Official TMNT 2 Trailer Discussion

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Bry

Man, this is how out-of-step I am here, I guess. I can't fall over backwards to get excited for something that everyone seems to admit will have a bad script/story and weak characters. I know that's how low the expectations are, but that doesn't mean everyone has to lower their standards to meet them.

Maybe someone will deliver an actually-good TMNT movie in 10 years or so. I'll be there if they do. As for this, though -- once bitten, twice shy.

Don't worry, Bry. I'm fine if it's just you and me abstaining. You're good company. And I don't really see anything worth getting excited over, either. Marginal improvements over the first one? Yippee. I'm thrilled. Same emphasis on "Kaboom!" (and what does "Kaboom" have to do with TMNT in the first place?), same sh*tty CGI, same cartoon caricatures instead of "characters".... it's not TMNT to me. Just a big dumb action movie with a TMNT veneer.

It's okay, you and I can start a club. I vote we call it the "We Have Higher Standards For Movies Than We Did When We Were 8 Years Old, And That Should Be Okay" Club.

But yeah I'mma pass. It's every single thing I was expecting. Newp.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by Matt2310

would technically make new shredder and sacks brothers haha

Plus, Eric Sachs and Oroku Saki. Sounds odd to me, given that Sachs was a whitewashing of Saki's name.

[MrTMNT2012]

Originally Posted by Powder

It would, & my post explains why. You can't just have a radical shift in tone like that.

Again, Secret of the Ooze did. I think you're getting 'scale' and 'tone' mixed up. Plus, I was talking about the franchise in general. Not just the confines of the first film. You have endless amount of source material, even if it did deviate from the tone established in the first film, which guess what, was exactly what happened with the original comics that the first film tried so hard to emulate anyway...

[Powder]

Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

Again, Secret of the Ooze did. I think you're getting 'scale' and 'tone' mixed up. Plus, I was talking about the franchise in general. Not just the confines of the first film. You have endless amount of source material, even if it did deviate from the tone established in the first film, which guess what, was exactly what happened with the original comics that the first film tried so hard to emulate anyway...

Semantics. Point is, a trailer/movie like this would be an ill fit to follow that first Henson movie. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't understand that film too well. Or the TMNT, maybe...

[THGhost]

Well, it's late here in the UK. I haven't posted here that often lately but this trailer really got me back into the swing of things. It's been fun. I will leave you all to your theories and whatnot and go get some sleep. Peace out, Turtles.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Bry

Exactly. You're giving us the splash of cold water we need right now, Galactus.

This is still built on the garbage foundation of the first movie, and with all of the characters and "toyetic" stuff crammed in, what are the odds that it's going to deliver an actual decent story? If all you're looking for is Fred Wolf cartoon fan-service and dumb/loud action CGI spectacle, then sure, I'm sure this will deliver what you want. But if you were disappointed in the last movie on a story level, there's really nothing here to suggest that this will be any better.

What can I say. Cynicism just come naturally to me.

Well, yeah, it matters a lot. Because that completely changes who the character is. Just because he puts on a hockey mask doesn't mean it's the same end result -- it just meant it looks like it on the surface.

Not that Casey really needed an origin but if they really wanted one they had a golden opportunity here to prove they knew more about the franchise than just skimming through episodes of the Fred Wolf show.

I'm also not sold on the whole hockey theme. Casey is sports themed, sure he uses hockey gear but he also uses baseball bats, golf clubs anything he can get his hands on. Skating in battle and using pucks as projectiles is weird theme, I guess we should be thankful he wasn't bitten be a radioactive hockey player or something.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

Nope. Never said it had a bad script or weak characters. Incredibly presumptuous for anyone to make that claim seeing how this is just a 2-minute teaser trailer.

Not presumptuous at all. It's written by the same people as the first movie, and that had one of the worst scripts I've ever seen produced. The trailer itself is full of lousy dialogue and lame jokes, much like last time. As far as assumptions go, it's kind of a safe one!

Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

Yep. Expectations are so low that I'm just not expecting an Oscar-winning motion picture about 4 anthropomorphic mutated teenage turtles that were trained ninjutsu by a rat. You are right about that...

Gettin' a little Crisler-y in here already.

Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

What I am expecting is the most fun movie experience I'll have in 2016 considering I love these characters from the first film because of how well-written and distinct they were and they seem to be amping it up even further.

Hey, I'm happy to agree to disagree. But if you think the characters were "well-written" in the last movie, then I think we've got very different ideas about good writing.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Skating in battle and using pucks as projectiles is weird theme, I guess we should be thankful he wasn't bitten be a radioactive hockey player or something.

I'm not really a fan of that either, but to be fair, the Nick series has been doing that since Casey debuted. It's possible they took inspiration from that. It works a hell of a lot better in a cartoon, though. Especially given that version of the character is a goofy teenager who probably puts a bit more thought into his swagger/appearance than others, hence that sort of flashy technique.

[Leo656]

I don't really like it in the Nick show either. I'unno.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Hey! Maybe Platinum Dunes will reward us loyal fans and actually name drop OROKU SAKI!

Or, maybe, they'll just call the Japanese guy Shredder san NotWhite. 'Cause kids are dumb, right? They don't care who he is as long as he's wearing spiky blades all over?

On a different note, are all of you simply theorizing Rock Soldiers are involved or do you have any screenshots?

[MrTMNT2012]

Originally Posted by Bry

Not presumptuous at all. It's written by the same people as the first movie, and that had one of the worst scripts I've ever seen produced. The trailer itself is full of lousy dialogue and lame jokes, much like last time. As far as assumptions go, it's kind of a safe one!

Hey, I'm happy to agree to disagree. But if you think the characters were "well-written" in the last movie, then I think we've got very different ideas about good writing.

By all definition, that is presumptuous.

To your second point; no sh!t? As does everyone. It's just that the majority were in favour of the Turtles' actual characterisation last time around. Considering we have physical proof of a more accurate portrayal of the source material in this trailer, we can assume they will put more effort into the writing of those characters the 2nd time around.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

On a different note, are all of you simply theorizing Rock Soldiers are involved or do you have any screenshots?

Just a guess given the last time we saw a portal open with things flying out of it, that's what they were.

But I guess it's just as possible that Shredder has resources via Krang, so perhaps they're merely being piloted by his ninja.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Hey! Maybe Platinum Dunes will reward us loyal fans and actually name drop OROKU SAKI!

Or, maybe, they'll just call the Japanese guy Shredder san NotWhite. 'Cause kids are dumb, right? They don't care who he is as long as he's wearing spiky blades all over?

On a different note, are all of you simply theorizing Rock Soldiers are involved or do you have any screenshots?

I think they did call him Oroku Saki in the first film.

[TigerClaw]

I remember a few months back when the sequel was being filmed, That I wanted to see scenes of Rocksteady ramming into things, and causing some destruction.

And sure enough, We see him do that in this trailer.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Don't worry, Bry. I'm fine if it's just you and me abstaining. You're good company. And I don't really see anything worth getting excited over, either. Marginal improvements over the first one? Yippee. I'm thrilled. Same emphasis on "Kaboom!" (and what does "Kaboom" have to do with TMNT in the first place?), same sh*tty CGI, same cartoon caricatures instead of "characters".... it's not TMNT to me. Just a big dumb action movie with a TMNT veneer.

It's okay, you and I can start a club. I vote we call it the "We Have Higher Standards For Movies Than We Did When We Were 8 Years Old, And That Should Be Okay" Club.

But yeah I'mma pass. It's every single thing I was expecting. Newp.

"Yeah, well... I'm gonna make my own TMNT movie! With blackjack! And hookers! In fact... forget the movie!"

Hey, I'm glad we see eye-to-eye. Y'know, again.

To each their own. If people are excited for this, fine, by all means, don't let me stop you. But it'll really suck if everyone gets sucked in by some clips of CGI Bebop and Rocksteady, toss Platinum Dunes more of their hard-earned money (and get a third one green-lit), and then wind up hating it just as much as the first one. Nobody wants a good TMNT movie as much as I do, but I think we've all got plenty of reasons to doubt this one, at least at this point.

Originally Posted by Powder

I'm not really a fan of that either, but to be fair, the Nick series has been doing that since Casey debuted. It's possible they took inspiration from that. It works a hell of a lot better in a cartoon, though. Especially given that version of the character is a goofy teenager who probably puts a bit more thought into his swagger/appearance than others, hence that sort of flashy technique.

Originally Posted by Leo656

I don't really like it in the Nick show either. I'unno.

I prefer my Casey as gritty and street-level as possible. Literally a nutjob who fights crime with cheap sports equipment because he thinks that's what he has to do. The gimmicky stuff works a lot better for the Nick version of the character for the reasons Powder gave, but that's far from my ideal.

And this version seems even further from my ideal, so, hey, no thanks, movie!

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

http://i.imgur.com/rxEU1Ks.gif

I get that the CGI isn't finished yet, but... man, Gorilla Grodd looks better than this on a CW show.

[sdp]

I'm glad the general opinion everywhere seems positive. I enjoyed the first movie, it had tons of flaws but it got the characters right and was fun because of that and thought it could be fixed in a sequel. These aren't the brooding turtles we wanted but they're a wacky out there turtle verse and this looks like it'll be a fun ride to watch,


I actually made a thread 5 years ago about how a movie series based on the OT and having fun with all the wacky concepts could be a fun movie and the opinions were mostly negative, here is the thread if anyone wants to check it out:
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=30071

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

I remember a few months back when the sequel was being filmed, That I wanted to see scenes of Rocksteady ramming into things, and causing some destruction.

And sure enough, We see him do that in this trailer.

http://i.imgur.com/rxEU1Ks.gif

This almost seems out of the newer comics

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Bry

"Yeah, well... I'm gonna make my own TMNT movie! With blackjack! And hookers! In fact... forget the movie!"

Hey, I'm glad we see eye-to-eye. Y'know, again.

To each their own. If people are excited for this, fine, by all means, don't let me stop you. But it'll really suck if everyone gets sucked in by some clips of CGI Bebop and Rocksteady, toss Platinum Dunes more of their hard-earned money (and get a third one green-lit), and then wind up hating it just as much as the first one. Nobody wants a good TMNT movie as much as I do, but I think we've all got plenty of reasons to doubt this one, at least at this point.

I prefer my Casey as gritty and street-level as possible. Literally a nutjob who fights crime with cheap sports equipment because he thinks that's what he has to do. The gimmicky stuff works a lot better for the Nick version of the character for the reasons Powder gave, but that's far from my ideal.

And this version seems even further from my ideal, so, hey, no thanks, movie!

That won't happen. They'll like it BECAUSE they paid to see it, like last time. People have a much greater emotional reason to like something if they've already paid for the privilege. Nobody ever wants to admit they wasted money. It'll be just like last time, everyone had their dukes up, everyone hated it, then they got razzle-dazzled with some crappy CGI and a few bad "jokes", and they did a complete 180 on the way out the door of the theater. I expect no less at this point.

And on the subject of CGI... I don't care what anyone says, every single time they cut to a wide-open shot of Rocksteady, that was some Xbox 360 sh*t. I mean that's just plain bad-looking. Fake as all hell. Maybe most people don't care because they just want Bebop and Rocksteady in a movie, and that's fine, but I'd personally prefer they not look like someone just cut them out of a video game and dropped them into a live-action movie.

Too much to ask, I know. "Just be happy they're doing it at all!" Ehhhh.

[TigerClaw]

Looks like the trailer is officially out, Its posted on the official TMNT movie youtube with the green band on top.

[Foombamaroom]

Originally Posted by Leo656

That won't happen. They'll like it BECAUSE they paid to see it, like last time. People have a much greater emotional reason to like something if they've already paid for the privilege. Nobody ever wants to admit they wasted money. It'll be just like last time, everyone had their dukes up, everyone hated it, then they got razzle-dazzled with some crappy CGI and a few bad "jokes", and they did a complete 180 on the way out the door of the theater. I expect no less at this point.

And on the subject of CGI... I don't care what anyone says, every single time they cut to a wide-open shot of Rocksteady, that was some Xbox 360 sh*t. I mean that's just plain bad-looking. Fake as all hell. Maybe most people don't care because they just want Bebop and Rocksteady in a movie, and that's fine, but I'd personally prefer they not look like someone just cut them out of a video game and dropped them into a live-action movie.

Too much to ask, I know. "Just be happy they're doing it at all!" Ehhhh.

Okay, I'm glad it's not me. I'm still seeing this movie either way, since it bears the name TMNT I have an obligation to do so, but god, the CGI doesn't look great. At least the trailers they dropped for the first movies had solid CGI. The Turtles weren't so bad, but god, Bebop and Rocksteady didn't have any gravity or weight to them.

It looks fun, but it doesn't look good. This is exactly like the trailer for the first movie, though: heavy focus on what the 'good' of this movie is. It's amazing how they focused so much on the Turtles in this movie, but in actuality, the movie will focus on April more than anyone. However, it does seem like there are a lot more action sequences in this one, so that means more Turtles. And this one looks longer than 90 minutes, probably like 110.