Official TMNT 2 Trailer Discussion - Page 65

*TrickOrTreater* · 01-13-2016, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Actually, "Batman & Robin" saved the planet. It was a last-minute sacrifice by the Illuminati to ward off the Devourer of Worlds, that Great and Fearsome Leviathan, the Elder Ch'thulu. It was either that or a thousand virgins, but then the Technodrome would have been utterly empty.

I would have rather Cthulhu destroyed the world.

R'lyeh rising. Deep One armies ravaging cities.

At least THAT would have been awesome to see.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 01-13-2016, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

I would have rather Cthulhu destroyed the world.

R'lyeh rising. Deep One armies ravaging cities.

At least THAT would have been awesome to see.

Why do you think the Turtles looked so ugly? It was tribute.

*Powder* · 01-13-2016, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

I would have rather Cthulhu destroyed the world.

R'lyeh rising. Deep One armies ravaging cities.

At least THAT would have been awesome to see.

Well, IDW's TMNT have a Lovecraft inspired story in the mini "Infestation". That's something.

sethmartin · 01-14-2016, 12:31 PM

These new turtles movies are being written, produced, and directed by older people who didn't grow up with the franchise. I can picture Bay, Liebesman, and the writers sitting around saying, "Wow, Ninja Turtles is really stupid. How do we make it awesome???" Result- TMNT 2014.

These are not the people who should be making these films. "Jurassic World", "Star Wars VII", and "Creed", were amazing films! Why? Because they were made by people who were die hard fans of the original films. They grew up with those franchises and therefore were able to deliver the same heart and soul of the originals. Why is TMNT being treated differently? And YES, "Batman and Robin" is a great example. It was a film made by people who were fans of the 60's show and not the original source material. The result- a super campy and lame adaptation.

I remember being a kid and older people at the time thinking TMNT was dumb and annoying. Now those people are making the films. Give this franchise to younger writers and directors who love the franchise and we could get a film that would be a perfect tribute.

Yes, TMNT is a far fetched, wacky and fantastic concept. However, it's no more far fetched that Star Wars, Batman, or any of the Marvel super heroes, so why isn't it treated with the same heart and compassion?

d_osborn · 01-14-2016, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sethmartin

These new turtles movies are being written, produced, and directed by older people who didn't grow up with the franchise.

While I can't speak as to if he's a huge fan, Dave Green was born in 83 and grew up in the prime of Turtlemania.

sethmartin · 01-14-2016, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by d_osborn

While I can't speak as to if he's a huge fan, Dave Green was born in 83 and grew up in the prime of Turtlemania.

True. And he has stated that he is a big fan of the franchise. Unfortunately, he has to work with a pre-established story world. Based on the trailer, it looks like he has stayed a little more faithful than Leibesman, but if he is a huge fan, it was probably frustrating for him trying to polish a turd.

DarkLightDragon · 01-14-2016, 02:40 PM

Being a fan doesn't garauntee quality writing though.

sethmartin · 01-14-2016, 02:58 PM

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Being a fan doesn't garauntee quality writing though.

It's a bigger guarantee than people who aren't fans.

DarkLightDragon · 01-14-2016, 03:27 PM

M. Night considered himself a fan of Avatar, yet ended up making a movie that makes you question if he ever watched the show.

And he's a ****** writer.

My point still stands. You could be the biggest fan of a liscensed property and it would still mean absolute jack **** if you're a bad writer.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 01-14-2016, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkLightDragon

M. Night considered himself a fan of Avatar, yet ended up making a movie that makes you question if he ever watched the show.

And he's a ****** writer.

My point still stands. You could be the biggest fan of a liscensed property and it would still mean absolute jack **** if you're a bad writer.

To quote Morgan Freeman...

He's right, you know.

HELL. Eastman and Laird are both fans--they created the characters--but they've both written some pretty terrible stuff before. (In their defense, also some pretty awesome stuff.)

DarkLightDragon · 01-14-2016, 03:43 PM

And another thing...

Having a fan be a part of a big-licensed property that-happens-to-be-getting-adapted-in-any-media, does not mean that they can just do whatever the hell they want. They still had to answer to the higher-ups or company who owns the property on what they can or can't do. Fan-director/producer proposes bringing in "character X!" or "let's do Y!" but those ideas could potentially get turned down for various reasons made by the people who merely gave them permission to this project to begin with. Basically, it's a "We're letting you in charge of this thing based off our property but we should still have a say in what's what. Kapish?" type of deal.

People seriously overestimate how much of fan *really* matters in the grand scheme of things.

d_osborn · 01-14-2016, 04:23 PM

True, Green being a fan isn't a guarantee of anything, but I like the thought of one of us being handed the reigns to directing a big-budget TMNT film. It's pretty cool!

https://youtu.be/x1q2F_18cjg

~~Commenter 42~~ · 01-14-2016, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by d_osborn

True, Green being a fan isn't a guarantee of anything, but I like the thought of one of us being handed the reigns to directing a big-budget TMNT film. It's pretty cool!

https://youtu.be/x1q2F_18cjg

And so it begins...

*THGhost* · 01-14-2016, 08:28 PM

I'm a huge fan of a lot of franchises, but there's no guarantee that I'd make a decent movie out of any of them if I decided to try. No matter what I did, fans would still find things to complain about. So no, being a fan of something doesn't always guarantee quality writing.

*The Boston Ninja Turtle* · 01-14-2016, 09:20 PM

pretty sure James Wong claimed to be a fan of Dragonball...and well yea.

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Originally Posted by d_osborn

While I can't speak as to if he's a huge fan, Dave Green was born in 83 and grew up in the prime of Turtlemania.

i grew up in the era of GI. Joe and had no interest in it...just cause the years match up doesn't mean he is automatically a fan

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Originally Posted by DarkLightDragon

Being a fan doesn't garauntee quality writing though.

this

plus director can be a fan all e wants...he isnt always the one who writes it

*TigerClaw* · 01-14-2016, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

pretty sure James Wong claimed to be a fan of Dragonball...and well yea.

i grew up in the era of GI. Joe and had no interest in it...just cause the years match up doesn't mean he is automatically a fan

this

plus director can be a fan all e wants...he isnt always the one who writes it

I was born in 73 but grew up in the era of original Star Wars movies, and 80s cartoon like Transformers and GI Joe. TMNT came into my life at around 87 when the show debut.

*The Boston Ninja Turtle* · 01-14-2016, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw

I was born in 73 but grew up in the era of original Star Wars movies, and 80s cartoon like Transformers and GI Joe. TMNT came into my life at around 87 when the show debut.

ok........

but you are a fan of those ?

my point was just because he grew up in turtle mania does not automatically make him a fan

like the example i gave

*TigerClaw* · 01-14-2016, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

ok........

but you are a fan of those ?

my point was just because he grew up in turtle mania does not automatically make him a fan

like the example i gave

Well, I'm a fan of Transformers, GI Joe and TMNT, They were part of my childhood, I like that those properties are continuing on for a new generation, so they are always reinvented even if the purists out there don't like the newer versions, it's a good thing I'm not any of those purists, because you would set yourself up for disappointment if they don't do it like you remembered.

as for Dave Green being a fan, he would be too young to experience the 87s cartoon since, he would be 4 at the time, perhaps he seen the 2003 series.

*Powder* · 01-14-2016, 09:34 PM

How the hell would he have been "too young to experience the 87 cartoon" when he was born in 1983? I was born in 1990 & even I was raised on that series. I highly doubt homeboy was watching the 4kids series in college unless he was about as die-hard as those of us here.

*TigerClaw* · 01-14-2016, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

How the hell would he have been "too young to experience the 87 cartoon" when he was born in 1983? I was born in 1990 & even I was raised on that series. I highly doubt homeboy was watching the 4kids series in college unless he was about as die-hard as those of us here.

He be 4 years old when the 87 series came out, do you think a 4 year old would have any understanding of TMNT, if they have seen it for the first time?

01-14-2016, 12:31 PM	#1284
sethmartin Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 706	These new turtles movies are being written, produced, and directed by older people who didn't grow up with the franchise. I can picture Bay, Liebesman, and the writers sitting around saying, "Wow, Ninja Turtles is really stupid. How do we make it awesome???" Result- TMNT 2014. These are not the people who should be making these films. "Jurassic World", "Star Wars VII", and "Creed", were amazing films! Why? Because they were made by people who were die hard fans of the original films. They grew up with those franchises and therefore were able to deliver the same heart and soul of the originals. Why is TMNT being treated differently? And YES, "Batman and Robin" is a great example. It was a film made by people who were fans of the 60's show and not the original source material. The result- a super campy and lame adaptation. I remember being a kid and older people at the time thinking TMNT was dumb and annoying. Now those people are making the films. Give this franchise to younger writers and directors who love the franchise and we could get a film that would be a perfect tribute. Yes, TMNT is a far fetched, wacky and fantastic concept. However, it's no more far fetched that Star Wars, Batman, or any of the Marvel super heroes, so why isn't it treated with the same heart and compassion? __________________

01-14-2016, 03:43 PM	#1291
DarkLightDragon Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,026	And another thing... Having a fan be a part of a big-licensed property that-happens-to-be-getting-adapted-in-any-media, does not mean that they can just do whatever the hell they want. They still had to answer to the higher-ups or company who owns the property on what they can or can't do. Fan-director/producer proposes bringing in "character X!" or "let's do Y!" but those ideas could potentially get turned down for various reasons made by the people who merely gave them permission to this project to begin with. Basically, it's a "We're letting you in charge of this thing based off our property but we should still have a say in what's what. Kapish?" type of deal. People seriously overestimate how much of fan really matters in the grand scheme of things. Last edited by DarkLightDragon; 01-14-2016 at 04:25 PM.

01-14-2016, 08:28 PM	#1294
THGhost Puppet Master Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: UK Posts: 2,825	I'm a huge fan of a lot of franchises, but there's no guarantee that I'd make a decent movie out of any of them if I decided to try. No matter what I did, fans would still find things to complain about. So no, being a fan of something doesn't always guarantee quality writing. __________________ - - - 1990 > OotS > TMNT 2014 > Turtles Forever > TMNT III > SotO > TMNT 2007 "Can't we all just get along?" - pennydreadful "...bitchy people are what make fan forums insufferable when they don't need to be." - B-Man "Act like freakin' adults for goodness sake." - Jester "Tough guys with tiny voices." - Commenter 42

01-14-2016, 02:40 PM	#1287
DarkLightDragon Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,026	Being a fan doesn't garauntee quality writing though.

01-14-2016, 03:27 PM	#1289
DarkLightDragon Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,026	M. Night considered himself a fan of Avatar, yet ended up making a movie that makes you question if he ever watched the show. And he's a **** writer. My point still stands. You could be the biggest fan of a liscensed property and it would still mean absolute jack ** if you're a bad writer.

01-14-2016, 04:23 PM	#1292
d_osborn Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,426	True, Green being a fan isn't a guarantee of anything, but I like the thought of one of us being handed the reigns to directing a big-budget TMNT film. It's pretty cool! https://youtu.be/x1q2F_18cjg

01-14-2016, 09:34 PM	#1299
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,956	How the hell would he have been "too young to experience the 87 cartoon" when he was born in 1983? I was born in 1990 & even I was raised on that series. I highly doubt homeboy was watching the 4kids series in college unless he was about as die-hard as those of us here.