Deadpool movie finally gets a release date

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Krutch

Trying not to start a war here, but... I just never understood the appeal of Deadpool. He's kind of a one trick pony if you ask me. Granted, I've never read anything of his, so I guess thats completely ignorant. But based on everything I've seen... I have a feeling this movie may just expose Deadpool for just that.

My worthless two cents

There's sort of an OT TMNT thing going on with Deadpool. There's so much more to the turtles than pizza eating party dudes, but that's how they market them to the lowest comomon denominator. Same thing with DP; there may be goofy elements but it hardly defines the series/character, they just use that to get the low hanging fruit to invest. Though I don't know if much of the deep/tragic stuff will be in this movie, you'd have to check out the comics to get the full idea, I figure.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

DP has gone through probably more backstory changes than the Joker. Even HE doesn't know his own true story anymore, but it hardly matters, since he basically ignores it now anyway. The most "interesting" thing about him is that unlike nearly every other Marvel hero, he KNOWS that he is just a fictional character, thanks to a reveal from Loki some years back. This is PART of the reason for his fourth-wall breaking- he really IS talking to the audience! But he's much more than that, he's also a mercenary who is VERY good at what he does, in spite of his tenuous grasp on sanity. (Also a by-product of his knowledge of his status as a comic character.)

He's been both a good guy and a bad guy, has worked with the X-Men, formed his own team, and has even had a side-kick! (Agent Bob, formerly of Hydra. There's a funny story about how they ended up together, the short version of which is that DP captured a random Hydra agent, and attempted to ransom him back to them, only to be told "keep him". Bob then eventually joined DP's new investigation agency.)

[THGhost]

Okay, this is an odd one...

Rob Liefeld (co-creator of Deadpool) chose his number 1 actor to play Cable. John Hamm.

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http://www.comicplanetcultureforlife...me-in-fan-art/

Originally Posted by Powder

There's sort of an OT TMNT thing going on with Deadpool. There's so much more to the turtles than pizza eating party dudes, but that's how they market them to the lowest comomon denominator. Same thing with DP; there may be goofy elements but it hardly defines the series/character, they just use that to get the low hanging fruit to invest.

This.

Originally Posted by Powder

I don't know if much of the deep/tragic stuff will be in this movie

Judging by the trailer, the romance between Wade and Vanessa will most likely be there. How deep it will go remains to be seen.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Powder

Same thing with DP; there may be goofy elements but it hardly defines the series/character, they just use that to get the low hanging fruit to invest. Though I don't know if much of the deep/tragic stuff will be in this movie, you'd have to check out the comics to get the full idea, I figure.

It seems like they're largely pulling from the Joe Kelly run for the movie, and I really hope that's the case. There's a habit to lean way too hard on the fourth-wall-breaking self aware humour and the LOL RANDOM in recent years, but I always loved how the fun and funny stuff would be offset with some serious, tragic melancholy and some legitimate twistedness in the character. There's a balance there that not everyone gets. Being funny and sympathetic is built into the character, but he can also be a truly horrible monster. I just hope the movie doesn't dull his edges too much to make him more "likeable".

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Judging from the body count in the trailer, I'd say we're safe on that one. I love how he just sort of shrugs it off. "That guy? He was up there when I got here!" And that one-bullet-three-kills moment was pure Deadpool. Reminds me of the Assassin Monkey issue....

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Judging from the body count in the trailer, I'd say we're safe on that one. I love how he just sort of shrugs it off. "That guy? He was up there when I got here!" And that one-bullet-three-kills moment was pure Deadpool. Reminds me of the Assassin Monkey issue....

Christ, can you imagine if Hit-Monkey made an appearance in future sequels? If we can have a talking bounty hunter Raccoon then we sure as hell can have a hitman monkey!

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by THGhost

Christ, can you imagine if Hit-Monkey made an appearance in future sequels? If we can have a talking bounty hunter Raccoon then we sure as hell can have a hitman monkey!

That just made me laugh WAY more than it should have!!

[Krutch]

That's fair. I always am quick to admit probably not knowing enough about the character for a fair judgement. I guess my hangup on the character is that if he's aware he's fictional, doesn't that just kind of... y'know... take the stakes out of everything? Like, good for jokes, I guess. But as far as drama goes I feel like it's impossible once the protagonist realizes nothing is real.

In Pleasantville, for example, the characters get sucked into a fake world. Fake characters, fake universe. But they know that they're real, and everything they feel is real. That's the emotional pull. It'd be a whole different movie if Skip Martin realizes he's being played by Paul Walker in a movie starring Tobey Maguire. All emotional investment is kind of removed at that point.

If I'm to understand correctly, Deadpool is constantly aware of what medium he's in (be it comics, movies, video games) and that he himself is fictional. That everything he's seeing, doing, and feeling is completely being made by whichever artist/actor/player is controlling him. And he confirms this belief to us, the audience, when he's correct on the matter at hand.

So I'm having a really hard time wrapping my head(well, my heart, I suppose) around any drama that can come from a character who is aware that nothing about his entire existence is real. And not in an extistentialist kind of way. Like, proof positive fictional character.

Which is why I feel like this character can be great as a side character and used to great effect as comedic relief, but little else. When he's the main character I just don't see how it holds up. But again... I've never read anything, so what do I know

I'm probably just overthinking this.

[Powder]

You're on a TMNT forum, they broke the fourth wall all the time! Definitely overthinking it, bud.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

The thing with Deadpool is that even though he knows that, he still goes through everything as if it was real, still thinks for himself(the inner conversations he has, which often deal with his own existential questions) and still acts as if his existance is meaningful or important in some way. Almost as if realizing that he is the "star/hero" of the story gives him confidence that he can pull through whatever he's dealing with.

[JakeSully]

Looks like goofy gory gruesome dark comedy fun here.

This could be the R-rated version of Guardians of the Galaxy with similar humor only darker/cruder, similar retro soundtrack and tone while Apocalypse will be like Captain America 2 in terms of tone of being a more serious minded action adventure.

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by JakeSully

Looks like goofy gory gruesome dark comedy fun here.

This could be the R-rated version of Guardians of the Galaxy with similar humor only darker/cruder, similar retro soundtrack and tone while Apocalypse will be like Captain America 2 in terms of tone of being a more serious minded action adventure.

What in the ass?

[Krutch]

Originally Posted by Powder

You're on a TMNT forum, they broke the fourth wall all the time! Definitely overthinking it, bud.

I knew I was going to get called out on that

I guess to me there's a difference between breaking the forth wall (ala Raphael or Zack Morris) and addressing that they're a fictional characters.

The thing with Deadpool is that even though he knows that, he still goes through everything as if it was real, still thinks for himself(the inner conversations he has, which often deal with his own existential questions) and still acts as if his existance is meaningful or important in some way. Almost as if realizing that he is the "star/hero" of the story gives him confidence that he can pull through whatever he's dealing with.

See, I like the idea... but again, once you're aware you're a fictional character, doesn't that just kind of defeat the whole point? Can he even ponder if his existence is meaningful while knowing that pondering if his existence is meaningful is only happening because a writer is writing him to think that way?

Can someone recommend me a tradeback to read? Maybe I'll see it in a new light.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by JakeSully

Looks like goofy gory gruesome dark comedy fun here.

This could be the R-rated version of Guardians of the Galaxy with similar humor only darker/cruder, similar retro soundtrack and tone while Apocalypse will be like Captain America 2 in terms of tone of being a more serious minded action adventure.

Originally Posted by Amaranthus

What in the ass?

I get it.

Originally Posted by Krutch

That's fair. I always am quick to admit probably not knowing enough about the character for a fair judgement. I guess my hangup on the character is that if he's aware he's fictional, doesn't that just kind of... y'know... take the stakes out of everything? Like, good for jokes, I guess. But as far as drama goes I feel like it's impossible once the protagonist realizes nothing is real.

In Pleasantville, for example, the characters get sucked into a fake world. Fake characters, fake universe. But they know that they're real, and everything they feel is real. That's the emotional pull. It'd be a whole different movie if Skip Martin realizes he's being played by Paul Walker in a movie starring Tobey Maguire. All emotional investment is kind of removed at that point.

If I'm to understand correctly, Deadpool is constantly aware of what medium he's in (be it comics, movies, video games) and that he himself is fictional. That everything he's seeing, doing, and feeling is completely being made by whichever artist/actor/player is controlling him. And he confirms this belief to us, the audience, when he's correct on the matter at hand.

So I'm having a really hard time wrapping my head(well, my heart, I suppose) around any drama that can come from a character who is aware that nothing about his entire existence is real. And not in an extistentialist kind of way. Like, proof positive fictional character.

Which is why I feel like this character can be great as a side character and used to great effect as comedic relief, but little else. When he's the main character I just don't see how it holds up. But again... I've never read anything, so what do I know

I'm probably just overthinking this.

Originally Posted by Powder

You're on a TMNT forum, they broke the fourth wall all the time! Definitely overthinking it, bud.

Seeeriously overthinking it.

[THGhost]

More genius marketing:

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[Autbot_Benz]

Stupid Mom does a Change.org Petition for a pg 13 deadpool alongside the R one so her 8 year old can see it. Thank goodness Petitions don't do jack ****.

https://www.change.org/p/20th-centur...to-r-rated-cut


Don't sign it

[TheSkeletonMan939]

"I can't have my 8 year old watch an R film! He can watch PG-13 though, that's fine."

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by Krutch

I knew I was going to get called out on that

I guess to me there's a difference between breaking the forth wall (ala Raphael or Zack Morris) and addressing that they're a fictional characters.



See, I like the idea... but again, once you're aware you're a fictional character, doesn't that just kind of defeat the whole point? Can he even ponder if his existence is meaningful while knowing that pondering if his existence is meaningful is only happening because a writer is writing him to think that way?

Can someone recommend me a tradeback to read? Maybe I'll see it in a new light.

See, you're finally starting to "get" it! It's part of the paradox of his character that he questions the nature of his reality, all the while knowing exactly what that reality is. He can't help himself. It's seriously driving him insane, not that he has far to go when the Weapon X program messed with his head while doing the experiments that gave him his powers. But knowing that everything around him is the product of a writer's imagination also frees him to simply do what he does without worrying about consequences. It'll all get swept under the rug anyway. He's fun BECAUSE he has no filter and no concern for the future or for what will happen to him. It makes him pretty much fearless.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Stupid Mom does a Change.org Petition for a pg 13 deadpool alongside the R one so her 8 year old can see it. Thank goodness Petitions don't do jack ****.

https://www.change.org/p/20th-centur...to-r-rated-cut


Don't sign it

In this case, thank goodness they don't. If your 8-year-old is into Deadpool, you're a bad parent.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Either that, or the kid has no idea who Deadpool really IS, and just thinks he like Spider-Man "because he's funny". And the parent is also clueless....