Official TMNT 2 Trailer Discussion - Page 58

*Bry* · 01-07-2016, 08:55 PM

Ah well. Maybe in another decade or so.

sethmartin · 01-07-2016, 09:43 PM

I've seen plenty of episodes of the cartoon that featured krang, shredder, Baxter, bebop and rocksteady. Multiple villains can work if they spend a majority of the screen time together. I don't think krang will show up until the end since it was already leaked that the sky opening scene was at the end. I doubt that Baxter will be a villain that the turtles have to fight. Neither will karai. Who knows, though. It could work or it could be a cluster fudge.

~~Leo656~~ · 01-07-2016, 10:04 PM

First movie was already a cluster-f*ck, and they're doubling-down on THAT. There really is no mystery.

They also shot this thing so fast that no WAY was there a script. Absolutely no chance. At least not until shooting was well underway. They had to start shooting immediately so the CGI guys had enough time to work on the 80 goddamn full-CGI main characters that are going to be in it. There simply wasn't any time to write things down. I promise you, it was "Shoot it now, we'll make a movie out of it later!" Which was, as been revealed, essentially how they made the first one, with the whole "they really shot like three different movies and then clipped it into one" thing that's been making the rounds lately from people who worked on it.

These things aren't exactly equations for success. They deserve nothing but scorn and contempt for their overall lack of effort and caring. But hey, they remembered "Turtles Say Cowabunga", so all that bad stuff goes away.

*TrickOrTreater* · 01-08-2016, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by sethmartin

I've seen plenty of episodes of the cartoon that featured krang, shredder, Baxter, bebop and rocksteady. Multiple villains can work if they spend a majority of the screen time together. I don't think krang will show up until the end since it was already leaked that the sky opening scene was at the end. I doubt that Baxter will be a villain that the turtles have to fight. Neither will karai. Who knows, though. It could work or it could be a cluster fudge.

Yes. 22 minutes in a tv episode from people who are decent at writing tv episodes vs an hour and 45 minute movie from people who literally can't write a good script to save their friggin life.

It's absolutely going to be a cluster eff of hilarious proportions.

*samxsteal* · 01-08-2016, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Yes. 22 minutes in a tv episode from people who are decent at writing tv episodes vs an hour and 45 minute movie from people who literally can't write a good script to save their friggin life.

It's absolutely going to be a cluster eff of hilarious proportions.

Ok that seriously needs to stop sure you and many others didn't like the script but literally all the writers involved have written great works seriously.

*ToTheNines* · 01-08-2016, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by samxsteal

Ok that seriously needs to stop sure you and many others didn't like the script but literally all the writers involved have written great works seriously.

Applebaum and Nemec are ****ing hacks. And that's script had like 80 rewrites.

*TurtleTitan97* · 01-08-2016, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by samxsteal

Ok that seriously needs to stop sure you and many others didn't like the script but literally all the writers involved have written great works seriously.

Riddle me this: If they truly are great writers, why did the previous movie end up getting generally negative reviews?

*The Boston Ninja Turtle* · 01-08-2016, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by samxsteal

Ok that seriously needs to stop sure you and many others didn't like the script but literally all the writers involved have written great works seriously.

as much as you may not like it trick is right

tv shows are not equal to movies in terms of how to introduce characters

*NinjaPug* · 01-08-2016, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

http://imchriscole.com/wp-content/up...k-in-butt.jpeg

Applebaum and Nemec are ****ing hacks. And that's script had like 80 rewrites.

Careful or he will start C&Ping everything from their imdb page on here. They really do suck though. I think they learned how to be ****** writers from working with Kurtzman & Orci on Alias.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 01-08-2016, 07:00 PM

So basically, samxsteal is the new defender of sh!tty SH!TTY writing? Am I reading that right?

sethmartin · 01-08-2016, 07:37 PM

Big studio movies like that aren't really written like smaller movies. The studio and producers give the screenwriters a long list of notes such as "Make the Turtles aliens!" and the screenwriters go "ah crap, how are we going to do that? Well, will make them be from Dimension X". Even after the screenplay is written, the studio and producers make several changes to the final script and make even more changes during production. In TMNT 2014, especially, they brought in an additional writer (Evan Daugherty) and made even more changes during post production. I would be interested in reading the actual shooting script, not Blue Door, but the final draft that they actually used on set.

By the way, I'm not defending the writers. However, they did write Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol which was pretty well received. So I wouldn't call them crappy writers, maybe just not right for TMNT.

~~Commenter 42~~ · 01-08-2016, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

So basically, samxsteal is the new defender of sh!tty SH!TTY writing? Am I reading that right?

OH RIGHT!!!!

You we'rent around last time... LOL!!!!

You missed the out and out crazy between Sammy and me. I think the bulk of it ended up in the disintegrator, but man... this dude...WHOA. No one pushes buttons better than this guy.

Meet my opposite number; samxsteal.

Fair warning, with this guy, it a'int an act.

*The Boston Ninja Turtle* · 01-08-2016, 08:26 PM

defender is putting it lightly

*TrickOrTreater* · 01-08-2016, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by samxsteal

Ok that seriously needs to stop sure you and many others didn't like the script but literally all the writers involved have written great works seriously.

Josh Appelbaum
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0032227/?ref_=tt_ov_wr

Andre Nemec
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0625858/?ref_=tt_ov_wr

Evan Daugherty
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2489193/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr3

The first two worked on a bunch of tv shows I've never heard of, one Mission Impossible movie, and a garbage from top to bottom Ninja Turtles movie.

And Daugherty has written a bunch of movies that nobody cares about, including Hunger Games lite.

WHERE ARE THESE GREAT WORKS.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 01-08-2016, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Commenter 42

OH RIGHT!!!!

You we'rent around last time... LOL!!!!

You missed the out and out crazy between Sammy and me. I think the bulk of it ended up in the disintegrator, but man... this dude...WHOA. No one pushes buttons better than this guy.

Meet my opposite number; samxsteal.

Fair warning, with this guy, it a'int an act.

Give me a link, C42, or it didn't happen.

*ToTheNines* · 01-08-2016, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NinjaPug

Careful or he will start C&Ping everything from their imdb page on here. They really do suck though. I think they learned how to be ****** writers from working with Kurtzman & Orci on Alias.

Ugh, those two turds. Makes sense.

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Originally Posted by sethmartin

Big studio movies like that aren't really written like smaller movies. The studio and producers give the screenwriters a long list of notes such as "Make the Turtles aliens!" and the screenwriters go "ah crap, how are we going to do that? Well, will make them be from Dimension X". Even after the screenplay is written, the studio and producers make several changes to the final script and make even more changes during production. In TMNT 2014, especially, they brought in an additional writer (Evan Daugherty) and made even more changes during post production. I would be interested in reading the actual shooting script, not Blue Door, but the final draft that they actually used on set.

By the way, I'm not defending the writers. However, they did write Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol which was pretty well received. So I wouldn't call them crappy writers, maybe just not right for TMNT.

It was a Brad Bird joint. Of course it was good.

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Originally Posted by Commenter 42

OH RIGHT!!!!

You we'rent around last time... LOL!!!!

You missed the out and out crazy between Sammy and me. I think the bulk of it ended up in the disintegrator, but man... this dude...WHOA. No one pushes buttons better than this guy.

Meet my opposite number; samxsteal.

Fair warning, with this guy, it a'int an act.

Lol nice. I totally avoided this section in 2014, sorry I missed it.

~~Commenter 42~~ · 01-08-2016, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Give me a link, C42, or it didn't happen.

It's ugly stuff. Pretty sure they locked most of it away...

In a nutshell, it went like this:

Spoiler:

I'm paraphrasing, but that's the gist.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 01-08-2016, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Commenter 42

It's ugly stuff. Pretty sure they locked most of it away...

In a nutshell, it went like this:

Spoiler:

I'm paraphrasing, but that's the gist.

There was so much sh!t flowing back and forth in 2014, I honestly barely remember sammysteal. Now, other certain idiots of poor taste and certain trollitude, them I remember.

~~Commenter 42~~ · 01-08-2016, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

There was so much sh!t flowing back and forth in 2014, I honestly barely remember sammysteal. Now, other certain idiots of poor taste and certain trollitude, them I remember.

Between him and Puddin'pop - and a few others who randomly appeared then disappeared ... it was legitimate insanity.

~~Leo656~~ · 01-08-2016, 09:28 PM

How could anyone forget Sam.

I maintain there was no script. No script for the first movie, no script for this new one. If there IS, someone produce it so I can see it with my own eyes. I do not believe, otherwise, that words were actually ever written on paper, or even a cocktail napkin, to provide any sort of "direction" for these movies.

The first movie was a patchwork collage of three half-formed movies, by the account of the people who worked on it. And there was NO TIME to write a complete script by the time they started shooting the new one.

There's no script. Just a vague idea of what they wanted to see in the movie and how they wanted to get it in there. "Krang, Casey, Bebop and Rocksteady, Turtle Van, Technodrome... great, we got everything we need! Now we just have to edit it into a series of scenes that kind of link together to tell something almost like a story!"

Happens all the time on MUCH bigger movies than this. Just this week, Ryan Reynolds made an offhand quip about how Green Lantern didn't have a script when they started shooting, either. And that was supposed to be a big huge movie. It wasn't, but it was SUPPOSED to be. Maybe if they HAD a script, and a better idea what they needed to do, it could have been better. But they figured they didn't need one because the visuals and fan-service would be enough to get people interested. Sound familiar?

Stop giving people credit for things they didn't do. Those two "geniuses" didn't write some brilliant script. There Was No Script. If there is, show me. Otherwise, no, it was a point-and-shoot rush job that they "fixed" in post-production. Same as the first one.

Yay.

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Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Between him and Puddin'pop - and a few others who randomly appeared then disappeared ... it was legitimate insanity.

Weird, right? Almost as if they were here for a specific reason. As if someone told them to be here, to carry out a very specific mission. And once it was done, they disappeared en masse. It's almost as if the entire thing was a paid job.

Makes you wonder. Or not. I don't have to wonder, I'm omnipotent.

01-07-2016, 08:55 PM	#1141
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01-08-2016, 07:00 PM	#1150
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01-08-2016, 08:26 PM	#1153
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01-07-2016, 09:43 PM	#1142
sethmartin Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 706	I've seen plenty of episodes of the cartoon that featured krang, shredder, Baxter, bebop and rocksteady. Multiple villains can work if they spend a majority of the screen time together. I don't think krang will show up until the end since it was already leaked that the sky opening scene was at the end. I doubt that Baxter will be a villain that the turtles have to fight. Neither will karai. Who knows, though. It could work or it could be a cluster fudge.

01-07-2016, 10:04 PM	#1143
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	First movie was already a cluster-f*ck, and they're doubling-down on THAT. There really is no mystery. They also shot this thing so fast that no WAY was there a script. Absolutely no chance. At least not until shooting was well underway. They had to start shooting immediately so the CGI guys had enough time to work on the 80 goddamn full-CGI main characters that are going to be in it. There simply wasn't any time to write things down. I promise you, it was "Shoot it now, we'll make a movie out of it later!" Which was, as been revealed, essentially how they made the first one, with the whole "they really shot like three different movies and then clipped it into one" thing that's been making the rounds lately from people who worked on it. These things aren't exactly equations for success. They deserve nothing but scorn and contempt for their overall lack of effort and caring. But hey, they remembered "Turtles Say Cowabunga", so all that bad stuff goes away.

01-08-2016, 07:37 PM	#1151
sethmartin Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 706	Big studio movies like that aren't really written like smaller movies. The studio and producers give the screenwriters a long list of notes such as "Make the Turtles aliens!" and the screenwriters go "ah crap, how are we going to do that? Well, will make them be from Dimension X". Even after the screenplay is written, the studio and producers make several changes to the final script and make even more changes during production. In TMNT 2014, especially, they brought in an additional writer (Evan Daugherty) and made even more changes during post production. I would be interested in reading the actual shooting script, not Blue Door, but the final draft that they actually used on set. By the way, I'm not defending the writers. However, they did write Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol which was pretty well received. So I wouldn't call them crappy writers, maybe just not right for TMNT.