300 million dollar budget on a JLA movie with someone like Starbreaker or Prometheus as the villain, just to "save the Big Guys like Darkseid for later." You don't always GET a "later". Green Lantern saved all of its best material for the sequel that's never getting made (although "GL Corps" might end up fixing all of that in a roundabout way); that's a good example of why there is NO good reason to wait for a later movie, when you have bad guys like Doomsday, Brainiac, and Darkseid that A. Hollywood has been dying to adapt for decades while waiting for effects technology to catch up, B. Have never been done in a movie before, and C. Are far and away the most popular "Dream Picks" for any serious comic book fan. I mean, as far as Doomsday goes, they've been trying to do that in some fashion since 1996. Just f*cking do it already. It can't be any worse than Smallville. It can't. It's mathematically impossible.

As for Darkseid and JLA: Let's just pretend, for a second, that someone gives you half a billion dollars to do a JLA movie, and you can pick your own villain, BUT, you might only get to make one movie, ever, so you need to really make it count the first time you swing... you pick Darkseid. That's it, you just pick Darkseid. You don't say, "Well, let's have them fight Starro this time, and then Darkseid six years and three movies from now." That's nuts. People are already complaining of comic book movie overkill; in 6 years it might be "too late". So with all this juicy meat just simmering in the marinade, why the f*ck should we fill up on bread?

Because truth is, you can still do a LOT of things after that. You could do Earth-2/Crime Syndicate of Amerika. With a few films' worth of set-up you can do Crisis on goddamn Infinite Earths, if you wanted to do a really smushed-down version of it like Marvel's doing with Civil War. You could even bring Darkseid back and do something similar to Final Crisis, since Hollywood is all about the rematch. Star Wars is about to rehash the Death Star again, and that movie's going to make more money than anyone even has. You can do a million things. "Where do they go next?" is a non-existent problem. "They can go anywhere, it's fake."

That's what's exciting, to me. The fact that they're going right for "The Big Stuff" with these DCU films means that nothing is off the table. You're taking a movie with Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and that movie is your starting point. Things only get bigger from that point? Well damn, that's a trip I want to take right now. I don't want a slow build over ten movies to finally see a villain worth fighting. I want to see the JLA fighting Para-Demons while Superman and Darkseid punch each other across the Multiverse, and I want it right the f*ck goddamn now.

And I really don't see why anyone wouldn't. They're dead inside, is what it is. They're dead inside.

[Autbot_Benz]

[Leo656]

That... was the goddamn greatest thing I have ever seen in my life. I watched Jimmy goddamn Kimmel just to see this thing!

Also... c'mon... am I always right about stuff or what? I don't know where that leaked script summary came from originally but holy sh*t am I glad I've been watching every scrap of news on this thing like a hawk, because if I hadn't been online on that specific day at that specific time, I would have missed it before it got nuked by WB. It's all true. So rad. I already "knew" what would be in the movie... but seeing it come to life... oh man. It only makes me more excited. Knowing what's to come, things we still haven't seen that are gonna look SO HUGE on the big screen... oh, man.

And c'mon. "...She with you?"
"...I thought she was with you..." Come ON. Gold Star A+ Perfect 10 Smiley Face.

March 25 needs to be tomorrow.

[ToTheNines]

Lex is going to make me barf. Other than that, looking cool.

[sdp]

I found this trailer to be pretty lame; it wasn't exciting and made the movie sound lame. I think the Civil War trailer was better and you guys have seen how much I've criticized Marvel lately. Only thing I liked from the trailer was Luthor, wish he didn't have hair though.

[plastroncafe]

...she's pretty.

[TurtleTitan97]

I just can't buy the guy as Lex Luthor.

[NinjaPug]

Trailer didn't do much for me outside of WW and Doomsday. This version of Lex is terrible.

[Autbot_Benz]

I think it looks awesome. Affleck's bat voice is so much better than Bale's

[MikeandRaph87]

To sum it up....destruction set off by Superman vs General Zod creates misunderstanding of Superman's intentions and Lex sets Batman against him. Then Batman realized the truth of the situation so Lex revives Zod as Doomesday. Wonder Woman arrives to help and the JLA is formed with defeating Doomesday as it's inaugural mission.

[sdp]

Based on the trailers he's already better than any movie Luthor. This movie feels like an animated DC movie based on the trailer, that's the tone I got from it. And this trailer made me feel like I already know how the movie is going to go. They should've kept the BvS angle until closer to release date.

[TigerClaw]

New trailer looks good, Can't wait to see the 3 fighting Doomsday.

[sdp]

The trailer felt like it'll play similar to the first Avengers movie, some may see that as a plus but not for me, the jokes in the trailer were Batman and Robin level of bad to me, couldn't take it seriously, it felt as bad as the Marvel-esque jokes from the Green Lantern movie, I thought they had learned from that. Knowing how they team up and meet WW already, ugh what a bad taste in my mouth, and I was super excited. I'll still see it Day 1 and I'm sure it won't be bad but this trailer was just awful. And with this I think I'm done complaining for a while.

[Autbot_Benz]

Why can't DC give us a serious Lex Luthor. Why do we get over the top zany goofy Lex Luthors. I want a live action version of Clancy Brown's JLA Lex from the Cartoons.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by sdp

I found this trailer to be pretty lame; it wasn't exciting and made the movie sound lame. I think the Civil War trailer was better and you guys have seen how much I've criticized Marvel lately. Only thing I liked from the trailer was Luthor, wish he didn't have hair though.

You are f*cking high. As for the hair, I'unno what's going to happen but they've made no secret that he's gonna be bald by the end of the movie. They kind of made a big deal about it.

After watching it a few times I realized that Eisenberg is playing Lex the same way John Shea did on Lois & Clark - which was really good - the only problem is the squeaky voice. Not a big fan of the squeaky voice. But I get the feeling that this Lex is a rather reptilian sort of fellow, with a totally fake persona he puts on for the public, and the voice is a part of that. You notice that he totally abandons it during "darker" moments. He keeps switching between this fake, "goofy nice guy" persona and some kind of lizard-person depending on what scene he's in. His delivery of "If man won't kill god... the Devil will do it!" is pretty good. That is some choice Lex dialog right there. I think we have a lot more yet to learn about this guy, frankly.

Actually, everyone's dialog is really, really good. As far as I can tell, there's going to be plenty of humor in the film, thankfully, albeit much of it very subtle but well-placed. "You should not pick a fight with this person!" I almost fell over, swear to God. And that Clark and Bruce scene is epic. I swear, when they look at each other after Bruce makes that "freaks dressed like clowns" crack.. I swear, in that moment, they already know who each other is. You can just tell. Clark's annoyed squint... Bruce's little smirk... I'm positive that they already know right there. And that's awesome. These characters are Characters. I love it.

I'm honestly shocked how much they showed, for sure. I knew in my gut we were getting Doomsday but I thought we wouldn't see him this soon, if at all. But I feel like they had no real choice. They've played it close to the vest for a long time and public opinion has been mixed. They had to get a few minutes of attention after the Civil War trailer dropped. They needed to answer a lot of lingering questions to assuage people's fears.

I thought Doomsday would be a little bigger. That's all I can say "negative". The cinematography is great; the shots are comic book pages come to life, even the way the shots of "talking heads" are framed. I love that kind of stuff; I mean it's not something everyone would notice, but it's nice. They didn't frame it like a movie, they framed it like a comic book. Maybe that's not everyone's taste. I love it. That shot of the Trinity at the very end was absolutely Golden. That's a center-fold double-splash right there. That's a Big Moment, and it looks like a Big Moment. I've wanted to see Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman in a movie since I was 3 years old. And I never thought it would be this good or this Big.

I've been following the Superman and Batman movie projects like a fanatic since I was 10. Every time they said they were gonna do a Batman/Superman movie, or a JLA movie, or a movie with Doomsday, I'd get my hands on a plot synopsis, or an outline, or a leaked script, and it was like, "You know what? They can't do it. I don't want them to do it. Every time they try they get stupid and f*ck it up. They're gonna f*ck it up. I don't want them to f*ck it up." Every attempt they've ever tried to get off the ground for something like this, from 1992 through 2007, has been a complete disaster that deserved to die on the vine. Every script was awful. Every idea was contrived. They were always gonna f*ck it up.

And somehow, when they finally managed to do it... they didn't f*ck it up. I can't even begin to imagine how, but they actually got it right. Something so big, so complicated and delicate, with so many pieces spinning at once, and they managed to make it work. It's like they actually went back over every stupid "re-imagining" they ever tried over the last 20 years decided they were over-thinking it, and said, "Y'know... maybe we should just kinda copy the comic books. I mean what's the worst that could happen? It's certainly never been tried before!"

Have Mercy.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

...she's pretty.

Yes, yes she is.

Doomsday looks like garbage, but Gadot is yummy.

[plastroncafe]

He just kind of looks like...a golem.

[Leo656]

I wouldn't go that far - my wife immediately said he looked like an Orc - but my dude should be like 8 feet tall. I think he actually undergoes a secondary or even third mutation at some point during the fight though. I've heard he starts to change and adapt during the fight, like he does in the books. He's supposed to be programmed to regenerate, adapt to attacks, and at first is semi-remote-controlled via LexCorp military technology to cause massive collateral damage. I think what we saw was like a "Larval Stage" Doomsday, straight outta the pod. At first I was like, "Eh, Kinda small," then I remembered what I read about stuff that happens during the fight and was like, "Wait, duh." I'm not sure if it's just that he grows or gets more bones or both of those or what. I know "stuff happens" but what I saw was not very specific about that. I can tell ya how the Big Fight ends but that's about all I got.