Did Tatsu snapped a kid's neck in the 1990 film?

TurtleFan2012 · 01-05-2016, 01:33 AM

Remember the scene where Tatsu attacked the kids out of rage? Listen closely when Tatsu attacks the first kid. You'll hear a "crack" sound. I think he broke that kid's neck before throwing him to the ground.

It's odd they kept that sound effect in. From what I heard, the last kid was supposed to die, but it was later changed to not upset the viewers.

d_osborn · 01-06-2016, 09:37 AM

I don't have the movie directly in front of me at the moment, but you're probably just hearing general fighting foley sounds. It was pretty heavily implied that Tatsu killed Shinsho in the early scripts, but moaning sounds were added in post to have a less dark tone to the scene.

In the first draft, it's Shredder that "brutally punishes" the Foot Soldier.

*neatoman* · 01-06-2016, 11:35 AM

No but he did throw a confusing temper tantrum.

*CyberCubed* · 01-06-2016, 11:38 AM

In the original script he did kill that kid. They then didn't want to upset parents so they dubbed in some moaning sounds to make it look like he was still alive, just unconscious.

d_osborn · 01-06-2016, 06:36 PM

I just pulled out a production draft script from 7/89, which was during principal photography. Tatsu was originally supposed to throw a non-fatal roundhouse kick to the side of Shinso's head. When Shinsho falls, he hits his head, which is what kills him.

Here is a scan of the scene, as scripted.

*Jephael* · 01-07-2016, 08:24 PM

I remember being plenty disturbed by that scene when I was a kid. Infact before I had the official home video, I had recorded it off a TV broadcast and edited out that entire part. Boy, was I a pussy...

*ProactiveMan* · 01-10-2016, 02:51 AM

Funny, I've always assumed he was dead - I didn't pick up on the moaning sounds.

That's one of my favorite scenes, as it tells you so much about these guys in a simple, visual way. It makes Shredder look really powerful; he can burn Tatsu so bad with just a silent glare, that he can't deal with it and flies off the handle. Then there is that last shot of Tatsu where he looks regretful, as though he didn't really want to go that far, but he kind of swallows it and walks away.

There's no more fun and games at this point; the Foot is a bad place to be.

DonatelloDomeHead31 · 01-12-2016, 11:28 AM

I remember that scene too.

"I'm alright" can barely be heard after the foot soldier is knocked to the ground by Tatsu.

Later, in the 2nd one, the violence was toned down a bit--no weapons used.

*Bry* · 01-12-2016, 01:32 PM

I heard the breathing noises and the "you'll be all right" as a kid, but even then I could tell that's not what really happened. Ignore the dubbed lines and that scene plays so much better.

Fishface · 01-26-2016, 01:48 PM

I always wanted to see more into the foot clans hideout! Also this scene shows how much rage Tatsu has if he gets mad! Was Shinso in any other scenes of the film? What about the Beaten Teen?

**Machias Banshee** · 01-26-2016, 07:45 PM

Etsy and Mew, please keep your off-topic silliness out of the threads.

Mr_riddler · 02-10-2016, 12:30 AM

Not in the film, in the comic book adaptation of the movie, yes.

Spoiler:

TonySiegel · 04-15-2016, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by d_osborn

I just pulled out a production draft script from 7/89, which was during principal photography. Tatsu was originally supposed to throw a non-fatal roundhouse kick to the side of Shinso's head. When Shinsho falls, he hits his head, which is what kills him.

Here is a scan of the scene, as scripted.
http://i.imgur.com/5pU4Jwd.jpg

do you have a link to the whole script?

peace bro

d_osborn · 04-18-2016, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TonySiegel

do you have a link to the whole script?

peace bro

I don't have any scans uploaded, but there are PDFs floating around.

TonySiegel · 04-18-2016, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by d_osborn

I don't have any scans uploaded, but there are PDFs floating around.

cool i will dig around

*myconius* · 06-04-2016, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr_riddler

Not in the film, in the comic book adaptation of the movie, yes.

Spoiler:

i'm going to have to dig this comic out!!! i forgot about how hardcore it was!

Garfield · 06-08-2016, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Jephael

I remember being plenty disturbed by that scene when I was a kid. Infact before I had the official home video, I had recorded it off a TV broadcast and edited out that entire part. Boy, was I a pussy...

Its okay that you thought it was disturbing. To see a guy get beaten to death is a disturbing thing to see. I don't think it makes you a pussy.

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Originally Posted by ProactiveMan

Funny, I've always assumed he was dead - I didn't pick up on the moaning sounds.

That's one of my favorite scenes, as it tells you so much about these guys in a simple, visual way. It makes Shredder look really powerful; he can burn Tatsu so bad with just a silent glare, that he can't deal with it and flies off the handle. Then there is that last shot of Tatsu where he looks regretful, as though he didn't really want to go that far, but he kind of swallows it and walks away.

There's no more fun and games at this point; the Foot is a bad place to be.

I always thought he was dead to. and I never picked up on the moaning edited in. Coupled with the fact that I really think the actor was playing it like he died, because he wasn't moving at all.

That was a really great scene. I wish they didn't feel the need to edit it, even if I didn't realize that they did.

*Andrew NDB* · 06-08-2016, 10:54 AM

I always took it as Tatsu punched his nose into his brain or something, but otherwise killed him. It wasn't until years later I picked up on the "oh, the kid lives" stuff.

d_osborn · 06-08-2016, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Garfield

That was a really great scene. I wish they didn't feel the need to edit it, even if I didn't realize that they did.

Just one of many changes from Golden Harvest after Barron was all but kicked out of the edit bay. I REALLY wish we could get a proper director's cut of TMNT.

*pferreira* · 06-09-2016, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by d_osborn

Just one of many changes from Golden Harvest after Barron was all but kicked out of the edit bay.

Where did you hear he was kicked out of edit bay?

01-05-2016, 01:33 AM	#1
TurtleFan2012 Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 300	Did Tatsu snapped a kid's neck in the 1990 film? Remember the scene where Tatsu attacked the kids out of rage? Listen closely when Tatsu attacks the first kid. You'll hear a "crack" sound. I think he broke that kid's neck before throwing him to the ground. It's odd they kept that sound effect in. From what I heard, the last kid was supposed to die, but it was later changed to not upset the viewers.

01-06-2016, 06:36 PM	#5
d_osborn Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,426	I just pulled out a production draft script from 7/89, which was during principal photography. Tatsu was originally supposed to throw a non-fatal roundhouse kick to the side of Shinso's head. When Shinsho falls, he hits his head, which is what kills him. Here is a scan of the scene, as scripted. Last edited by d_osborn; 01-07-2016 at 02:26 PM.

01-07-2016, 08:24 PM	#6
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	I remember being plenty disturbed by that scene when I was a kid. Infact before I had the official home video, I had recorded it off a TV broadcast and edited out that entire part. Boy, was I a pussy... __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

01-10-2016, 02:51 AM	#7
ProactiveMan Spooky ghost Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Western Australia Posts: 2,266	Funny, I've always assumed he was dead - I didn't pick up on the moaning sounds. That's one of my favorite scenes, as it tells you so much about these guys in a simple, visual way. It makes Shredder look really powerful; he can burn Tatsu so bad with just a silent glare, that he can't deal with it and flies off the handle. Then there is that last shot of Tatsu where he looks regretful, as though he didn't really want to go that far, but he kind of swallows it and walks away. There's no more fun and games at this point; the Foot is a bad place to be. __________________ ProactiveMan!

01-12-2016, 11:28 AM	#8
DonatelloDomeHead31 Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Helping Casey Jones fix the Pick-Up Truck Posts: 878	I remember that scene too. "I'm alright" can barely be heard after the foot soldier is knocked to the ground by Tatsu. Later, in the 2nd one, the violence was toned down a bit--no weapons used. __________________ Donatello: Pork rind. Donatello: Yeah, a few inquiries. Donatello: Turtles don't migrate, Raph. Birds do! Donatello: Have you seen the way this guy drives? Donatello: 0.00000003%! Donatello: I don't know, but it doesn't look good...

01-06-2016, 09:37 AM	#2
d_osborn Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,426	I don't have the movie directly in front of me at the moment, but you're probably just hearing general fighting foley sounds. It was pretty heavily implied that Tatsu killed Shinsho in the early scripts, but moaning sounds were added in post to have a less dark tone to the scene. In the first draft, it's Shredder that "brutally punishes" the Foot Soldier.

01-06-2016, 11:38 AM	#4
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,838	In the original script he did kill that kid. They then didn't want to upset parents so they dubbed in some moaning sounds to make it look like he was still alive, just unconscious.

01-12-2016, 01:32 PM	#9
Bry So Long, Stinktown! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,463	I heard the breathing noises and the "you'll be all right" as a kid, but even then I could tell that's not what really happened. Ignore the dubbed lines and that scene plays so much better. __________________ My Stuff: Webcomic \| Podcast \| DeviantArt \| YouTube \| Patreon

01-26-2016, 01:48 PM	#10
Fishface Foot Soldier Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Australia Posts: 177	I always wanted to see more into the foot clans hideout! Also this scene shows how much rage Tatsu has if he gets mad! Was Shinso in any other scenes of the film? What about the Beaten Teen?

01-26-2016, 07:45 PM	#11
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	Etsy and Mew, please keep your off-topic silliness out of the threads.

02-10-2016, 12:30 AM	#12
Mr_riddler Random Punk Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Gotham City Posts: 24	Not in the film, in the comic book adaptation of the movie, yes. Spoiler: __________________

06-08-2016, 10:54 AM	#18
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,506	I always took it as Tatsu punched his nose into his brain or something, but otherwise killed him. It wasn't until years later I picked up on the "oh, the kid lives" stuff. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]