X-Men Spin Off TV Series: Legion & Hellfire

[CyberCubed]

So they make an X-men TV series about obscure characters that nobody really cares about. Watch this end after one season.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

So they make an X-men TV series about obscure characters that nobody really cares about. Watch this end after one season.

They made Agents of Shield about obscure characters nobody really cared about, and it's still going strong. Somehow.

[CyberCubed]

That show just rides off the success of the movies and Joss Whedon. Nobody would watch otherwise if it wasn't in continuity with the movie universe.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

That show just rides off the success of the movies and Joss Whedon. Nobody would watch otherwise if it wasn't in continuity with the movie universe.

That is absolutely my own opinion, or at least, it was. Now Skye/Daisy/Quake is the main incentive to tune in. I'm still dying to know what sort of wrench or wrinkle this introduces for an eventual Inhumans movie... if that ever does really happen. Not holding my breath, honestly.

[CyberCubed]

I only watched the first episode of that show so I have no idea. I don't watch shows much anymore.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

You know Cubed, Marvel DOES have other characters besides the Avengers, Spidey, abd X-Men. There are literally dozens of characters with potential to mine for a series, as shown by other shows like Agent Carter, Jessica Jones, and Iron Fist. Legion is also more than just Xavier's son, he's a powerful mutant in his own right, and a serious threat.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

You know Cubed, Marvel DOES have other characters besides the Avengers, Spidey, abd X-Men. There are literally dozens of characters with potential to mine for a series, as shown by other shows like Agent Carter, Jessica Jones, and Iron Fist. Legion is also more than just Xavier's son, he's a powerful mutant in his own right, and a serious threat.

But do we believe Fox can pull off a decent "son of Xavier" show? When they're barely making decent X-Men movies as it is?

I, for one, do not. Fox will have to do a helluva lot of good marketing and previewing to get me to even glance their way for "Legion" and "Hellfire Club." I'd like for them to be good, but I expect the worst. We shall see.

Agent Carter, honestly, is right up there with "Agents of SHIELD" in my opinion; if it weren't for the MCU carrying it, nobody would give it a second chance.

There are at least a dozen Marvel female characters I want to see done well. So far, only Jessica Jones seems to have any weight or staying power to her. She succeeded WITHOUT the MCU. Hardly any visible connections to it. Same for Daredevil. But Agent Carter and Agents of SHIELD? MCU movie tie-in episodes galore and every episode a visual reminder of "oh yeah, this is Captain America's ex..."

I'm glad some people like those shows, but they have zero interest for me. Bring on Iron Fist and Luke Cage, Misty Knight, and give the X-Women the treatment they deserve.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

You know Cubed, Marvel DOES have other characters besides the Avengers, Spidey, abd X-Men. There are literally dozens of characters with potential to mine for a series, as shown by other shows like Agent Carter, Jessica Jones, and Iron Fist. Legion is also more than just Xavier's son, he's a powerful mutant in his own right, and a serious threat.

You forget, Cubed doesn't read Marvel or DC comics so of course he has no idea about other heroes aside from the most popular.

[CyberCubed]

Weren't some of those characters in the Avengers: EMH cartoon? I would only know them if they appeared there.

The only thing I know about superheros is what the cartoons and movies tell me.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

And therein lies your problem, Cubed. Cartoons and movies are fine for what they are, but they almost never get to the real "meat" of the characters and their stories. They are the watered- down versions made for the non-comic reader masses. Thus, those characters rarely get any screentime, even if they are an important staple of the universe in the comics. How many people actually know who She-Hulk is, even though she's been a long-time Avenger and has had her own book for years! Same goes for Luke Cage, who has been around for decades, was an Avenger AND one of the original Heroes for Hire, and married Jessica Jones and had a kid. He's a huge part if the comics universe. But movies and cartoons don't want to dig into characters who aren't immediately recognizable to casual fans who probably never read more than a half dozen comics as kids.

The fact that these less-known characters are FINALLY getting the spotlight they deserve is both heartening and exciting. It means they are confident enough in the franchise as a whole that they are willing to bring out their other characters to give them new stories to tell that don't neccessarily involve the "Big Twelve". (Meaning the original five Avengers, Spidey, Wolverine, Xavier, and the FF.)

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

But do we believe Fox can pull off a decent "son of Xavier" show? When they're barely making decent X-Men movies as it is?

I, for one, do not. Fox will have to do a helluva lot of good marketing and previewing to get me to even glance their way for "Legion" and "Hellfire Club." I'd like for them to be good, but I expect the worst. We shall see.

Agent Carter, honestly, is right up there with "Agents of SHIELD" in my opinion; if it weren't for the MCU carrying it, nobody would give it a second chance.

There are at least a dozen Marvel female characters I want to see done well. So far, only Jessica Jones seems to have any weight or staying power to her. She succeeded WITHOUT the MCU. Hardly any visible connections to it. Same for Daredevil. But Agent Carter and Agents of SHIELD? MCU movie tie-in episodes galore and every episode a visual reminder of "oh yeah, this is Captain America's ex..."

I'm glad some people like those shows, but they have zero interest for me. Bring on Iron Fist and Luke Cage, Misty Knight, and give the X-Women the treatment they deserve.

At the risk of double-posting, I want to adress this as it's own subject. I feel like the tie-in shows are just the FIRST step in expanding the MCU to include a greater number and different kinds of heroes and villains for use in a larger tapestry of stories. I'm very interested to see how it all pans out, as it may mean movies or shows for other characters down the road. If Ant-Man 2.0 can get his own movie, and Fox is now willing to take chances on other characters in the X--Men world, and Sony is FINALLY allowing Spidey to return to his true home, things can only improve for the MCU.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

At the risk of double-posting, I want to adress this as it's own subject. I feel like the tie-in shows are just the FIRST step in expanding the MCU to include a greater number and different kinds of heroes and villains for use in a larger tapestry of stories. I'm very interested to see how it all pans out, as it may mean movies or shows for other characters down the road. If Ant-Man 2.0 can get his own movie, and Fox is now willing to take chances on other characters in the X--Men world, and Sony is FINALLY allowing Spidey to return to his true home, things can only improve for the MCU.

It actually functions in the exact opposite manner for me. My normal experience is I watch a show or movie, really like the character, then go find the comics... only to find that the comics are utter tripe IMO. Bloated plots, no permanent character development, pointless crossovers, et al.

For me, except with indie comics or the occasional Batman storyline (just because that's the only series where I already KNOW most of those characters and can tune out the crossovers/pointless crap), comics are anathema. I look at them as source material to be turned into gold, nothing more.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

YMMV of course, but that largely depends on the character in question, the writer/era, and whether it is a solo title, or team book. Some characters obviously work better on team books. Granted, there are some titles that have had entire runs that were just plain hokey or bad, but since the cinematic universe has a tetndency to alter backgrounds and even the characters themselves, some that don't get treated adequately in the comics may work better in the movies or shows. The point is that they are better able to introduce a wider range of characters to the public now- and that's a goid thing!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

YMMV of course, but that largely depends on the character in question, the writer/era, and whether it is a solo title, or team book. Some characters obviously work better on team books. Granted, there are some titles that have had entire runs that were just plain hokey or bad, but since the cinematic universe has a tetndency to alter backgrounds and even the characters themselves, some that don't get treated adequately in the comics may work better in the movies or shows. The point is that they are better able to introduce a wider range of characters to the public now- and that's a goid thing!

I definitely understand your POV.

For instance... MCU ain't doing jack crap for Hank Pym, Janet Van Dyne, or the Maximoff twins. They've been totally watered down.

Man, I really hope they manage to do some cool stuff with Wanda regardless, 'cause at the moment, it seems like all her badassery lies directly with X-Men story lines.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

To be fair, her last GOOD story was House of M. Or the side plot in X-Men Endangered Species. Even her involvement in Avengers Disassembled was minimal after the initial meltdown. I really liked her in AoU, though I wasn't happy that the comics altered her and Pietro's backstory just to accomodate the movies. That's just poor decision-making.

[ToTheNines]

MCU Hank Pym is the best Hank Pym.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Janet died in the comics several years ago, so that part was actually fairly true to the comics. Hank passed the Ant-Man torch several years ago as well. Now he's Giant Man or Yellowjacket or whatever other name he's using ATM.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Janet died in the comics several years ago.

Janet got better.

[TigerClaw]

It looks like the Legion TV series from FX, will not be set in the X-Men's cinematic universe, instead it'll take place in a parallel universe.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/01/...2016-tv-season

Legion centers on the story of David Haller, the alleged son of Professor X who was previously diagnosed with Schizophrenia before realizing his supposed illness was actually something more. Landgraf said this potential series won't take place within the X-Men film universe.

"It's not in the continuity of those films in the sense the current X-Men films take place in a universe in which everybody on planet Earth is aware of the existence of mutants," he said. "The series Legion takes place in a parallel universe, if you will, in which the US government is in the early days of being aware that something called mutants exist but the public is not. I wouldn't foresee characters moving back and forth because they really are parallel universes."

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

http://screenrant.com/x-men-hellfire-showrunners/

That bodes well...