fox's fantastic four reboot

[ObiWanFan4life]

How long until anyone even considers making another Fantastic Four film after this disaster?

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

It must pain him to see his characters defiled in such a terrible way...

I'm sure getting cameos in movies of characters he didn't create eases the pain for him.

[chrisdude]

Stan Lee doesn't care about this stuff. His "involvement" always seems superficial, and he's shown several times that he doesn't follow these movies or comics. They just put him on a plane and tell him what to say, then he praises it all like Eastman.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I saw it once but I liked it better than the first one. Let's rap about it. I can't remember why, but I remember thinking the second one was miles ahead of the first, which I hated. I don't think either one is worth a piss but I'm sure I had reasons for that. Try and jog my memory, huh? What bugged you about it?

• The BS wedding drama
• Sue Storm being nothing but a girl who wants to get married instead of a full-fledged scientist and member of the team
• Silver Surfer's stomach television
• Johnny Storm switching powers with everyone because reasons
• Doom getting cured of his metal because same reasons
• Doom grabbing the surfboard because... reasons?
• Doom apparently not giving a sh!t his planet is going to be destroyed
  
• And last, but not least and for all you diehard fans, Galactus being a cloud

I will say, the only parts of the movie I genuinely ENJOYED were the interactions between Ben and Johnny. Those were fun.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I may need to rewatch it in order to comment properly, but there were some things abou FF2 that I liked. The wedding itself was a neat addition, especially with Stan's cameo as himself getting booted. Hilarious! Johnny and Ben were gold together, as they are in the comics. This was the Johnny I wanted to see in the new reboot, but alas all for naught.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

I may need to rewatch it in order to comment properly, but there were some things abou FF2 that I liked. The wedding itself was a neat addition, especially with Stan's cameo as himself getting booted. Hilarious! Johnny and Ben were gold together, as they are in the comics. This was the Johnny I wanted to see in the new reboot, but alas all for naught.

The wedding would have been neat if it wasn't done so cheesily. Wedding drama, oh noes, all that.

Stan Lee's cameo was amazing, though. Best cameo ever.

[Leo656]

You're probably right, I haven't seen that movie in like, 8 years? When was it in theaters? I was probably just in a better mood the day I saw 2 than the first one. Because remembering what you've described, I remember hating that stuff too. I think maybe the first one just lowered the bar so low for big-budget super-hero flicks, maybe I was just happy that 2 didn't so much sink lower as stay in the same sh*tty place.

I don't know if you can "do" F4 as a movie but I know they haven't done it right so far. I kinda think since it's so goofy and cheesy, you almost have to be over-the-top goofy and cheesy with it to make it work. Kinda like "Speed Racer", people sometimes hate that movie but you could ONLY make that movie in the way in which they did or else it wouldn't work at all. I don't think F4 works "played straight", I mean this new one looks super-serious and it was a disaster. The people who did the first two tried to be goofy but just... I don't know, it didn't work.

I kinda feel like F4 deserves a good movie but I'm not sure how you'd do that.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Leo656

You're probably right, I haven't seen that movie in like, 8 years? When was it in theaters? I was probably just in a better mood the day I saw 2 than the first one. Because remembering what you've described, I remember hating that stuff too. I think maybe the first one just lowered the bar so low for big-budget super-hero flicks, maybe I was just happy that 2 didn't so much sink lower as stay in the same sh*tty place.

I don't know if you can "do" F4 as a movie but I know they haven't done it right so far. I kinda think since it's so goofy and cheesy, you almost have to be over-the-top goofy and cheesy with it to make it work. Kinda like "Speed Racer", people sometimes hate that movie but you could ONLY make that movie in the way in which they did or else it wouldn't work at all. I don't think F4 works "played straight", I mean this new one looks super-serious and it was a disaster. The people who did the first two tried to be goofy but just... I don't know, it didn't work.

I kinda feel like F4 deserves a good movie but I'm not sure how you'd do that.

I think the first FF movie (before Silver Surfer) was actually pretty close. Just give Sue more independence and brains, and make Doom a fvcking Latverian dictator like he's supposed to be. But in terms of tone, it's no more cheesy than I perceive the FF themselves to be.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

CKD, you got it pretty much on the nose. The first one worked pretty well overall, it just suffered from villain short-change. Or to put it another way, they decided Doom needed a background overhaul. For "realistic" purposes. Because everyone knows there's no such place as Latvaria, of course. And it kind of ruined him as a villain. Though I admit he was far better than the "new" Doom.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

CKD, you got it pretty much on the nose. The first one worked pretty well overall, it just suffered from villain short-change. Or to put it another way, they decided Doom needed a background overhaul. For "realistic" purposes. Because everyone knows there's no such place as Latvaria, of course. And it kind of ruined him as a villain. Though I admit he was far better than the "new" Doom.

Absolutely. At least Doom was Doom, just castrated in terms of scope, scale, and badassery. The Fant4stic Doom was just plain WTF.

I'm trying to find my receipt so I can take my copy of FF2:RotSS back to the store and get my $2 back.

[Candy Kappa]

The best FF movie remains to be The Incredibles, second best is the Corman flick. It's fascinating to see how difficult it is for filmmakers to do a decent Doctor Doom, and then Avengers Assemble have a episode dealing with Doom being a dictator with diplomatic immunity speaking to the UN.

[Leo656]

But... but in-canon Sue Storm is an idiot!

Anyways, the first F4 tried way too hard to be funny and wasn't, to me. Not like the second one was funny either. But the "jokes" just kept falling flat. Like, I hate when movie dialog sounds SO MUCH like movie dialog, y'know? I'unno, I didn't laugh and I didn't like it.

[JakeSully]

I thought 2005 F4 was at least better than the new movie.

[NinjaPug]

Just watched the new Fantastic Four movie. I went in thinking that there is no way this is as bad as people have said and that everyone was just ******** on it because they wanted Marvel to get the movie rights back. Nope. First off its obvious they rushed this thing together so they didn't lose the rights but there is so much wrong with it.

- The 4 aren't even on screen together in any form until an hour and 20 minutes into it (the movie is only 1 hr and 30 minutes long)
- I didn't think it was possible to have a version of Doom worse than the 05/07 movies. Wrong again.
- I've never seen a more generic 3rd act in a movie before

I don't get why Josh Trank is getting all the blame for this one. Simon Kinberg (the same writer who ****ed up the Dark Phoenix saga in X3 and turned the greatest X-Men story (DOFP) into an underwhelming movie) deserves just as much hate. The script and dialogue are a mess.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

Just watched the new Fantastic Four movie. I went in thinking that there is no way this is as bad as people have said and that everyone was just ******** on it because they wanted Marvel to get the movie rights back. Nope. First off its obvious they rushed this thing together so they didn't lose the rights but there is so much wrong with it.

- The 4 aren't even on screen together in any form until an hour and 20 minutes into it (the movie is only 1 hr and 30 minutes long)
- I didn't think it was possible to have a version of Doom worse than the 05/07 movies. Wrong again.
- I've never seen a more generic 3rd act in a movie before

I don't get why Josh Trank is getting all the blame for this one. Simon Kinberg (the same writer who ****ed up the Dark Phoenix saga in X3 and turned the greatest X-Men story (DOFP) into an underwhelming movie) deserves just as much hate. The script and dialogue are a mess.

You suffered needlessly, my friend.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Indeed. What has been seen, cannot be unseen. My condolences.

[Foombamaroom]

I hope Kinberg's underwhelming writing doesn't **** up Apocalypse.

The X-Men movies have always been pretty underwhelming, actually.

But Fantastic Four? I try to forget about this movie every day.

Hey, kids, which would you rather watch? Batman and Robin or Fantastic Four (2015)? Have fun.

[MikeandRaph87]

You all should have waited for the Rifftrax version. Its bound to happen.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by Foombamaroom

I hope Kinberg's underwhelming writing doesn't **** up Apocalypse.

The X-Men movies have always been pretty underwhelming, actually.

But Fantastic Four? I try to forget about this movie every day.

Hey, kids, which would you rather watch? Batman and Robin or Fantastic Four (2015)? Have fun.

That's not even a contest. Batman & Robin, hands-down. At least it was entertaining, Bat-nipples and all!

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

That's not even a contest. Batman & Robin, hands-down. At least it was entertaining, Bat-nipples and all!

I actually like that movie. Why? Yes, its stupid, but it is fun. I am a fan of Mr. Freeze and Robin so seeing them in a film its hard to hate on it. I could go on and go about how Barbara Gordon/ Batgirl did not really appear, but I will spare you.