Official TMNT 2 Trailer Discussion

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Leo656

How could anyone forget Sam.

I maintain there was no script. No script for the first movie, no script for this new one. If there IS, someone produce it so I can see it with my own eyes. I do not believe, otherwise, that words were actually ever written on paper, or even a cocktail napkin, to provide any sort of "direction" for these movies.

The first movie was a patchwork collage of three half-formed movies, by the account of the people who worked on it. And there was NO TIME to write a complete script by the time they started shooting the new one.

There's no script. Just a vague idea of what they wanted to see in the movie and how they wanted to get it in there. "Krang, Casey, Bebop and Rocksteady, Turtle Van, Technodrome... great, we got everything we need! Now we just have to edit it into a series of scenes that kind of link together to tell something almost like a story!"

Happens all the time on MUCH bigger movies than this. Just this week, Ryan Reynolds made an offhand quip about how Green Lantern didn't have a script when they started shooting, either. And that was supposed to be a big huge movie. It wasn't, but it was SUPPOSED to be. Maybe if they HAD a script, and a better idea what they needed to do, it could have been better. But they figured they didn't need one because the visuals and fan-service would be enough to get people interested. Sound familiar?

Stop giving people credit for things they didn't do. Those two "geniuses" didn't write some brilliant script. There Was No Script. If there is, show me. Otherwise, no, it was a point-and-shoot rush job that they "fixed" in post-production. Same as the first one.

Yay.



Weird, right? Almost as if they were here for a specific reason. As if someone told them to be here, to carry out a very specific mission. And once it was done, they disappeared en masse. It's almost as if the entire thing was a paid job.

Makes you wonder. Or not. I don't have to wonder, I'm omnipotent.

There was a script. "The Blue Door." After that? Nope. Just "eh, we need to do that a little differently..."

And holy shitt. I feel stupid for not putting 2 and 2 together sooner.

[Commenter 42]

Guys like this :

Universal_Adam
20 posts

1st post on turtle designs:

Originally Posted by Universal_Adam

I personally think they look awesome. Donatello seems a bit skinnier than the rest which is cool. Raphael looking all buffed up makes sense to me. People I know with rage problems spend a lot of time bulking up and lifting weights. So it makes sense to me.

This gem:

Originally Posted by Universal_Adam

So far they all look amazing! Even Shredder. He's terrifying. I can't wait to see Splinter!

Trying to rally the troops:

Originally Posted by Universal_Adam

So what do we have to do to get a closer look at Raph, Mikey, Don, and Splinter?
Not looking a gift horse in the mouth, but it would be cool to see the detail on the others that we saw on Leo.

Guiding us just where to look for "easter eggs"

Originally Posted by Universal_Adam

It's REALLY tiny, but if you look in the corner of the image with the poster, on the shelf of toys, you can see Splinter!

Paramount looking for feedback:

Originally Posted by Universal_Adam

Why is everyone complaining about the taped up glasses?

A mutated turtle needs to have perfect vision?

You guys, think about it. Donatello's head is wider than a normal human head. Didn't it occur to anyone that since obviously they don't make extra wide glasses for a mutant turtle head, maybe Donatello broke the glasses in the middle and extended the bridge with tape so that the lenses are an appropriate length apart so he can see out of them?

If you ask me, that seems like a far more reasonable explanation about the glasses.

and finally

Originally Posted by Universal_Adam

Maybe some people would just rather see a movie before trashing it. Perhaps some of us aren't willing to call a movie garbage based on things like nostrils, glasses and tattoos.

That's just how I see it.

He put out a few more...then disappeared.

[ToTheNines]

Wow, he wasn't even trying.

[Leo656]

21st Century "Marketing" in effect.

Back in the day you'd have a guy dressed in a cheap, ill-fitting Turtle costume waving a big sign around. Now, you get people paid to hang out on message boards, pretending to be "just another fan, dudes!", telling people to disbelieve their own eyes.

To their credit, they are getting paid for this sh*t, while the rest of us... sigh.

[Commenter 42]

And back then, I kept saying "uh, these guys are plants. You all can see this right? Their getting paid to say this crap. The should be banned"

Not so much an I told you so, so much as a "let's not do that again".

just saying.

Originally Posted by Leo656

To their credit, they are getting paid for this sh*t, while the rest of us... sigh.

Wait, we're not getting paid?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Guys like this :

Universal_Adam
20 posts

1st post on turtle designs:



This gem:



Trying to rally the troops:



Guiding us just where to look for "easter eggs"



Paramount looking for feedback:



and finally



He put out a few more...then disappeared.

Wow, I don't remember that guy at all. You've got a better memory than me; or maybe I'm just better at repressing trauma.

Thanks for digging all that up, though!

[Leo656]

Gosh, I'd be on a lot more often if I was getting paid for this nonsense.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Gosh, I'd be on a lot more often if I was getting paid for this nonsense.

Damn straight, skippy.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by sethmartin

I've seen plenty of episodes of the cartoon that featured krang, shredder, Baxter, bebop and rocksteady. Multiple villains can work if they spend a majority of the screen time together.

Okay, except that's a cartoon, and even then, generally those characters had all been given their own proper, full introductions in previous episodes. Big team-ups have to be earned by laying the groundwork in advance. For example, there's a reason Marvel introduced all their characters before making The Avengers -- their motivations and personalities had been firmly established and the audience knew and cared about them already, so they could get right to the fun stuff without it feeling forced, cramped or rushed.

The only returning villains in this movie are Shredder and Karai, and they've both been majorly recast and don't even resemble the previous versions, so they'll likely need proper reintroductions anyway. That is one stuffed movie. And that kind of situation almost never turns out well.

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Josh Appelbaum
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0032227/?ref_=tt_ov_wr

Andre Nemec
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0625858/?ref_=tt_ov_wr

Evan Daugherty
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2489193/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr3

The first two worked on a bunch of tv shows I've never heard of, one Mission Impossible movie, and a garbage from top to bottom Ninja Turtles movie.

And Daugherty has written a bunch of movies that nobody cares about, including Hunger Games lite.

WHERE ARE THESE GREAT WORKS.

The only well-received movie any of these guys wrote was Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol. And even that's not even particularly well-written. The script was kind of dumb, honestly. Visually it was super fun, thanks to a great director in Brad Bird and Tom Cruise just putting goddamn everything into his action scenes, like he always does in these movies. The writing was basically incidental.

Everything else they've written has been critically panned and not particularly well-liked by audiences.

[Leo656]

Oh, I'unno. Movies that are "crammed" with lots of characters, both Main and Background, Good and Evil, still oftentimes turn out very good. The trick is, you have to actually sit down and figure them out. You have to figure out a purpose, motivation, behavioral pattern, and arc for each one, in order to fully bring them to life and give them a reason to actually exist in the movie beyond, "Hey look! It's _______!"

In other words, you have to sit down with pen and paper and cover all the angles. Which is not what these people did. This group of people said, "How do we take these toy designs and squeeze them into the movie?"

So no, "Young Guns" or "Tombstone", this movie will not be. All writers trying to write movies that juggle a dozen characters should have to watch "Young Guns" and "Tombstone" as part of their Beginner's Screenwriting Curriculum. Because those two films are very good at making it look easy.

[Commenter 42]

Honestly, I want a supercut of Tom Cruise running places from the MI films...
Those shots elicit tears of joy. Ghost Protocol was impossibly stupid. Next level dumb.

....and theres a tumbler full of it...

best of the best at 1:46


This in Imax, killed me. So terrible.

[Leo656]

I sincerely hope this will do, because I didn't get you anything for Christmas either.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Honestly, I want a supercut of Tom Cruise running places from the MI films...
Those shots elicit tears of joy. Ghost Protocol was impossibly stupid. Next level dumb.

I remember thinking it was ok. I do remember anything involving repelling was totally bull **** and fake, but you'll have that with just about any movie...

[Bry]

Oh, sure, Leo. But those were actual films with actual stories, actual characters, and actual scripts.

This movie will have, what, 15 major/notable characters? Nearly half of which are being introduced here, and the other half hardly counted as "characters" last time. It would take a great script to make that work in any decent way. And as you've said, this movie was rushed into production and, like the last one, seems to be primarily based on CGI action set-pieces, soooo...

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I sincerely hope this will do, because I didn't get you anything for Christmas either.

a-thank you, Ah thank, you.
lol!!!!!

[Leo656]

It was my most sincere pleasure.

Originally Posted by Bry

Oh, sure, Leo. But those were actual films with actual stories, actual characters, and actual scripts.

"Tombstone" in particular, had too much script. Every single character had a ton of stuff written for them that was never put on screen, because it would have been a six hour movie. It's not entirely historically accurate, but that's not really the point; the point is, they did a LOT of work in developing that movie and its characters.

And that you'd think people would learn over the years how important stuff like that is. You do the work, you get good results. You cut corners and half-ass things... well... you see what we end up with.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

There was so much sh!t flowing back and forth in 2014, I honestly barely remember sammysteal. Now, other certain idiots of poor taste and certain trollitude, them I remember.

He's the guy that used racists terms to justify whitewashing Shredder, he even made a poll about it, which is still linked in his signature.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

He's the guy that used racists terms to justify whitewashing Shredder, he even made a poll about it, which is still linked in his signature.

That was legit one of my many most favorite moments here.

The tone-deafness of it.

So delicious.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

It's ugly stuff. Pretty sure they locked most of it away...

In a nutshell, it went like this:

Spoiler:

SXS: i saw da movie its so good an i likes so much
C42: The movie sucked man. Why was it good?
SXS: Cause it was i dont have to tell why to bad
C42: You're an idiot. That's not a valid argument.
SXS: done be so mean you are a hater butt hurt
C42: Don't be stupid, and please use some form of punctuation.
SXS: you should be banned forevar let me like stuff done be so mean too me
C42: Stop supporting Bay, and I will.
SXS: i can't it's all my dreams
C42: Sam, you're contributing to the destruction of the franchise. Please don't support this trash. It's embarrassing. I'm embarrassed for you.
SXS: Nah an, tudle powa forevers you dont know good stuffs and you are not a fan I will buy more tickets and give them to other people
C42: I give up. You do you man.
SXS: your wrong and should apologize.
C42: This is boring. You're the reason movies like this exist. It's infuriating.
SXS: apologize to me i have good taste and like lots of things
C42: That's precisely the problem Sam.

I'm paraphrasing, but that's the gist.

Thats so full of sh!t and you know it I have described in full what I liked about theovoe never once did I pull the "I just liked it for no reason."

I really liked the movie were there issues yeah. But I still stand by the tutles being perfect. I liked alot of the action that was in the movie. There were loads of little thing that made the movie very enjoyable of me and many others. But some people on these forums can stand that and were belegerant to others. I offered to give someone a ticket because I really did enjoy the movie and felt people should make up their minds instead of fallowing the internet hate machine.

And you were a complete jerk last time around as well as other people effectively driving away tons of movie fans from these forums. I'm shocked some stayed with the way they were and are still treated.

I'm not saying the turtles script was fantastic it wasn't there were lots of issues. But all the writers involved have made other great works whether it was for TV shows or movies or independent films. To say they are worthless and don't know how to write is just stupid. And ignorant

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

He's the guy that used racists terms to justify whitewashing Shredder, he even made a poll about it, which is still linked in his signature.

Since when where scientific terms still used in collages around the world to this day and still used in the scientific community racist?

Question was if on race plays a character whos of another race, racist? answer no. Thats not racist.

And since these forum member would answer how I first worded the question hiding behind it be racist I used the scientific terminology of different races and thats somehow racist OK because colleges and the scientific community is racist