Official TMNT 2 Trailer Discussion

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Mr._Mutant_Man

Although I wonder if people would complain if they had redesigned the turtles. I could imagine people forgiving the massive continuity error to have Turtles with a better design.

My question is though can they be trusted to, or to know what "better" even is when they see it. (At this point Bay would inevitably axe half the plans anyhow.) If it still wouldn't be so great, at that point...just leave it alone. It took long enough to get moderately used to it the first time, after being really against it for quite a while; I'd prefer not to have a relapse if that were the case.

If there's anything truly realistic about them, it's the fact that lighting, angles and whatnot either hurt or help. Just aim for flattering lighting, etc.; the easiest 'fix' I could ask for and I'd be willing to deal with that.

Although the adjustments they made to Mikey are an improvement. Little less creepy and actually kind of looks like the "little brother" now.

[THGhost]

I'd have been perfectly fine if they'd completely changed their designs. It'd make it feel like the sequel was retconning the first movie even more.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by THGhost

I'd have been perfectly fine if they'd completely changed their designs. It'd make it feel like the sequel was retconning the first movie even more.

on this I think we ALL agree. Might be the first time ever that a movie got it so wrong, people don't care about the continuity.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

on this I think we ALL agree. Might be the first time ever that a movie got it so wrong, people don't care about the continuity.

At this point, if that had happened, it'd only be putting a band-aid over a gaping chest wound.

A pointless gesture. And the fact that they DIDN'T, well...

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Nah, not yet. Nobody's threatening to beat Leo656's head in with a crowbar yet.

You'd think, right? I guess what with the holidays and all, people have just been busy.

As for this movie series, nothing can win me back at this point. This one and the inevitable third one are just going to be continuing the junk from the first one. Minor improvements here and there notwithstanding, they're building on top of a cracked foundation, planting seeds in poisoned soil. No matter how good it looks at a glance, those tomatoes aren't gonna taste right or sit well.

A lot of actors like to say, "You can't make a good movie from a bad script", but I'd like to add that you also can't get a good sequel out of a truly horrendous movie like the last one. You can improve on it with a little plaster and spackle but you can't rebuild he foundation. You have to break away from it entirely and start over. That's not what they're doing, thus everything they do in the same series is bad by definition, at best it can only be less-bad.

I'm not looking forward to the inevitable reboot either, though. I'm not looking forward to any TMNT movie ever again. It's still Viacom pulling the strings and they only care about being pimps to the brand, so why get excited? They don't care. The people who own TMNT don't care about making a good movie, and they're making tons of money making bad ones. We've ensured they don't have to try, ever. Well, not me personally, I didn't vote for this bullsh*t, but you guys... All you did was make sure they're going to do nothing but spoon-feed us pablum and dreck for the rest of the time they bother to hold on to the brand. Nice work.

So no, nothing's gonna win me over for THIS film series, and for any future ones, it would take nothing short of a miracle. I'd honestly prefer zero future TMNT movies at all over the 6 to 10 sh*tty ones we're guaranteed to get over the next 30 years.

Unless Viacom ever gets bored of it and sells it to WB. Then I'd have at least a spark of hope, because if nothing else WB has shown a willingness and understanding of how to take their "kids properties" and use them to provide products and entertainment for fans of all ages, not just kids, something Nick/Viacom simply isn't interested in doing.

So if Nick ever sells TMNT to pretty much anybody else, then there's hope for a good movie one day. Meanwhile, nope. As long as Nick owns it, it literally doesn't get better than this, as depressing as THAT is.

[Zak The Neutrino]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

on this I think we ALL agree. Might be the first time ever that a movie got it so wrong, people don't care about the continuity.

Who are you kidding? Someone would still complain.

I'm typically not one to cheer for a reboot but I seriously hope it falls on it's face hard enough so we can get a reboot.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Zak The Neutrino

Who are you kidding? Someone would still complain.

Right? I can see it now... In 10 years time:

"Why are they so short? The turtles have always been 7 feet tall!!!"
"Why don't they have any pants? They need to have pants!"
"Shredder and Splinter know each other? Whaaaaa????"

[darthwahl56]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Right? I can see it now... In 10 years time:

"Why are they so short? The turtles have always been 7 feet tall!!!"
"Why don't they have any pants? They need to have pants!"
"Shredder and Splinter know each other? Whaaaaa????"

Yep! No matter when it will happen, there always will be fans out there that have something to complain about.

[IndigoErth]

Well, to be fair that sounds more like a future generation of fans who will have caught on to the present model and not yet have gotten caught up on the history yet. In which case... I sincerely hope they do.

As long as they do it's forgivable. After all, there was a time long ago in which I was confused about why 1990 Splinter started out as a rat.

Spoiler:

But, I'm sorry, throw hot molten pizza at me for punishment if you must, but Leo looks cute in those black pants. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But I've no regrets in saying so. *ducks* Clothing might not be the norm, but for 2014 is suits them, or at least him. *ducks* Serious inner struggle here, it breaks tradition so I should be against it, but... stop it inner "fangirl," stop it.

The guy's already kryptonite to me. Putting black could-be jeans on him is just the final nail in the coffin.

Don't pat yourselves on the back too hard just yet film makers. If/when I watch it, it could very well be simply because of a pair of pants.

It's 4am and well past bed time, ignore all this, I am certain that I am not thinking straight.

[Technogeek29]

Originally Posted by Leo656

You'd think, right? I guess what with the holidays and all, people have just been busy.

As for this movie series, nothing can win me back at this point. This one and the inevitable third one are just going to be continuing the junk from the first one. Minor improvements here and there notwithstanding, they're building on top of a cracked foundation, planting seeds in poisoned soil. No matter how good it looks at a glance, those tomatoes aren't gonna taste right or sit well.

A lot of actors like to say, "You can't make a good movie from a bad script", but I'd like to add that you also can't get a good sequel out of a truly horrendous movie like the last one. You can improve on it with a little plaster and spackle but you can't rebuild he foundation. You have to break away from it entirely and start over. That's not what they're doing, thus everything they do in the same series is bad by definition, at best it can only be less-bad.

I'm not looking forward to the inevitable reboot either, though. I'm not looking forward to any TMNT movie ever again. It's still Viacom pulling the strings and they only care about being pimps to the brand, so why get excited? They don't care. The people who own TMNT don't care about making a good movie, and they're making tons of money making bad ones. We've ensured they don't have to try, ever. Well, not me personally, I didn't vote for this bullsh*t, but you guys... All you did was make sure they're going to do nothing but spoon-feed us pablum and dreck for the rest of the time they bother to hold on to the brand. Nice work.

So no, nothing's gonna win me over for THIS film series, and for any future ones, it would take nothing short of a miracle. I'd honestly prefer zero future TMNT movies at all over the 6 to 10 sh*tty ones we're guaranteed to get over the next 30 years.

Unless Viacom ever gets bored of it and sells it to WB. Then I'd have at least a spark of hope, because if nothing else WB has shown a willingness and understanding of how to take their "kids properties" and use them to provide products and entertainment for fans of all ages, not just kids, something Nick/Viacom simply isn't interested in doing.

So if Nick ever sells TMNT to pretty much anybody else, then there's hope for a good movie one day. Meanwhile, nope. As long as Nick owns it, it literally doesn't get better than this, as depressing as THAT is.

Not this time I can't see myself paying Money for this like the first one I went to the cheap theater in my town and only had to pay $3 but its almost too much for and overall disappointment in my eyes. Or I could just have my friend sneak me in like I've done several other movies I didn't think I'd like but meh even free suff can't help you if its still bad.

[DioLeo451]

Can April actually fight alongside The Turtles and Casey Jones this time

[Powder]

Originally Posted by DioLeo451

Can April actually fight alongside The Turtles and Casey Jones this time

Oh, so beating Sachs & Shredder herself wasn't enough last time?

[Technogeek29]

Originally Posted by Powder

Oh, so beating Sachs & Shredder herself wasn't enough last time?

Of course not this time she's going for Krang.

[DioLeo451]

Originally Posted by Powder

Oh, so beating Sachs & Shredder herself wasn't enough last time?

Actually Vern beat Sachs and that final blow to Shredder was anticlimactic call me greedy but she needs to kick more ass which is what I'm hoping for(just a sliver of hope)

[Powder]

Why exactly is that, if I may ask? What about some random nosey broad incapable of facial expressions being the combat equal to 4 hulking monsters with heavy weaponry seems right to you? It's really not April's position to get down & dirty. She's their human friend, & shouldn't be much more than that.

[Technogeek29]

Originally Posted by DioLeo451

Actually Vern beat Sachs and that final blow to Shredder was anticlimactic call me greedy but she needs to kick more ass which is what I'm hoping for(just a sliver of hope)

Nooooooooooo! gimme a sec April doesn't need to do crap the Turtles do where is that post gimme a bit I'll dig it up.

EDIT: long story short the Turtles don't beat anyone in a movie case and point.

In every Turtles movie the supporting cast always defeat the villain.

TMNT 1990- Splinter

TMNT SOTO- Kills himself

TMNT III- Killed by Wic (Casey's ancestor)

TMNT 2007- Casey and April crash the Cowabunga Carl van into the main villains.

Turtles forever- Bebop and Rocksteady plug the laser back in

TMNT 2014 April kicks a Katana into Shredder

Man the movie Turtles track record is a bit sad don'tcha think?

[DioLeo451]

Originally Posted by Powder

Why exactly is that, if I may ask? What about some random nosey broad incapable of facial expressions being the combat equal to 4 hulking monsters with heavy weaponry seems right to you? It's really not April's position to get down & dirty. She's their human friend, & shouldn't be much more than that.

I know It's just idk it would be cool to see is all I'm saying that's the fanboy in me of this character talking

[DioLeo451]

Originally Posted by Technogeek29

Nooooooooooo! gimme a sec April doesn't need to do crap the Turtles do where is that post gimme a bit I'll dig it up.

EDIT: long story short the Turtles don't beat anyone in a movie case and point.

In every Turtles movie the supporting cast always defeat the villain.

TMNT 1990- Splinter

TMNT SOTO- Kills himself

TMNT III- Killed by Wic (Casey's ancestor)

TMNT 2007- Casey and April crash the Cowabunga Carl van into the main villains.

Turtles forever- Bebop and Rocksteady plug the laser back in

TMNT 2014 April kicks a Katana into Shredder

Man the movie Turtles track record is a bit sad don'tcha think?

Wow that's super lame

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by darthwahl56

Yep! No matter when it will happen, there always will be fans out there that have something to complain about.

And no matter when it will happen, there will always be fans who happily get down on their knees and suck up absolutely whatever they are given.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Right? I can see it now... In 10 years time:

"Why are they so short? The turtles have always been 7 feet tall!!!"
"Why don't they have any pants? They need to have pants!"
"Shredder and Splinter know each other? Whaaaaa????"

And to this day we still get "why did Splinter start as a rat?" and "why are their headbands all red?" if anything non-'87 comes up. So, y'know...

Originally Posted by Powder

Why exactly is that, if I may ask? What about some random nosey broad incapable of facial expressions being the combat equal to 4 hulking monsters with heavy weaponry seems right to you? It's really not April's position to get down & dirty. She's their human friend, & shouldn't be much more than that.

I'm not someone who wants to see April as a "damsel in distress," I like it when she helps out and plays an integral role (like the way she was introduced), but... she's not a trained ninja, or even really a fighter. Having her save the day in a battle over the characters who have literally trained their whole lives to fight stretches suspension of disbelief a bit too much. Saving the day with her particular skills, or using her own human connections, suits the narrative a lot better, IMO.

But there are times when getting involved in the action makes more sense. But those are usually in long-form series where some level of formal training has been established over time. Not out of nowhere, stealing the climax of a movie where no fighting skill on her end has been established.

Originally Posted by Technogeek29

In every Turtles movie the supporting cast always defeat the villain.

TMNT 1990- Splinter
TMNT SOTO- Kills himself
TMNT III- Killed by Wic (Casey's ancestor)
TMNT 2007- Casey and April crash the Cowabunga Carl van into the main villains.
Turtles forever- Bebop and Rocksteady plug the laser back in
TMNT 2014 April kicks a Katana into Shredder

The one of these that actually feels the most "right" to me is the 1990 movie, where it's been made very clear that Splinter has the history and personal stakes with Shredder and really deserves the win. And it helps that the Turtles were at least trying to kill him, even drawing blood... unlike the sequels, where they had to find goofier and goofier ways for the villains to be taken out so it wouldn't be "too violent".