Official TMNT 2 Trailer Discussion

[Powder]

I sure as hell did. So, yeah. 4 year olds were the freaking target demographic. It's not exactly Shakespeare, ya know...

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by Powder

I sure as hell did. So, yeah. 4 year olds were the freaking target demographic. It's not exactly Shakespeare, ya know...

4 years old would be too young to understand the story, but they will remember the visuals.

If David Green claims to be a fan, perhaps TMNT 2 will be the one movie that fans of the 87 cartoons always wanted.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

4 years old would be too young to understand the story, but they will remember the visuals.

If David Green claims to be a fan, perhaps TMNT 2 will be the one movie that fans of the 87 cartoons always wanted.

your absolutions continue to astound me tiger


for the record i remember a thing or two from 4 year old life..sure not as much now do to new memories and life but i could still recall stuff i saw on tv

[Powder]

Maybe you had comprehension issues as a 4 year old, Tigerclaw, but I personally was already reading their comic & story books, as were my peers. I had zero problem following the series narrative whether it be in animation or on paper. I'm sure there were things that went over my head, but it's not as if I was merely enamored by colorful images.

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

4 years old would be too young to understand the story, but they will remember the visuals.

If David Green claims to be a fan, perhaps TMNT 2 will be the one movie that fans of the 87 cartoons always wanted.

there wasn't much story with the FW turtles it was super basic even a 4 year old could understand. it was your generic good guys foil bad guys plot what is there not to understand

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

there wasn't much story with the FW turtles it was super basic even a 4 year old could understand. it was your generic good guys foil bad guys plot what is there not to understand

Unless they had a learning disability.

[IndigoErth]

Even if he was only four at the start, it did last ten seasons with plenty of repeats, either way a person could eventually catch up on what they missed or didn't remember from when they were younger. And now... well, it's not hard to have a refresher prior to jumping into production.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Even if he was only four at the start, it did last ten seasons with plenty of repeats, either way a person could eventually catch up on what they missed or didn't remember from when they were younger. And now... well, it's not hard to have a refresher prior to jumping into production.

Yeah, You can always go back to the shows when you have a better understanding what happened on them.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Unless they had a learning disability.

i was going to write something but whatever i quit



point stands just cause someone grows up with whatever franchise around does not mean the are automatically fans

[Powder]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Unless they had a learning disability.

Sorry to hear if that was your experience coming up as a seedling, but it's not what the majority goes through.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Dude, I need that shirt in my life and on my body RIGHT NOW.

That on the front, "Technodrome Illuminati" logos on the back. I'm making a pitch here.

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

pretty sure James Wong claimed to be a fan of Dragonball...and well yea.

[non-stop internal screaming]

...aah, sorry, just had a flashback to seeing Dragon Ball: Evolution for the first time. Actually, that was only six months ago.

As I called it at the time, it's the BayTurtles of Dragon Ball! The characters and concepts are technically there, but everything is all wrong!

Originally Posted by Powder

How the hell would he have been "too young to experience the 87 cartoon" when he was born in 1983?

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

He be 4 years old when the 87 series came out, do you think a 4 year old would have any understanding of TMNT, if they have seen it for the first time?

Oy, brother.

I was born in 1983, and the FW cartoon was absolutely my introduction to the TMNT. Like a lot of people my age. And I was able to follow and enjoy that show perfectly well even then. And it's not like the show only existed in 1987, either -- it ran and re-ran a lot over the following years.

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

4 years old would be too young to understand the story, but they will remember the visuals.

If David Green claims to be a fan, perhaps TMNT 2 will be the one movie that fans of the 87 cartoons always wanted.

What exactly was the grand "story" behind the FW show? You had a bunch of broad character archetypes and some memorable (but thiny-developed) villains, and they fought once a week over some easily-foiled generic evil scheme. It was entertaining, but there wasn't much to it.

Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of nostalgia for the show, and it had a charming self-awareness about itself, but it was far from deep storytelling. Nothing in its stories or characterizations could support a single plot for more than 22 minutes. By that nature it's a very poor choice for a movie adaptation.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Powder

Maybe you had comprehension issues as a 4 year old, Tigerclaw, but I personally was already reading their comic & story books, as were my peers. I had zero problem following the series narrative whether it be in animation or on paper. I'm sure there were things that went over my head, but it's not as if I was merely enamored by colorful images.

Yup. Those Disney storybook-and-audio tape sets, plus comic books, were how I learned to read by the time I was 4. And I watched He-Man and other Filmation shows, among others, religiously enough to have retained a good chunk of the stories, not just the visuals. Hell, when the Filmation DVD sets came out way back in the day and I did a marathon run with my wife - who was seeing most of them for the first or at most second time - I kept flipping out at various scenes or even entire episodes, most of which I hadn't seen since I was 5, like "Holy sh*t, I remember this!"

Kids retain more than people give them credit for, some anyway. I think a lot of it has to do with rate of exposure, among other things. But I personally watched enough of those cartoons to have encyclopedic knowledge of some of them years later, because I was 4, what else was I gonna do with infinite free time but watch the same cartoons a hundred times?

In any case, it's not at all uncommon for kids as young as 3 to be lucid, coherent, and have good retentive and recall memory. Not everybody but a lot of 'em. The important stuff sticks.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Well, I'm a fan of Transformers, GI Joe and TMNT, They were part of my childhood, I like that those properties are continuing on for a new generation, so they are always reinvented even if the purists out there don't like the newer versions, it's a good thing I'm not any of those purists, because you would set yourself up for disappointment if they don't do it like you remembered.

as for Dave Green being a fan, he would be too young to experience the 87s cartoon since, he would be 4 at the time, perhaps he seen the 2003 series.

Not true. I was born in 1987, the same year as the cartoon, and as a 3 year old in the 90s, I was still able to comprehend what was going on.

[sethmartin]

People misunderstood what I said. I didn't mean that just any ol' fan could write and direct a good movie. I meant that the professional writers and directors that they hire to do these films MUST be fans of the franchise or else the films have no chance of possessing the true spirit.

[Xav]

I don't think that's necessary true. I think we just need someone who is willing to do research on the subject they are adapting.

[Zak The Neutrino]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

He be 4 years old when the 87 series came out, do you think a 4 year old would have any understanding of TMNT, if they have seen it for the first time?

Actually I was born in 83 and very good memories of the cartoon and going to TRU and buying my first few TMNT toys.

[shuriken]

Originally Posted by sethmartin

the professional writers and directors that they hire to do these films MUST be fans of the franchise or else the films have no chance of possessing the true spirit.

Was Steve Barron a fan?
Burtan a fan of Batman, Nolan for that matter?
Donner a fan of Superman?
Your argument is whack dude.
You don't have to be a fan to "Get It"
Like it helps but isn't necessary.

[Commenter 42]

So, a ton of my posts were deleted, again?

Interesting.

[slingtheory]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

He be 4 years old when the 87 series came out, do you think a 4 year old would have any understanding of TMNT, if they have seen it for the first time?

Dude I was born in 86 and I lived and breathed the original toon. What are you talking about.

Originally Posted by sethmartin

People misunderstood what I said. I didn't mean that just any ol' fan could write and direct a good movie. I meant that the professional writers and directors that they hire to do these films MUST be fans of the franchise or else the films have no chance of possessing the true spirit.

not necessarily. I don't think you need to be have had been a fan but you do need to have some kind of under standing of the source material and respect for its spirit. Look what Steve Barron did with the original film. He wasn't a hard core mirage fan before he got the job he just saw the merit in the work. The problem with adaptations like this and dragonball evolution as I see it are these aren't made with passion and understanding. They're cynical cash grabs made by committees of people who don't bother to try to understand the appeal and translate it to another medium. They just look at other things that worked in other movies sprinkle in some half baked crap you'll recognize and call it a day. And people keep giving them money for it because hey it looks like a fun time at the movies.

[beeshaw]

Oh Tigerclaw... That's a big ol' can of worms.

BTW, the little dude in my sig/avatar wasn't even 4 years old when those pics were taken. He's grown up on the Nick toon - been watching it from the beginning, and he's VERY aware and cognizant at the 'intricacies' of the plot of a cartoon. You really should give kids a little more credit. Their minds are SPONGES.