Batman V. Superman: Dawn Of Justice

[JakeSully]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Word going around is that there really WAS a screening of the movie but that this specific person's claims about what happens in the movie are false, despite containing kernels of truth. Supposedly the actual word of mouth coming out of the screening was indeed very, very good, however.

I have a huge problem that Yahoo and other sites are still making a lot of noise about the Reddit "leak" despite it more than likely being fake. I've seen that article repeated in multiple places, but only the Superman Homepage has a disclaimer that it's fake. The Homepage always has credible inside sources on any and all of these productions and is always among the first to shoot down false rumors early and often, so while their "inside source who worked on the movie" isn't named, if they say they have a guy and that guy in turn says the Reddit leak is fake, then there's no reason to disbelieve it, nor is there any reason for people to keep reporting on it. I hate internet "Journalism", there's no accountability and you don't have to make corrections or retractions, it's so bogus.

I also read the Hal Jordan rumor this morning, but as has already been pointed out, that was "revealed" at the same time and from the same source as lots of other false information. I'll say this much of what I know: There was absolutely nothing about Green Lantern or even Hal Jordan anywhere in the leak from the Spring. Now, back then they hadn't even announced any plans for Green Lantern at all as far as the upcoming DC films, so there's a chance they may have decided to add something after most of everything else was done, just to provide a more direct link to the JLA movie. I can see them doing that. But IF Green Lantern or even just Hal Jordan do show up, that was something they added literally at the very end, like 5 minutes ago. I won't be shocked if they do - recent rumors have it that now that they have an actual idea what they want to do with GL, DC/WB are thinking of downplaying Cyborg's overall importance to the League and making GL more prominent instead - but I'll believe it when I see it as far as anything for him in this movie goes.

Spoiler:

As far as the leak I have goes, it describes the state of the JLA at end of BvS as: Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman united as the core of the League, Aquaman heading back to Atlantis but offering to help out if he's needed, Vic Stone is all messed up but isn't Cyborg yet, Flash is literally just a red blur on a screen, and nothing at all about GL, which I admit is weird.

Now, it's entirely possible that very, very recently, a decision was made to put Flash and GL more "front-and-center" in a brief scene at the very end of the movie. It would make sense, but given how we've very recently had people as high up as Affleck flat-out saying there's little to nothing of Flash or GL in the movie, like just a couple weeks ago, I just find it hard to believe. They might have decided to stick five seconds of Flash or GL in there, but I kind of doubt it.

I personally still feel like in the actual movie, Flash and GL will be hinted at or implied but not actually seen in full until the JLA movie. That's the plan they've been committed to for two years, it seems unlikely they'd shift gears at the last minute. It happens, but again, in this case I'll believe it when I see it.

Do you remember the so called "No jokes" policy? well what they are saying that the DC movies will be better than ever and that's no joke.

[Leo656]

The last and only person who ever made a thing out of that one person's out-of-context quote was you. Please refrain from doing it further.

[JakeSully]

Originally Posted by Leo656

The last and only person who ever made a thing out of that one person's out-of-context quote was you. Please refrain from doing it further.

On casting of Green Lantern, how about Chris Pine?

[Leo656]

I wish. Nobody listens to me. I didn't get that pony when I turned Sweet 16 and I didn't get the Hal Jordan I wanted right now. What a rib.

[JakeSully]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I wish. Nobody listens to me. I didn't get that pony when I turned Sweet 16 and I didn't get the Hal Jordan I wanted right now. What a rib.

But do you think he might be good casting?

[Leo656]

He's Steve Trevor instead, so speculating about it further is pointless. They offered him Hal Jordan, he turned it down, they all compromised on Steve Trevor instead, nobody really knows why and anything else beyond that is needless speculation.

[JakeSully]

Originally Posted by Leo656

He's Steve Trevor instead, so speculating about it further is pointless. They offered him Hal Jordan, he turned it down, they all compromised on Steve Trevor instead, nobody really knows why and anything else beyond that is needless speculation.

But who can play Jordan?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by JakeSully

But who can play Jordan?

I say genderswap to Haley Jordan and cast Katee Sackhoff.

[Leo656]

I'm no longer sure. I think they should have just kept throwing money at Capt. Kirk until he said Yes. Anything else is automatically a silver medal by default. Not getting him locked in was possibly their first big mistake, but I don't think it will do a lot of long-term damage.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by Leo656

He's Steve Trevor instead, so speculating about it further is pointless. They offered him Hal Jordan, he turned it down, they all compromised on Steve Trevor instead, nobody really knows why and anything else beyond that is needless speculation.

WB actually offered him the role of Hal Jordan and chose Steve Trevor instead? I thought the Hal Jordan role was nothing but a rumor unfortunately false. Don't know why he would prefer Steve Trevor. Its a great should be casting like Jason Statham as Bullseye almost happening.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I say genderswap to Haley Jordan and cast Katee Sackhoff.

If she doesn't get Carol Danvers, I'd totally support that.

OR, do that anyway and Chris Pine can play Carl Danvers.

[Leo656]

Well, I mean, that's the scuttlebutt, that the role was basically his if he wanted it but he didn't. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

My gut tells me he didn't want to do it because GL is still an unproven franchise after the first movie left a bad taste in people's mouths, he's the star of the second-hottest sci-fi movie series right now, and frankly WB would get more out of him playing GL than he would; he'd bring credibility and a little more star power to their Cinematic Universe, but on the other hand, if it misfired like the last movie or otherwise wasn't well-received, it could hurt his appeal with the Star Trek crowd, and more importantly, his negotiating power at the contract table.

Playing a secondary protagonist in the Wonder Woman movie isn't nearly as big a risk for him as trying to revive the Green Lantern franchise would be. I can totally believe he simply didn't want to be burdened with all that.

Shame, because he's perfect.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Well, I mean, that's the scuttlebutt, that the role was basically his if he wanted it but he didn't. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

My gut tells me he didn't want to do it because GL is still an unproven franchise after the first movie left a bad taste in people's mouths, he's the star of the second-hottest sci-fi movie series right now, and frankly WB would get more out of him playing GL than he would; he'd bring credibility and a little more star power to their Cinematic Universe, but on the other hand, if it misfired like the last movie or otherwise wasn't well-received, it could hurt his appeal with the Star Trek crowd, and more importantly, his negotiating power at the contract table.

Playing a secondary protagonist in the Wonder Woman movie isn't nearly as big a risk for him as trying to revive the Green Lantern franchise would be. I can totally believe he simply didn't want to be burdened with all that.

Shame, because he's perfect.

[Candy Kappa]

Nathan Fillion should be Green Lantern his voice is awesome as animated HalJordan and he has some superhero experience as Captain Hammer

[Leo656]

Eh, looks a little old. I mean if we're disregarding age then I've said it before, not getting Eric Bana about ten years ago was maybe the BIGGEST mistake. Nobody ever could or will pull off Hal Jordan the way Hulk-era Eric Bana would have.

It's fun to pretend.

[Candy Kappa]

He's just 1 year older then Affleck. Although, I guess it's a bit weird having too many heroes being so much more older then Supes.

[Leo656]

Yeah, I'unno why they're doing the polar opposite of the newer comics, where everyone is explicitly stated to be 25 years old or younger (even when that makes NO sense whatsoever), but here everyone's mid-30s or older. Although the new comics are all trash so good for 'em, the less they borrow from anything post-2010 the better.

I'm pretty sure that Batman is supposed to be the oldest of the JLA in the movies by a good bit, though. That part makes sense, in that they don't want to have to contradict or disregard anything people like about "Solo Batman", either from the comics or the other movies. They basically want to have this new universe divide Batman's history into two distinct "Eras": "Solo Batman Era" from his debut up through Robin's death, in which "all the stuff you read about or saw Batman doing in comics, cartoons, and other movies, Definitely Happened (just maybe not exactly the way it did in those other versions), and "JLA Era Batman", in which he's older, more experienced, operating in a world where the threats are a lot bigger than a guy in clown makeup. It also makes sense in the way that, by having been doing this for 20+ years, it gives him a reason to be a team leader in the JLA over his younger, more-powerful teammates.

It's a way to have their cake and eat it too, especially since some people still don't like the idea of a Batman who works with the JLA, for whatever myopic reasons. They get to say "Here, we're not contradicting the comics or the old cartoon. All that stuff mostly happened, but it's backstory and legends. Now we're moving the story forward." It makes sense. And I still have a feeling they'll be doing "Young Batman" spin-off solo movies before it's over. They'd be crazy not to.

Having a middle-aged Affleck play Batman in this didn't make much sense to me until I thought about it, but now it makes absolutely perfect sense and it's actually pretty smart. I'm still hung up on Clark not becoming Superman until he's in his 30s, but whatever. It's pretty inconsequential; it's like they only mentioned it to explain Cavill's slightly-receding hairline.

[ToTheNines]

If they were smart, they'd cast older actors for Hal and John, then get some young "asses in seats" actors for Kyle and Guy.

[Leo656]

I've always been torn about who should play Guy and Kyle. I never seem to like anyone's suggestions. Guy's one of my all-time favorite characters so I'm hyper-selective and picky in how I prefer to see him represented.

I kinda feel like having to explain four Earth Green Lanterns right away might be tricky, so I'm not even sure I expect them to do Kyle or Guy until the second or third movie. Technically Guy should come into things before John or Kyle, since he was the original Alternate after Hal, but more people are familiar with John from the cartoon show so I expect Guy will be like the second or maybe even third alternate.

I'm really anxious and curious to see how the Green Lantern Corps stuff plays out. Unlike most people I liked the last movie fine even though it was really uneven and needed some trimming. I'm hopeful they've learned a few things and have a better idea what they want to do with the property.

[MikeandRaph87]

Are any other human Green Lanterns going to appear aside from Hal Jordan as primary and John Stewart as the number two. It might not be good to have all four and maybe Bazz and Scott too. The GL mythos are complex and hard to get the general audience into as proven but the sole Hal Jordan focused film in 2011. It is best not to over do it.