Official TMNT 2 Trailer Discussion - Page 47

*sdp* · 12-28-2015, 07:02 PM

Leo, I think you're again in the minority that want everything spoiled, I mean more power to you but most people prefer to be surprised, I don't know where you get that idea from, look at all the praise the new Star Wars movie got because they spoiled nothing in the trailers.

Now I understand why movies spoil their own movies and its to get people to go, if they didn't see X in the trailer maybe they wouldn't have gone to go see it or at least that's the argument marketing people make but that doesn't mean people don't like to be surprised. Rocksteady/Beebop was something too big and it was going to be "spoiled" no matter what, it's like the Indominus Rex in Jurassic World, even though he leaked, he was what was going to be sold in the movie so of course they had to show most of him in trailers/posters.

~~Commenter 42~~ · 12-28-2015, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sdp

Leo, I think you're again in the minority that want everything spoiled, I mean more power to you but most people prefer to be surprised, I don't know where you get that idea from, look at all the praise the new Star Wars movie got because they spoiled nothing in the trailers.

I managed to avoid any SWTFA spoilers until I saw the movie, and I'm glad I did. It was pretty damned difficult, given the amount of advertising, but so worth it to not have seen the entire film beforehand.

~~Leo656~~ · 12-28-2015, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sdp

Leo, I think you're again in the minority that want everything spoiled, I mean more power to you but most people prefer to be surprised, I don't know where you get that idea from, look at all the praise the new Star Wars movie got because they spoiled nothing in the trailers.

Again, incorrect. I'm not the guy who saves links to every single article I ever read, so someone else is going to have to do the searching. However, I've read enough articles over the years about research into the "spoiler/surprise phenomenon" to know that, statistically, regardless of what people say they like (this seems to be the part people are getting hung up on), people who receive more spoilers have higher opinions of the movies they watch and are generally less negative and critical, while people who avoid spoilers like some kind of disease are far more likely to nitpick and over-analyze.

No I'm not going to waste all night "proving" it by digging up articles, the first of which I had to have read at least 5 years ago. I don't have time and I ain't that interested. Suffice to say it was far from the last one I've seen and that people do study this kind of thing and report on their findings, and the results have proven to be repeatable. It's not just movies, the same studies dig into holiday gift-giving and other stuff like that. Statistically speaking, people say they want to be surprised but in truth are usually let down by them. I didn't make it up, guy, I never do.

Truth is people in general simply don't know themselves very well, so they don't even notice when their self-reported behavior doesn't match how they actually act. I'm the "minority" only in that I notice the discrepancy and point it out.

Also, of course there's exceptions, which is why general statements are general.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 12-28-2015, 10:07 PM

What Leo says is true for me; until I trust a creative team (which only comes after proven successes), I prefer to spoil a certain portion of a movie's production (or plot, if my trust is not quickly won) before paying money. I wanna know that my money is going to buy quality entertainment.

I was a total skeptic over Batman V Superman, as I had mixed feelings over "Man of Steel", I'm NOT a fan of Frank Miller, and I loved The Dark Knight Trilogy.

But in the couple of years we've been waiting, my trust has been totally earned. It may not score a perfect 100%, but it's definitely gonna get an A- or A+.

*RaphaelinSTL* · 12-28-2015, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Foombamaroom

HA.
YOU THINK THESE PEOPLE CAN LEARN.
Oh, my dear sweet summer child.

They don't learn anything because there's only one thing they want from this franchise:
http://rs1223.pbsrc.com/albums/dd511...ybutt.gif~c200

Basically this ^^^^

I'm not a fan of the trailer, but I do like aspects of it. I'm still not sold on the overlook of the turtles, but I do like the Shredder/Stockman/Rocksteady & Bebop moments...but overall, I have to like the main characters for this to work and it's still the same Turtles from a film I absolutely despised.

There's things that people can take away from this and can find stuff to look forward to, but as with most things...when it comes to the live action films...I'll just stick with the first two. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

*sdp* · 12-28-2015, 11:18 PM

Sometimes I wonder what bubble you live in Leo.

~~Leo656~~ · 12-28-2015, 11:26 PM

Because my window to the world isn't this forum and the 7 people who actively post on it? Think you have the two of us confused. *I'M* not the one who has a hard time distinguishing fantasy from reality, bub.

~~Commenter 42~~ · 12-29-2015, 01:41 AM

The lady doth protest to much.

Anywho.... I'm in no hurry to see SW again, but I enjoyed it, and I'm sure I enjoyed it more, having known less going in. Mad Max was the same. I've done the opposite, watched and read everything available, and found myself really disappointed with the results...but that's me.

I think in this case, they had to show B&R...gain some credibility back, prove they weren't going to be reimagined as a lobster and a toaster or the like. (The way Bay is want to do.)

It was the right move, but if they're smart, they don't show any more than this.
No need to give away the cow for free.
It's a movie for Tweens, same audience as BVS. It will make 600 or so, maybe less. Lotta CBM nonsense this year, so that might be high...

Myko · 12-29-2015, 04:24 AM

Here's briefly about the science of spoilers: http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/archive/new...08spoilers.asp

TL;DR: Leo's right.

*Wildcat* · 12-29-2015, 05:44 AM

I don't agee there. I can see it with action but something that purposely has a mystery to it. It's the whole point. The first time anyway. Of course it's fun rewatching stuff but that's for a different reason by then.

I remember I accidentally spoiled Flightplan for myself reading an article about airline staff at the time and it talked about the movie which pretty much gave away that the staff in the movie were indeed villains.

I still saw it in theaters and thought it was good but even while watching it I was like...well how long til they "out" the villains? I wasn't able to get into the build-up as much. I knew I should not have read that.

Why ruin a perfectly good surprise?

*THGhost* · 12-29-2015, 09:23 AM

Injecting them with Mutagen that's laced with Rhino and Warthog DNA (for whatever reason) would work.

newhire13 · 12-29-2015, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Technogeek29

Part of the whole reason they wanted the Turtles in the first movie was because they couldn't recreate the Mutagen or Ooze. Ignoring the fact they were going to use this stuff as a cure to a virus they cause when so far this stuff has only cause things to mutate. I'm sure Baxter can recreate it from scratch which is such a lazy write off but whatever I know that is what they are going to do. It just makes the first movie more dumb then it already was.

They could use samples from what was spilled at the end of the movie to reverse engineer it. It was all over Shredder.

*THGhost* · 12-29-2015, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Technogeek29

Part of the whole reason they wanted the Turtles in the first movie was because they couldn't recreate the Mutagen or Ooze. Ignoring the fact they were going to use this stuff as a cure to a virus they cause when so far this stuff has only cause things to mutate. I'm sure Baxter can recreate it from scratch which is such a lazy write off but whatever I know that is what they are going to do. It just makes the first movie more dumb then it already was.

Well they clearly have found a way to recreate the Mutagen/Ooze now, haven't they?

I think the new movie is practically retconning the first movie anyway so having little ties to it doesn't really matter.

*Galactus* · 12-30-2015, 06:35 PM

I don't think there's many trailers that legitimately spoil movies in the sense of giving people a sense of the plot or showing peoples glimpses of money shots. There are however trailers which give away things that things will be bad.

Take the recent Batman vs Superman trailer that everyone thought gave away too much. Were fans really mad they showed Doomsday? (After all most fans knew the character was in the movie) Or where they mad that it showed that he looked like one of the 2014 TMNT. Likewise are people mad at that we saw Wonder Woman is part of the final battle or given Clark and Bruce's reaction to her it seems like Wonder Woman may not be as well integrated into the movie as fans hoped.

Of course the silver lining is that now fans have months to desensitize themselves to that Doomsday design and get used to the idea that maybe Wonder Woman may not be as big a presence in the movie as they first thought and hear endless rationalizations of why these aren't bad things. Heck the same thing happened with TMNT 2014 which had way more questionable elements in it's trailers.

*THGhost* · 12-30-2015, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Galactus

I don't think there's many trailers that legitimately spoil movies in the sense of giving people a sense of the plot or showing peoples glimpses of money shots. There are however trailers which give away things that things will be bad.

Take the recent Batman vs Superman trailer that everyone thought gave away too much. Were fans really mad they showed Doomsday? (After all most fans knew the character was in the movie) Or where they mad that it showed that he looked like one of the 2014 TMNT. Likewise are people mad at that we saw Wonder Woman is part of the final battle or given Clark and Bruce's reaction to her it seems like Wonder Woman may not be as well integrated into the movie as fans hoped.

Of course the silver lining is that now fans have months to desensitize themselves to that Doomsday design and get used to the idea that maybe Wonder Woman may not be as big a presence in the movie as they first thought and hear endless rationalizations of why these aren't bad things. Heck the same thing happened with TMNT 2014 which had way more questionable elements in it's trailers.

I think people are mad at the BvS trailer because it shows the two of them teaming up to fight Doomsday. We now know that neither of them "win" the fight between the two of them. Obviously neither of them could truly win because then bye bye sequels, but we know that they're both physically fine when Doomsday shows up. Some people don't like having that knowledge.
I just wanna know how Aquaman and apparently The Flash will fit into it.

~~Leo656~~ · 12-30-2015, 09:50 PM

Every single person who honestly thought that Superman and Batman would NOT team up to fight someone else by the end of the movie shouldn't be allowed to speak out loud, because their stupidity taints the air. Especially when the press release has been telling people just that for over 6 months already.

As someone who has a summary of the script, that trailer spoils very little, it just has a lot of meat on it. It was designed to win over the fence-sitters who were still saying they had to "wait and see", and lots of those people are now sold. That's the mission of a trailer. There's a lot to think over once you've seen it but there's no context given to anything.

"You mean Batman and Superman team up?" and "You mean WONDER WOMAN is in it?" are both nonsense complaints, as neither of those things was ever in doubt or kept a secret in the first place.

It's a non-argument. The average person's reaction to ANY movie trailer with a lot of beef on it is not generally, "Wow, I think they gave away too much," it's, "That looks cool, I'mma go see it." You see/hear the "movie trailers are too spoiler-y" thing on the internet and exactly nowhere else in real life. Real people aren't so persnickety. They just absorb the information and decide if it looks good or bad. They're not weighing the strategical advantages of showing Bebop and Rocksteady or not. That's silly.

*THGhost* · 12-30-2015, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Every single person who honestly thought that Superman and Batman would NOT team up to fight someone else by the end of the movie shouldn't be allowed to speak out loud, because their stupidity taints the air. Especially when the press release has been telling people just that for over 6 months already.

As someone who has a summary of the script, that trailer spoils very little, it just has a lot of meat on it. It was designed to win over the fence-sitters who were still saying they had to "wait and see", and lots of those people are now sold. That's the mission of a trailer. There's a lot to think over once you've seen it but there's no context given to anything.

"You mean Batman and Superman team up?" and "You mean WONDER WOMAN is in it?" are both nonsense complaints, as neither of those things was ever in doubt or kept a secret in the first place.

It's a non-argument. The average person's reaction to ANY movie trailer with a lot of beef on it is not generally, "Wow, I think they gave away too much," it's, "That looks cool, I'mma go see it." You see/hear the "movie trailers are too spoiler-y" thing on the internet and exactly nowhere else in real life. Real people aren't so persnickety. They just absorb the information and decide if it looks good or bad. They're not weighing the strategical advantages of showing Bebop and Rocksteady or not. That's silly.

While all true, casual filmgoers who have no knowledge of the source material are still pissed off that the trailers "ruined" the fight for them by showing that they team up afterwards. Oh well, it'll still make a fun movie for them regardless.

You'd also be surprised how many people I've heard in real life say a trailer was too spoilery. I just roll my eyes and ignore them whenever I hear them talking about it.

~~Leo656~~ · 12-30-2015, 11:13 PM

I've genuinely never heard that. People come talk to me about movies all the time because I'm a well-known "movie guy", but I've genuinely never had anyone express that sentiment to me in a face-to-face conversation, not even friends. Just stuff like, "Did you see they're doing _____ ? I can't wait to see how they do _____ in a movie, man, that looks really cool, I can't wait to see it in the actual movie, how cool THAT's gonna be." Nobody ever said to me, "That cool thing I saw, I wish I hadn't seen it." You're still gonna get to see it 40-feet tall in surround sound, damn.

Maybe it's environmental. But for serious, I've honestly only ever had people say to me "I can't wait to see it" rather than "I've already seen too much." I'd imagine it has a lot to do with people who comment about things on the internet naturally being more jaded and cynical, but I'd never speculate such things out loud, for no one would believe me.

d_osborn · 12-31-2015, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Nobody ever said to me, "That cool thing I saw, I wish I hadn't seen it."

I hear it all the time. Almost daily. I work in a creative and technical field, and most people around me are pretty in-tuned with the shows and movies they find interesting. Even "coming next week" stingers at the end of TV shows are too much. I don't find it cynical or jaded at all. They want to go in fresh, which honestly is how these things are often written/developed to be initially seen. Plot points, imagery, whatever... I like to see these things are they were designed to be seen by the artisans and craftsmen behind the work.

~~Leo656~~ · 12-31-2015, 12:12 AM

I don't think I have the energy to go through life with the requisite blinders on that kind of lifestyle would require, frankly. I read and go outside and watch TV. I'm going to see and hear things about the things I like to see and watch, that's just the way it is.

I mean avoiding the "Next Week On..." previews doesn't even make any sense, as the entire purpose for their existence is for enticement, same thing with movie trailers. They give you a taste of the ice cream so you come back and buy the whole tub. That's the whole point. Ignoring them kind of gives the finger to people who went to the trouble of making them, I feel.

People are f*cking goofy if seeing 30 seconds of an hour-long show, or two minutes out of a 2-hour movie, "ruins" it for them. I honestly feel bad for them, if their life is so mundane that all of their kicks depend on seeing movies and TV shows "fresh", and a teaser trailer of all things can ruin the entire experience. That's entirely the opposite of why they're made. "I've seen too much, I can't get into it now"? That's a personal choice, and a poor one. You miss a lot of good things in life if you go about it that way.

I mean, whatever, it's their hang-up. Glad I don't know those people, we'd have absolutely nothing to talk about.

12-28-2015, 07:02 PM	#921
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,222	Leo, I think you're again in the minority that want everything spoiled, I mean more power to you but most people prefer to be surprised, I don't know where you get that idea from, look at all the praise the new Star Wars movie got because they spoiled nothing in the trailers. Now I understand why movies spoil their own movies and its to get people to go, if they didn't see X in the trailer maybe they wouldn't have gone to go see it or at least that's the argument marketing people make but that doesn't mean people don't like to be surprised. Rocksteady/Beebop was something too big and it was going to be "spoiled" no matter what, it's like the Indominus Rex in Jurassic World, even though he leaked, he was what was going to be sold in the movie so of course they had to show most of him in trailers/posters. __________________ *Trapt* *urself Page MiscRave!!!* Click to join The Drome Discord server

12-28-2015, 10:07 PM	#924
CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy Annalist Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 16,435	What Leo says is true for me; until I trust a creative team (which only comes after proven successes), I prefer to spoil a certain portion of a movie's production (or plot, if my trust is not quickly won) before paying money. I wanna know that my money is going to buy quality entertainment. I was a total skeptic over Batman V Superman, as I had mixed feelings over "Man of Steel", I'm NOT a fan of Frank Miller, and I loved The Dark Knight Trilogy. But in the couple of years we've been waiting, my trust has been totally earned. It may not score a perfect 100%, but it's definitely gonna get an A- or A+. __________________ *ALL THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED*

12-28-2015, 11:18 PM	#926
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,222	Sometimes I wonder what bubble you live in Leo. __________________ *Trapt* *urself Page MiscRave!!!* Click to join The Drome Discord server

12-29-2015, 05:44 AM	#930
Wildcat Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: AZ Posts: 3,516	I don't agee there. I can see it with action but something that purposely has a mystery to it. It's the whole point. The first time anyway. Of course it's fun rewatching stuff but that's for a different reason by then. I remember I accidentally spoiled Flightplan for myself reading an article about airline staff at the time and it talked about the movie which pretty much gave away that the staff in the movie were indeed villains. I still saw it in theaters and thought it was good but even while watching it I was like...well how long til they "out" the villains? I wasn't able to get into the build-up as much. I knew I should not have read that. Why ruin a perfectly good surprise? __________________ Nothing can survive the will to stay alive, cause if you try, you can do anything.

12-29-2015, 09:23 AM	#931
THGhost Puppet Master Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: UK Posts: 2,825	Injecting them with Mutagen that's laced with Rhino and Warthog DNA (for whatever reason) would work. __________________ - - - 1990 > OotS > TMNT 2014 > Turtles Forever > TMNT III > SotO > TMNT 2007 "Can't we all just get along?" - pennydreadful "...bitchy people are what make fan forums insufferable when they don't need to be." - B-Man "Act like freakin' adults for goodness sake." - Jester "Tough guys with tiny voices." - Commenter 42

12-28-2015, 11:26 PM	#927
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Because my window to the world isn't this forum and the 7 people who actively post on it? Think you have the two of us confused. I'M not the one who has a hard time distinguishing fantasy from reality, bub.

12-29-2015, 01:41 AM	#928
~~Commenter 42~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 3,954	The lady doth protest to much. Anywho.... I'm in no hurry to see SW again, but I enjoyed it, and I'm sure I enjoyed it more, having known less going in. Mad Max was the same. I've done the opposite, watched and read everything available, and found myself really disappointed with the results...but that's me. I think in this case, they had to show B&R...gain some credibility back, prove they weren't going to be reimagined as a lobster and a toaster or the like. (The way Bay is want to do.) It was the right move, but if they're smart, they don't show any more than this. No need to give away the cow for free. It's a movie for Tweens, same audience as BVS. It will make 600 or so, maybe less. Lotta CBM nonsense this year, so that might be high...

12-29-2015, 04:24 AM	#929
Myko Thug Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Sweden Posts: 73	Here's briefly about the science of spoilers: http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/archive/new...08spoilers.asp TL;DR: Leo's right.

12-30-2015, 06:35 PM	#934
Galactus Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,009	I don't think there's many trailers that legitimately spoil movies in the sense of giving people a sense of the plot or showing peoples glimpses of money shots. There are however trailers which give away things that things will be bad. Take the recent Batman vs Superman trailer that everyone thought gave away too much. Were fans really mad they showed Doomsday? (After all most fans knew the character was in the movie) Or where they mad that it showed that he looked like one of the 2014 TMNT. Likewise are people mad at that we saw Wonder Woman is part of the final battle or given Clark and Bruce's reaction to her it seems like Wonder Woman may not be as well integrated into the movie as fans hoped. Of course the silver lining is that now fans have months to desensitize themselves to that Doomsday design and get used to the idea that maybe Wonder Woman may not be as big a presence in the movie as they first thought and hear endless rationalizations of why these aren't bad things. Heck the same thing happened with TMNT 2014 which had way more questionable elements in it's trailers.

12-30-2015, 09:50 PM	#936
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Every single person who honestly thought that Superman and Batman would NOT team up to fight someone else by the end of the movie shouldn't be allowed to speak out loud, because their stupidity taints the air. Especially when the press release has been telling people just that for over 6 months already. As someone who has a summary of the script, that trailer spoils very little, it just has a lot of meat on it. It was designed to win over the fence-sitters who were still saying they had to "wait and see", and lots of those people are now sold. That's the mission of a trailer. There's a lot to think over once you've seen it but there's no context given to anything. "You mean Batman and Superman team up?" and "You mean WONDER WOMAN is in it?" are both nonsense complaints, as neither of those things was ever in doubt or kept a secret in the first place. It's a non-argument. The average person's reaction to ANY movie trailer with a lot of beef on it is not generally, "Wow, I think they gave away too much," it's, "That looks cool, I'mma go see it." You see/hear the "movie trailers are too spoiler-y" thing on the internet and exactly nowhere else in real life. Real people aren't so persnickety. They just absorb the information and decide if it looks good or bad. They're not weighing the strategical advantages of showing Bebop and Rocksteady or not. That's silly.

12-30-2015, 11:13 PM	#938
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I've genuinely never heard that. People come talk to me about movies all the time because I'm a well-known "movie guy", but I've genuinely never had anyone express that sentiment to me in a face-to-face conversation, not even friends. Just stuff like, "Did you see they're doing _____ ? I can't wait to see how they do _____ in a movie, man, that looks really cool, I can't wait to see it in the actual movie, how cool THAT's gonna be." Nobody ever said to me, "That cool thing I saw, I wish I hadn't seen it." You're still gonna get to see it 40-feet tall in surround sound, damn. Maybe it's environmental. But for serious, I've honestly only ever had people say to me "I can't wait to see it" rather than "I've already seen too much." I'd imagine it has a lot to do with people who comment about things on the internet naturally being more jaded and cynical, but I'd never speculate such things out loud, for no one would believe me.

12-31-2015, 12:12 AM	#940
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I don't think I have the energy to go through life with the requisite blinders on that kind of lifestyle would require, frankly. I read and go outside and watch TV. I'm going to see and hear things about the things I like to see and watch, that's just the way it is. I mean avoiding the "Next Week On..." previews doesn't even make any sense, as the entire purpose for their existence is for enticement, same thing with movie trailers. They give you a taste of the ice cream so you come back and buy the whole tub. That's the whole point. Ignoring them kind of gives the finger to people who went to the trouble of making them, I feel. People are f*cking goofy if seeing 30 seconds of an hour-long show, or two minutes out of a 2-hour movie, "ruins" it for them. I honestly feel bad for them, if their life is so mundane that all of their kicks depend on seeing movies and TV shows "fresh", and a teaser trailer of all things can ruin the entire experience. That's entirely the opposite of why they're made. "I've seen too much, I can't get into it now"? That's a personal choice, and a poor one. You miss a lot of good things in life if you go about it that way. I mean, whatever, it's their hang-up. Glad I don't know those people, we'd have absolutely nothing to talk about.